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Title: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: chrisscales on Tuesday 01 November 16 08:55 GMT (UK)
Is anybody able to decide if these photos are of the same man or not?

Both are photographed with my Great Grandad F.G.M. Scales in 1937, but I'm not sure if they are the same person since one photo is in profile... all opinions welcome!

Thanks



Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 01 November 16 14:29 GMT (UK)
In my view yes.
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: Ruskie on Tuesday 01 November 16 15:03 GMT (UK)
Man in bottom photo has a much longer chin however that may be due to the angle the photo was taken. My first thought was that they are two different men but the more I look at it the more similarities I see.

Same hat anyway.  ;)
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 01 November 16 16:38 GMT (UK)
It's a yes from me too.
Carol
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: ScouseBoy on Tuesday 01 November 16 16:49 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Ruskie on Tuesday 01 November 16 15:03 GMT (UK)
Man in bottom photo has a much longer chin however that may be due to the angle the photo was taken. My first thought was that they are two different men but the more I look at it the more similarities I see.

Same hat anyway.  ;)
    The hats have a different pattern on them.
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: Trishanne on Tuesday 01 November 16 17:00 GMT (UK)
At first I thought yes, but looking at them again I'm  not sure. I think the first man appears to have a much sharper, thinner nose. As Ruskie says the chins appear to be different and I think the ears are too.
Pat
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: ScouseBoy on Tuesday 01 November 16 17:05 GMT (UK)
The Eyebrows   also look different
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Tuesday 01 November 16 18:01 GMT (UK)
A very definite yes from me. Nose, eyebrows, chin, all look the same to me.
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: stevew101 on Tuesday 01 November 16 19:39 GMT (UK)
And a yes from me .... Steve
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: sami on Tuesday 01 November 16 19:41 GMT (UK)
......add me to the Yes side.

sami
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Tuesday 01 November 16 19:53 GMT (UK)
I would agree, yes

Cas
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: Trishanne on Tuesday 01 November 16 20:13 GMT (UK)
See  my post #5, I nearly added, but I'm always wrong with these comparison photos... It looks like I'm wrong  again ;D ;D ;D ;D
Pat
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: Ruskie on Tuesday 01 November 16 23:30 GMT (UK)
Quote from: ScouseBoy on Tuesday 01 November 16 16:49 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Ruskie on Tuesday 01 November 16 15:03 GMT (UK)
Man in bottom photo has a much longer chin however that may be due to the angle the photo was taken. My first thought was that they are two different men but the more I look at it the more similarities I see.

Same hat anyway.  ;)
    The hats have a different pattern on them.

It was a joke SB.

That chin still bothers me a bit. The man in pic 2 has a bit of a Jimmy Hill look about him whereas in the top photo the chin is quite small though the distance between bottom lip and the line above the chin is a long on both men. Eyes and eyebrows could be the same, ears may be, hat definitely the same (style), nose could be the same. Might the nose in the first photo be broken? Lines at side of mouth very similar.



Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: chrisscales on Wednesday 02 November 16 07:44 GMT (UK)
Thanks everybody for your help, much appreciated. I was erring on the side of yes too, but needed some verification. In case anyone is interested, the reason I am trying to establish if it's the same man is because:

My GG Scales worked as a Wheelwright at a motor and coaching company called Wiggs up to the 1930s, but then moved to the Bermondsey Borough Council Wheelwrights' Shop. I thought he moved there in 1941, but I found a photo of the council department (attached) from 1937 which shows he was there sooner.

Another photo we have of him - the only one my side of the family had - shows him and another man putting up wooden bleachers i.e. crowd seating on scaffolding in a park, which I have put on rootschat previously here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=705871

I believe they may be pictured erecting bleachers for the crowds to watch the coronation of King George VI, so the fact that the other man is his colleague from Bermondsey Borough Council strengthens that since it would indicate that the people drafted in to erect the bleachers were from government departments, which is more likely than using private contractors. (The men on the team making the bleachers may also include colleagues from the Carpenters shop of Bermondsey Borough as well since the two departments were closely linked, having previously been one department, and both obviously working with wood. There is a photo of the carpenters shop at the council too though it's too hard to see the men to compare faces).

My GG Scales died in 1946, and my grandad in the 1980s, so no-one is alive who would know what the picture shows, hence the difficulty. For anyone with Ancestry who is interested in the delightful Wheelwrights of Peckham and Bermondsey, the details I know are here: http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/28735129/person/12574831869/facts

Thanks again
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 02 November 16 07:58 GMT (UK)
Fabulous photo of the wheelwright's shop - and he's even wearing the same hat!
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 02 November 16 08:04 GMT (UK)
Quote from: chrisscales on Wednesday 02 November 16 07:44 GMT (UK)
:

Another photo we have of him - the only one my side of the family had - shows him and another man putting up wooden bleachers i.e. crowd seating on scaffolding in a park, which I have put on rootschat previously here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=705871



????   But that's the same photo as in post 1.  If you know that is him, I don't now understand the question.
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: chrisscales on Wednesday 02 November 16 08:31 GMT (UK)
The man in the hat is not my great grandad. In the Wheelwrights shop photo GG Scales is sitting on the far back left, and in the bleachers picture he is the man on the right. So if the other guy (above) is the same in both photos, it means both depict Bermondsey Borough co-workers.
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: Churchie on Wednesday 02 November 16 09:04 GMT (UK)
I'm in the yes camp.
Broken nose, same in both photos, and the unusual shape of the ears, plus the same downward sloping eyebrows.
The chin looks different from the front, but it may be the angle or how he is holding his head.

Caroline.
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: ScouseBoy on Wednesday 02 November 16 09:07 GMT (UK)
Quote from: chrisscales on Wednesday 02 November 16 08:31 GMT (UK)
The man in the hat is not my great grandad. In the Wheelwrights shop photo GG Scales is sitting on the far back left, and in the bleachers picture he is the man on the right. So if the other guy (above) is the same in both photos, it means both depict Bermondsey Borough co-workers.

Are they brothers?
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 02 November 16 09:34 GMT (UK)
Quote from: chrisscales on Wednesday 02 November 16 08:31 GMT (UK)
The man in the hat is not my great grandad. In the Wheelwrights shop photo GG Scales is sitting on the far back left, and in the bleachers picture he is the man on the right. So if the other guy (above) is the same in both photos, it means both depict Bermondsey Borough co-workers.

Ah, OK. I'm not confused any more.
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 02 November 16 11:15 GMT (UK)


and a yes from me as well

Sandra
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: chrisscales on Wednesday 02 November 16 12:02 GMT (UK)
Quote from: ScouseBoy on Wednesday 02 November 16 09:07 GMT (UK)
Are they brothers?
No they're not brothers. He only had one sibling, a sister.
Title: Re: Are these photos the same man? Great Grandad Scales (Bermondsey)
Post by: Whipby on Monday 07 November 16 09:03 GMT (UK)
I'm really sorry to go against the grain, but I don't think they're the same man.  The man in the front facing photo looks as though he has an underbite and heavy jawline, whereas the man in profile doesn't.