RootsChat.Com

England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Essex => England => Essex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: liverbird50 on Sunday 30 October 16 13:06 GMT (UK)

Title: John Howard, Rector of Beauchamp Roding 1911
Post by: liverbird50 on Sunday 30 October 16 13:06 GMT (UK)
One of my ancestors was Rector of Beauchamp Roding, where he lived at the Rectory (1911 census) and where he died in 1928.
He had one son, John, born 1877 Battersea (registered Wandsworth) and one daughter, Frances Augusta Howard born 1878. Frances Augusta did not marry, she died in 1933.
I have John Howard (junior born 1877) living at the Rectory in Beauchamp Roding aged 24 years, in the 1901 Census. After that I can find no trace of him. Would like to know if he married and had children. He and his unmarried sister Frances Augusta are mentioned in the Will of their father, so still alive after their father died in 1928. John (Junior) Howard is styled as "Gentleman" in his father's Will.
If anyone can throw any light on what happened to John Howard (Junior) I would be very grateful.

Thank you so much for taking the time to read this post.
Regards
Liverbird50
Title: Re: John Howard, Rector of Beauchamp Roding 1911
Post by: MaureeninNY on Sunday 30 October 16 13:38 GMT (UK)
 :)
Very sorry but I don't think that "your" Frances was the person who died in 1933.

This seems to be the correct one:
Frances Augusta Howard d 5 Aug 1951 Essex probate granted 16 Oct. 1951

Which doesn't help with John. :)

Maureen
   
   
Title: Re: John Howard, Rector of Beauchamp Roding 1911
Post by: nanny jan on Sunday 30 October 16 13:47 GMT (UK)
:)
Very sorry but I don't think that "your" Frances was the person who died in 1933.

This seems to be the correct one:
Frances Augusta Howard d 5 Aug 1951 Essex probate granted 16 Oct. 1951


Which doesn't help with John. :)

Maureen

It might if he or his children are mentioned in her Will.   ;)
Title: Re: John Howard, Rector of Beauchamp Roding 1911
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 30 October 16 13:47 GMT (UK)
The 1939 National Register has:

Frances A Howard, b 1878, living at Dunmow Rural District, Essex
and in the same household:
John Howard, b 1876
Title: Re: John Howard, Rector of Beauchamp Roding 1911
Post by: JenB on Sunday 30 October 16 13:55 GMT (UK)
Newspaper reports of the death of The Reverend John Howard in 1928 state that he '.....leaves a son and daughter....', so John the younger still alive in 1928.

Edit: sorry, I see you've already mentioned this fact  :-[
Title: Re: John Howard, Rector of Beauchamp Roding 1911
Post by: liverbird50 on Sunday 30 October 16 14:25 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much, as always, for the speedy and very helpful information. I am sure that the death of Frances Augusta Howard would indeed be much more likely in 1951 in Essex and I have therefore amended my family tree accordingly. That makes much more sense, so I am very grateful. Also very grateful for the information that Frances Augusta and John Howard were living together at an address in Dunmow in 1939, I think I can assume from that that John was not married or with children.

I think, with all your help, I am now able to draw a line under that particular branch of the Howard family.

My very grateful thanks. Rootschat is the best.
Title: Re: John Howard, Rector of Beauchamp Roding 1911
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 30 October 16 14:55 GMT (UK)
There is a probate record for John Howard (Jnr) in 1954, giving same address from Frances Augusta's probate record.

John HOWARD  of the Laurels White Roding Essexdied 9 February 1953 at 42 The Plain, Epping Essex. Administration London 27th January 1954 to David Edgar Thomas Cross, post office employee and Edgar Seymour Cross, electrical engineer.
Title: Re: John Howard, Rector of Beauchamp Roding 1911
Post by: liverbird50 on Sunday 30 October 16 15:44 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much Claire. I have checked and 42 The Plain, Epping was, and is, a hospital, primary I think for the elderly. That is where John Howard and his sister ended their days, having lived together in Beauchamp roding in the 1939 National Register, just a very short distance from where they lived when their father was Rector, at St. Botolphs church, Beauchamp roding.

As I said Rootschat is the very best website I have ever come across thanks to the knowledgeable and helpful researchers. I have now been able to complete that line of the family tree. It is very satisfying to search from cradle to grave and get an over view of ancestors' lives.

I am extremely grateful for all your help.
Title: Re: John Howard, Rector of Beauchamp Roding 1911
Post by: liverbird50 on Sunday 30 October 16 15:56 GMT (UK)
Just a post script to Clare, who kindly found details of the probate and will of John Howard (Jnr) who died in 1953. The two people mentioned in the Will, i.e. David Edgar Thomas Cross and Edgar Seymour Cross were John Howard's second cousins, more proof if any were needed. The Cross brothers' mother was Ann Howard, youngest sister of John Howard (Senior).
Liverbird50.
Best wishes to all.