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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: tangwa on Sunday 30 October 16 01:02 GMT (UK)
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Hello Rootschatters,
Hoping someone may be able to locate a tombstone or info relating to Mitchell Patison who was buried at St Cuthberts, name may be, Mitchell Pattison, S.S.C, died 1847 January 9.
Some background information I already have that may assist or help others;
Mitchell Patison Born 11/12/1796 Edinburgh S/O John Patison and Maisy Brown,
Married 1. Mary Bryce on Aug 1. 1920, Only issue known John Mitchell Patison Born C1830 - died 1876, Mary died Dec 9 1835. (Marriage Mitchell Pattison to Mary Bryce, with banns called in Edinburgh and St Cuthberts parishes on 21 Jul 1820 and 1 Aug 1820, respectively.)
Married 2. Helen Wilson Born 1807 (Bunkle & Preston, Berwickshire) D/O George Wilson and Helen Mitchell Berkshire (Berwickshire?) Scotland. Marriage for them occurred on 1 Jun 1837 in Edinburgh parish, Edinburgh. Helen died Victoria c 1857, Children Helen, George, David and Mary.
1. Helen Born C1838 Dalkeith Died 11-6-1855 aged 17 years aboard the Tay off the coast of South Africa, On the death certificate she is the D/O Mitchell Patison and Mother unknown. interesting given her mother Helen Patison was also onboard the Tay. Baptisim record is for Ellen Mitchell Patison, daughter of Mitschell Patison and Eleanora Mitchell Wilson being
baptised on 25 Mar 1838 at St Cuthberts parish, Edinburgh.
2. George is Baptised Jul 3 1839, St Cuthberts Edinburgh, Mothers full name is recorded at Eleanora Mitchell Patison. George marries Elizabeth McGuiness, dies Victoria 1898.
3. David Wilson Patison is Baptised 19 Nov 1840 at St Cuthberts Edinburgh, marries Euphemia McGillivray 23 Oct 1873 in Peterborough VIC and Dies 1912 in Drouin VIC
4. Mary Brown is Baptised Jul 5 1843 at St Cuthberts, Marries James Mitchell Aug 22 1867 in Woodford Vic, and dies 1901 in Warracknabeal Vic.
1841 census also has:
Name: Mitchell Patison
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Midlothian, Scotland
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: Vine Park
Occupation: Solicitor S C
Parish Number: 685/2
Household Members:
Name Age
Mitchell Patison 40
Ellenora Patison 30
John Patison 11
George Patison 1
Jane Torrance 15
Mary Conway 15
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Daniel Murray 35
Ann Murray 30
Alexander Gifford 50
Catherine Gifford 45
Adam Gifford 15
Catherine Gifford 14
Jane Dickson 20
Thanks everyone in advance :-)
Tanya in Australia
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Hi Tanya,
Not had time to read all written but from what you have posted (a typo below) - should be 1820?...
"Mitchell Patison Born 11/12/1796 Edinburgh S/O John Patison and Maisy Brown,
Married 1. Mary Bryce on Aug 1. 1920"
"1. Helen Born C1838 Dalkeith Died 11-6-1855 aged 17 years aboard the Tay off the coast of South Africa, On the death certificate she is the D/O Mitchell Patison and Mother unknown."
The info. on any death cert. is from the 'Informant' i.e. may not have known the correct details.
Annie
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Info. here of children to wife Helen/Eleanora (variants);
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01irm/
Annie
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Worth a browse;
http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/cemetery.php?cemetery=517
Annie
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Possible relation (unique forename which is actually a surname in itself with same surname as a middle name)?
Mitchell Pattison Alexander (parents William Alexander & Margaret Dalgleish)
B 25 Feb 1825 (St. Cuthbert's, Edinburgh)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQCZ-XBD
Annie
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1841 census also has:
Name: Mitchell Patison
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Midlothian, Scotland
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: Vine Park
Occupation: Solicitor S C
Parish Number: 685/2
Household Members:
Name Age
Mitchell Patison 40
Ellenora Patison 30
John Patison 11
George Patison 1
Jane Torrance 15
Mary Conway 15
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Daniel Murray 35
Ann Murray 30
Alexander Gifford 50
Catherine Gifford 45
Adam Gifford 15
Catherine Gifford 14
Jane Dickson 20
This looks like one of the census transcriptions, and it looks to me as if it includes more than one household. There's a much more accurate transcription at http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl which does not include the Gifford family in the Patison household, but which (unlike the transcription you have quoted) does include all the information in the original document.
You need to take a look at the original census at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk to make sure that the transcriptions are accurate.
Note that in 1841 adults' ages were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years, and that the original census never lists a year of birth. The 1841 census was taken on the night of 6/7 June. Assuming his listed age is accurate, he was born between 7 June 1796 and 6 June 1801.
Calculating someone's year of birth by subtracting their age from the year of the UK census produces a wrong answer at least three times out of four, and in 1841 it produces the wrong answer nine times out of ten because of the rounding down of ages.
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Thanks Annie,
Just double checking a couple of things, I'm prone to typo's - especially with a 2 year old running around :-)
Yes date of first marriage should be 1820, and I copied the census info from an old email sent to me, your additional info here has me wondering if I have the right family as my direct ancestor David Wilson Patison was born 19 Nov 1840 (as per family search) but he is not present on the 1841 census and neither is his older sister Helen / Ellen.
I have just checked David's death cert. it notes the following:
Died 18 March 1912, Farmer, Male 70 yrs (which makes birth year c 1842), Cause of death was Cerebral Haemorrhage / Coma 2 1/2 years, Father Mitchell Patison, Lawyer, Helen Patison formerly Wilson, born Edinburgh Scotland and 58 years .Victoria (making immigration c 1584), Married Euphemia McGillivray at Port Campbell VIC 30 years.
David and Euphemias Marriage cert states (23rd of October 1873):
David Wilson Patison, Bachelor of Edinburgh, Edinburghshire, Farmer, aged 31 (also makes birth year c 1842), living Cororrock, son of Mitchell Patison Barrister and Helen Wilson to Euphemia McGillivray, Spinster, born Melbourne, living with parents at Peterborough, Daughter of Archibald McGillivray, Farmer and Jessie McDonald.
All other info I have for Mitchell comes from other shared trees, hmm, I'm stuck.
Thank you also for posting the gravestone pictures, no luck yet, but I'll take a closer look soon.
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Hi
Did a speculative search for the name Mitchell Pattison in the newspaper archive and found this:
Caledonian Mercury 7 Dec 1826
Notice to the creditors of Mr Mitchell Pattison SSC
Mr Pattison having executed a Trust Deed in favour of Mr Thomas Scott ,accountant in Edinburgh, all those having claims against his estate are requested to lodge the same and oaths of verity thereon, with his trustee without delay. 94 George Street 2 Dec1826.
The same notice appears in The Scotsman 9 Dec 1826.
It would also be worth doing a search for Mitchell Patison. This produced 64 "hits".This one caught my eye
Perthshire Courier 17 Dec 1840
Death " At Merchiston on the 1st instant, Mary Brown,eldest daughter of Mitchell Patison Esq".
William
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Also adding this as background for you Tanya that you may not already have http://bonesspottery.co.uk/cuj.html
Monica
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I don't think there may be a remaining stone for him unfortunately.
Have a look at www.st-cuthberts.net/famhist.php#graves Also, as indicated on that link from St Cuthbert's, the place to check online is the online version of "Monumental Inscriptions in St Cuthbert's Churchyard Edinburgh"
See waeve.co.uk/genealogy/sourcefiles/St.Cuthbert's_Cemetry.pdf Big document, search and find comes in handy ::) I couldn't easily see a reference for him though but you may find something. Just copy and paste the bold URL to your browser and it will bring up the pdf document.
Whilst there may not be a remaining stone, you could find details on his burial by having someone check the burial register at this time. This would need to be done in person, not something that is available online. See www.ewht.org.uk/uploads/.../St%20Cuthberts%20documentary%20survey.pdf Page 4 and the section 5.2. Burial records and other information on interments is helpful.
Monica
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Yes date of first marriage should be 1820, and I copied the census info from an old email sent to me, your additional info here has me wondering if I have the right family as my direct ancestor David Wilson Patison was born 19 Nov 1840 (as per family search) but he is not present on the 1841 census and neither is his older sister Helen / Ellen.
The 1841 census was taken on 6 June that year. Given David's christening date, likely he was born just after this day that year.
Monica
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Just adding 1851 census details (sure you have this but just to complete further details):
Helen M Patison 43 Lodging Keeper b. Edrom, Berwick
John M Patison 21
Helen M Patison 13
David W Patison9
Mary B Patison 7
Address: Market Street 3, Edinburgh
I think son George at this time is showing as a pupil (boarding?) in a school in Edinburgh (John Watsons Institution).
There are quite a few lodgers showing on the family listing for 1851 together with some servants. Likely this is how Helen was able to maintain the family at the time following the death of Mitchell, husband.
Guessing the family left for Australia around 1855 with the death of young Helen that you have mentioned?
Monica
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Married 1. Mary Bryce on Aug 1. 1920, Only issue known John Mitchell Patison Born C1830 - died 1876, Mary died Dec 9 1835. (Marriage Mitchell Pattison to Mary Bryce, with banns called in Edinburgh and St Cuthberts parishes on 21 Jul 1820 and 1 Aug 1820, respectively.)
Mary Bryce showing at the time of her marriage, in George Street, as the only daughter of Mr John Bryce, Carluke
www.rootschat.com/links/01irr/
Maybe this birth entry for her https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTLZ-XTL
Monica
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Just adding 1851 census details (sure you have this but just to complete further details):
Helen M Patison 43 Lodging Keeper b. Edrom, Berwick
John M Patison 21
Helen M Patison 13
David W Patison 9
Mary B Patison 7
Address: Market Street 3, Edinburgh
I think son George at this time is showing as a pupil (boarding?) in a school in Edinburgh (John Watsons Institution).
There are quite a few lodgers showing on the family listing for 1851 together with some servants. Likely this is how Helen was able to maintain the family at the time following the death of Mitchell, husband.
Guessing the family left for Australia around 1855 with the death of young Helen that you have mentioned?
Monica
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The 1841 census was taken on 6 June that year. Given David's christening date, likely he was born just after this day that year.
According to FamilySearch, he was born on 19 November 1840, and there is a similar listing in the index on SP though it doesn't specify whether 19 November 1840 is a birth or a baptism date.
So David was at least 6 months old on census day, 6/7 June 1841, so he ought to have been listed somewhere.
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For what it may be worth, Mitchell Patison was admitted to membership of the SSC Society in 1819, but never rose to become an office-bearer of the Society before his difficulties emerged.
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Wow, thanks so much everyone,
as I'm back at work this week I will take some time on the weekend to have a look at the links posted.
I really appreciate everyone's help with this, I think we are on the right track, I'm going to try and find out more about Mitchell's death, it will be very interesting to try and find out his cause of death.
I'm also really fascinated by the pottery - that's incredible!
Thanks again everyone - I will post again once I have checked some of the details provided :-)
Happy Wednesday!
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I'm going to try and find out more about Mitchell's death, it will be very interesting to try and find out his cause of death.
SP has a death of Mitchell Pattison, aged 49, on 9 January 1847. Have you looked at that? The pre-1855 deaths in my tree in Edinburgh (though there are not very many of them) do generally state a cause of death.
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Go to the <a href="http://catalogue.nrscotland.gov.uk/nrsonlinecatalogue/search.aspx">search page</a> of the National Records of Scotland and enter Mitchell Patison in the search box and you will get 11 records relating to him in one way or the other and then enter his name using the spelling Mitchell Pattison and you will get one further record ...
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Thank-you everyone for posting, I'm very intrigued by these files, and the references to his inefficiencies, difficulties and troubles mentioned in some other posts here, it appears I have a lot more research to undertake so I am able to understand what happened.
Thank you for everyone's interest, this just gets more and more interesting!!