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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Beck18 on Saturday 29 October 16 07:56 BST (UK)
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Hi I'm on a mission to find out information on my grandfather "Clyde Harry Cooke" his mothers name is Lilias May Freebody (formerly) and his fathers name John Arthur Cooke son of John Arthur Cooke who died in a mining accident in eaglehawk Bendigo (formerly) Sandhurst! I do know a little about Clyde but not much! He served in the RAAF in 1943-1946 if anyone has any information at all you would be helping greatly😊
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John Arthur COOKE died in a mining accident in 1896.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article9170361
Is this your grandfather's death
COOKE Clyde Harold
Death notice 20 Mar 1987
Late of Alexandria
Published in the Sydney Morning Herald21 Mar 1987
Australian Electoral Roll
1980
COOKE Clyde Harry 206/23 Pyrmont Bridge Road, Camperdown No occupation.
Cando
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He enlisted three times with three different dates of birth from 1920 to 1925. He was in the army first.
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=594663
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=594663
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=R&veteranId=984054
His file has been digitised on NAA and his wife appears to be Doreen according to a letter in the file written after Clyde's death.
Cando
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Did he live in South Australia and Victoria?
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206809579
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article130268161
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article127043536
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article212921603
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article45783805
Cando
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Marriage of parents
COOK John Arthur
FREEBODY Lilias May
1917 Reg# 462
Birth of a sibling
COOK Lillias May
Father John Arthur /Mother Lillias May FREEBODY
At Williamstown 1918 Reg#15755
Cando
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Yes cando I do believe he had 3 enlistments and yes he did live in south Australia and Victoria he was born in Victoria
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I do know a little about Clyde but not much!
It might save unnecessary searching if you tell us what you do know.
Did he marry and divorce a Radcliffe in Victoria, having one child? Names of those who may be living cannot be mentioned on Rootschat, hence no christian names here.
Do you have his death certificate?
Jamjar
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Is this your grandfather's death
COOKE Clyde Harold
Death notice 20 Mar 1987
Late of Alexandria
Published in the Sydney Morning Herald21 Mar 1987
Cando
Above Death notice is in the name "COOKE (COLLINS) Clyde Harold", no wife mentioned but has names of children and grandchildren.
Funeral notice Rookwood Crematorium
PM sent with death and funeral notice
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Hi JamJar he did marry a Noelyne Radcliffe in 1946! Not one of these names mentioned are with us today! But information that has been discussed is all I do know! No I don't have his death certificate as next year in March will be 30 years of death and that's when I can purchase it.
Beck
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if anyone has any information at all you would be helping greatly😊
information that has been discussed is all I do know
If you have all the information posted then it would have been helpful if you had posted ALL you knew about Clyde in your first post.
I don't know what else you expect to find. He only enrolled to vote once and that was in 1980.
The news item about an airman Clyde Henry COOKE in court in SA is obviously him. No man of that name has a service record.
He had various occupations as driver, fruiterer and photographer. The marriage didn't last very long. Surely you must have some information about him from your family.
Cando
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Clyde left when my father was 18 mths old! My grandmother never spoke about him, so this is why we only know so little about him! So the information that is known is some of what has been discussed,and some of the information given on here I never knew existed so everyone so far that has supplied info has been a fantastic help and I'm very greatful of your time and help thankyou!
Can anyone tell please how I would find clyde's and my grandmothers marriage certificate they were married in 1952 in Adelaide, grandmothers name is "Hope Marie (Macklin) formerly!
Beck
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Hi Beck,
When he first enlisted in 1941 it was with the AIF (VX53546) which was the Army volunteer force for overseas service and the age minimum had been reduced from 20 to 19 in 1941 and it looks like that Clyde had dropped his age by a few years to enlist in the AIF but the authorities got onto that quickly hence his discharge in June 41.
It wasn't uncommon for younger brothers to lie about their age so that they could follow an older brother into the AIF, I don't know if this was the case with Clyde.
The 9th April 1925 birth date probably is the correct one because the RAAF minimum, age for enlistment was 18.
Gerry
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Thankyou Gerry I knew he enlisted 3 times but never knew much more than he got into RAAF! So Thankyou for researching and for the information.
Beck
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If you get his AIF and Militia documents from the Australian Archives this might shed more light on things, these have not been digitised as yet only his RAAF papers have,
Gerry
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Back again,
Just opened up Clyde's RAAF record and on the PERSONAL RECORD OF SERVICE page in box 15, previous service it has AIF U/AGE.
Gerry
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Thanks heaps Gerry this getting interesting!
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Who is Doreen who wrote a letter regarding her late husband's medals? Perhaps the letter is in the incorrect file.... No E on COOKE. However the reply gives the name of the serviceman as your grandfather.
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=5355921&S=5&T=P
Haven't you read the digitised file on NAA
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx
I feel we are being drip fed information. Makes research very tedious :(
Marriage certificates are restricted for 60 years in South Australia but after that time anyone can apply.
You can engage a transcription agent which is far cheaper than purchasing a certified certificate. Information is exactly the same.
http://www.jaunay.com/bdmcertificates.html
Not a lot of information on South Australian marriage certificates in 1952
Date and Place of Marriage
Bride and Bridegrooms Names, Ages, Place and Country of Birth
Trade
Residence
Father's names
http://www.centennialpark.org/memorial-search/hope-marie-cooke-594182/
Cando
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Hi,
RAAF Service No 145835 was Clyde Harry Cooke.
RAAF Service No 145825 was Edward Thomas Cook.
Gerry
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So the RAAF stuffed up their reply to Mrs Doreen COOK. Thought it was odd.
Cando
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I had a look at the files and yes they did seem to stuff up! And changed his service number all different people!
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Would anyone know at all if there were any photos of clydes parents Lilias May Freebody and John Arthur Cooke? born 1893 or 1897
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The file will at least give you the years and places Clyde was living in NSW.
They obviously made up....as Clyde was born 9 Apr 1925.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article69683820
Williamstown Chronicle 17 Jan 1920
MARITAL DIFFERENCES.
MOTHER-IN-LAW IS BLAMED.
John Arthur Cooke, a returned soldier, for whom Mr McComas appeared, was asked by his wife, at the local Court on Tuesday, for maintenance for herself and their child.
Mrs Lilias May Cooke said that defendant was her husband, with whom she could not live on account of "his dirty, low, lustful ways."
Her husband had taken the bed from under her, the day he was turned away from her mother's home. She had bought the bed, and the "duchesse", and the wardrobe, struggling to make a home.
To Mr McComas- My mother did not call him names. While he was at her mother's he paid her nothing. The last money he had given me was £3. When he went to the front he left me to draw £4/11/- every fortnight. He had not said when my mother (Mrs Freebody) ordered him out "All right, I will go, but I want my wife and child." My mother had not said "No you won't : I can afford to keep her on the money my dead son left me."
At interviews, she had, in December, her husband had not said to her that he had a home ready for her at Footscray. He is a "most audacious man for telling lies." She had not told her husband she was ready to go to him as she could not " put up with her mother any longer." Nor had she made appointments to meet him.
She had replied to the Mayor, when he had suggested going in for a house, " Not for a while."
The defence given was that Cook had offered his wife a home at Pilgrim street, Footscray, but she insisted on living with her mother.
He was getting £3 a week and was quite prepared to maintain his wife and child.
John A. Cooke, assistant slaughter man, gave evidence on the lines sketched by his counsel. He did not know the real cause of the trouble.
He could take her to a home straight away. The furniture there had been provided' by the Repatriation Department.
She had told the Mayor she could not put up with her mother. He told her he had rented a place at 16/6 per week.
Mr H. Hick.-You know you had no right to take that furniture away: it belonged to your wife.
The Bench adjourned the case for a fortnight, to give the parties an opportunity to come together. Meanwhile, Cooke must pay his wife £1 per week for her maintenance.
Cooke agreed to this course.
Cando
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my grandfather "Clyde Harry Cooke" his mothers name is Lilias May Freebody (formerly) and his fathers name John Arthur Cooke son of John Arthur Cooke who died in a mining accident in eaglehawk Bendigo (formerly) Sandhurst[[/color]/b]!
You have the wrong parents for John Arthur/Arthur John COOKE. His father was alive when he enlisted in 1919. He enlisted as Arthur.
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=3401426&S=1&T=P
At the addresses recorded on attestation papers.
Australian Electoral Roll
1919
COOKE Thomas Edward 66 Thomson Street, Albert Park Carpenter
Mother in law...
1917
FREEBODY Lilias Christiana 6 Council Lane, Williamstown HD.
Cando
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Hi,
Death of Mrs Lilian Christina Freebody, 1921.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/69513278?searchTerm=
Gerry
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I wonder who were his parents on this marriage certificate
Indexed both as COOK and COOKE
COOKE John Arthur
FREEBODY Lilias May
1917 Reg# 462
Cando
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Lilias May COOKE nee FREEBODY and her parents are buried in the same grave at Williamstown Cemetery.
http://www.gmct.com.au/deceased-search.aspx
Cando
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I think these are Arthur John/John Arthur parents....it appears his birth wasn't registered.
Australian Electoral Roll
1912
COOKE Jane Cecilia 68 Heath Street, Port Melbourne HD
COOKE Thomas Edward 68 Heath Street, Port Melbourne Carpenter.
Cando
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HOWEVER Thomas Edward COOKE and Jane Cecilia COOKE married in 1900....so was she John's widow?
Marriage
BROWN Jane Born Taradale
COOKE John Born South Melbourne
1893 Reg#4338
Births
COOKE Thomas James
Father John Mother Jane BROWN
At Malmsbury 1895 Reg#13905
COOKE August Henry
Father John Arthur Mother Jane Cecilia BROWN
At Eaglehawk 1897 Reg#2867
and from her second marriage
COOKE Alfred Headley
Father Thomas Edward Mother Jane Cecilia BROWN
At Bendigo 1901 Reg#944
COOKE Clyde Sylvister George
Father Thomas Edward Mother Jane Cecilia BROWN
At Northcote 1903 Reg#5238
COOKE Clement Cyril
Father Thomas Edward Mother Jane BROWN
At Northcote 1906 Reg#12926
COOKE Harry Bernard
Father Thomas Edward Mother Jane Cecilia BROWN
At Northcote 1908 Reg#21562
To find all the children born to John and Jane the 1897 birth certificate will list all previous chn of the marriage, both living and deceased.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article197301880
The Leader [North Melbourne] Oct 1897
IN MEMORIAM
COOKE.— In sad but loving remembrance of my dearly beloved husband, John Arthur Cooke, who was killed by a fall of earth on the 22nd October, 1896, at the Virginia Mine, Eaglehawk, Bendigo.
Cando
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http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article205341847
The Age 6 Aug 1951
Deaths
COOKE -On August 4. at St.Vincent's Hospital. John Arthur Cooke, the dearly beloved husband of the late Lilias and loved father of Lilias (Mrs Doll), Clyde and Jack. Aged 58 years RIP
COOKE The Funeral of the late Mr JOHN ARTHUR COOKE of 17 Errol-street, Footscray will
leave Nelson Bros. Chapel. 7 Droop-street, Footscray, THIS DAY at 3.40 p.m., for the Footscray Cemetery.
Cando
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Yes so it does turns out that Jane cecilia was the widow of John Arthur Cooke! She then married John Arthur's brother Thomas Edward cooke in 1900 and had 4 children to him. I can't thank you enough for your information I am very green at this and wouldn't know where to find this information! Thanks again👍🏻
Beck
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Pleased to have helped. We all had to start somewhere :)
Have you researched Clyde's siblings, Lilias and Jack?
Cando
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No I haven't started to research Clyde's siblings at all so back at square one again!
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Wonder if any of these are related to your line?
Freebody Photos - Not Recognized
http://www.monaropioneers.com/unrecognised/freebody.htm
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Marriage in Victoria
FREEBODY Alfred born South Melbourne
McINNES Lilias Christina born South Melbourne
1889 Reg#2563
Birth
FREEBODY Alfred
Father Thomas Mother Bridget CASADY [Should be CASSIDY]
At Emerald Hill 1859 Reg#5719
Parish record transcribed to the Vic registry
Marriage
FREEBODY Thomas
CASSIDY Bridget
1852 Reg#1441
Denomination Roman Catholic Parish St Francis, Melbourne Fiche#720
Thomas married to Bridget was also known as Arthur.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5705512 1861
NEW INSOLVENTS.
Arthur Freebody, of Emerald Hill, labourer. Causes of insolvency-Want of employment, and
pressure of a judgement creditor. Assets, £1 10s. Od. ; liabilities, £28 9s. Od. ; deficiency,
£20 10s. 0J. Mr. Laing, official assignee
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article155031415 1867
Bridget Freebody, wife of Arthur Freebody, said : I live in Stoke-street, Sandridge, and have
known the prisoner and his wife for two years
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article196655737
The Leader 111 Apr 1896
FREEBODY On the 3rd April, at his son's residence, 142 Cecil-street, Williamstown, Arthur Freebody, aged 76 years.
Death
FREEBODY Arthur
Parents unknown
At Williamstown 76 years 1896 Reg#8052
Arthur is buried at Williamstown Cemetery
http://www.gmct.com.au/deceased-search.aspx
Death
FREEBODY Bridget
Father James Cassidy
At Williamstown 66 years 1900 Reg#11202
Cando
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Hi,
Edward/Cooke engagement, 1946.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/22380694?searchTerm=
Gerry
Modified from marriage to engagement.
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Hi Beck18,
My mother Noelyne Radcliffe was married to Clyde Harry Cooke and they had a son Rodney Harry Cooke. Are you related to Rodney?
Regards Robert Coker-Godson
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Hi Beck,
Are you able to still looking for information on Clyde Cooke as mentioned He was married to my mum Noelyne and they had a son Rodney, my half brother who unfortunately I never had the chance to meet.
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Hi Robert
yes i did know that my grandfather Clyde was married to your mother! Rodney was my dads half brother and lived with them until he was 26, he then left for WA for his job and died in a horrible accident! can you tell me if you know why Rodney did live and stay with your mother?
regards Beck
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Sadly I didn’t know about Rodney till well after he had died. My understanding from my
mum is after she and Clyde parted Rodney was placed in an orphanage. There is a far bit more to this I’d be happy to share. Is your father still alive. Do you have any further information of Rodney, pictures or do you know if he had children. removed
Regards, Rob
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Hi Robert,
I would be interested in connecting with you regarding Clyde Cooke.
I have emailed you at the email address I saw on your post to Bek Harvey but I am not sure if that address is current.
Would be pleased if we could touch base.
Regards
Desie
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Hi Beck, I have not had any success contacting you in relation to Clyde Cooke.
I have information re family of Clyde Cooke. Thanks Desie