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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: cherylcam on Saturday 29 October 16 02:35 BST (UK)
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Hello.
I believe I have a British home child in my tree. Assuming I am right:
Charles Edward Flowers
Born: 1862 in England, living in Spitalfields with his family in 1871 (parents: Henry Flowers, and Matilda Myers)
I *think* his father Henry died around 1873
1875: I found a Chas Flowers, age 13 on the Prussian, arriving in Quebec in July.
This appears to be a ship carrying home children for Annie MacPherson.
He married Elizabeth Bayless in 1887 who was from Keppel (and he was living in Owen Sound) (both in Grey County, Ontario).
What I can't figure out is where he was in the meantime (1875-1887). I know that there are a couple of options as to the institution and that he would have probably been placed on a farm somewhere. Any ideas?
Thanks!
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Hi cherylcam
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
We have a database for British Home Children but he doesn't seem to be listed
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-quick-search.php?letter1=F&letter2=6&dbsig_num=1#top_data
I'm sure though that others will come along soon and try to help you some more.
Dawn
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Have you checked the 1881 Canadian Census ?
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1804541
Sandra
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In the LAC home children database he's been transcribed as Thomas Flowers
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/home-children-1869-1930/immigration-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=8067
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In the LAC home children database he's been transcribed as Thomas Flowers
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/home-children-1869-1930/immigration-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=8067
Interesting: do they get that information from the passenger records or somewhere else? I have looked at the passenger record and it really looks like Chas to me (and has to a transcriber as well but I can't remember where I saw that).
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Have you checked the 1881 Canadian Census ?
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1804541
Sandra
I have, and was unable to find him.
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Whoops sorry: I thought that 75 years was the rule for copyright.
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Could I ask you to remove the attachment to prevent a breach of copyright by using the modify button.
Thanks.
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In the LAC home children database he's been transcribed as Thomas Flowers
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/home-children-1869-1930/immigration-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=8067
Looked like Chas Flowers on the ancestry image to me.
Sandra
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Whoops sorry: I thought that 75 years was the rule for copyright.
Not if the image came from a subscription site. Small portions are allowed for deciphering purposes as Sandra has posted.
Thanks for removing it.
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Whoops sorry: I thought that 75 years was the rule for copyright.
Not if the image came from a subscription site. Small portions are allowed for deciphering purposes as Sandra has posted.
Thanks for removing it.
No problem. My apologies.
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Notice the daughter Matilda shown on the 1891 census is an adopted daughter to Frederick and Elizabeth Mink on the 1901
1891 Owen Sound Ontario
Charles E Flowers 29
Elizabeth Flowers 28
Malilda M Flowers 2
Allice Flowers 9 months.
John Mowat 41
Matilda was Matilda May Flowers who married in 1906 to John Archibald Campbell.
Alice born 1890 married 9 March 1910 York Ontario to Charles Royal Pritchard.
The birth of Alice could be the one listed as Elizabeth Flowers 29 July 1890 Grey Ontario.
1901 Bentinck Grey Ontario
Frederick Mink 32 Born Ontario.
Elizabeth Mink 28 Born Ontario.
Matilda Flowers 12 Born 4 August 1888. Adopted Daughter.
George 4 Born 14 October 1896. Son.
Sandra
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A marriage 8 July 1912 - for a sister Edith M Flowers born 1894 Owen Sound - spouse Alexander Levi - Grey Ontario -
Sandra
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Mother Elizabeth passed away 21 November 1935 York Ontario - aged 72 years - widowed - name of informant Alice Pritchard - 214 Jarvis Street Toronto. Burial Owen Sound Ontario 2 November 1935.
Sandra
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1921 Owen Sound Grey Ontario
Elizabeth Flowers 37 (age should be 57)
Isabella Bayliss 83 Born 1838 England.
Isabella passed away 26 May 1926 - Grey Ontario.
Isabella is shown on find a grave but some details on Elizabeth are incorrect ::)
FIND A GRAVE
Isabella Lougheed Baylis
Burial - Greenwood Cemetery Owen Sound Grey County Ontario.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=40727455&ref=acom
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra. This is all stuff I have already as Matilda was my great-grandmother. ;). Alice Pritchard is actually daughter Alice (so she may have been living with her at the time as Alice was living in Toronto where she died). This family was already my mystery: Charles just added to it with the possible home child discovery!
In 1891, all three girls are living with their parents. In 1901, the two oldest are "adopted daughters" of German speaking families. Can't find the youngest (Edith) or mother Elizabeth on this census. I believe I have found Charles (maybe) living in Toronto as "single". 1902, he married Sarah Jane Freel (definitely him as his parents are right), calling himself a "bachelor" and in 1911, he was living in Toronto with wife Sarah, claiming he was naturalized in 1901.
There is another part of this. My father (grandson of Matilda) remembers seeing a family tree as a child that had an aboriginal woman, living on the Bruce Peninsula, which is where Elizabeth was from (Keppel, Ontario). So there is a possibility that the girls were given to white families to raise.
Edited to add that it seems that Isabella was born in Ontario, despite some records indicating otherwise.
And all three girls had their biological parents on their marriage licenses.
Also Matilda's birth certificate lists her grandmother (i.e. Charles's mother) as her mother, rather than her actual mother.
Final addition: the German speaking adoptive families are related (the one adopted mother is the mother of the other)
1921 Owen Sound Grey Ontario
Elizabeth Flowers 37 (age should be 57)
Isabella Bayliss 83 Born 1838 England.
Isabella passed away 26 May 1926 - Grey Ontario.
Isabella is shown on find a grave but some details on Elizabeth are incorrect ::)
FIND A GRAVE
Isabella Lougheed Baylis
Burial - Greenwood Cemetery Owen Sound Grey County Ontario.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=40727455&ref=acom
Sandra