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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: idontbelieveit on Wednesday 26 October 16 13:21 BST (UK)
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I "think" I have come up with a possible Uncle marrying a Niece scenario??
I have 2 x Thomas Pooley's born Needham Market c1821 and c1824.
Thomas Pooley 1821:- I have as single in 1841 Census, cannot find in 1851 nor 1861 Census's, 1871 married to an Eliza Pizz[e]y born c1839 and children, 1881 Census wife as Lizzie bc1839 and children, 1891 Census wife as Elizabeth bc1839,1901 Census as same and died c1903. In 1841 he was a Baker, whilst in the rest he was a Fishmonger.
Thomas Pooley 1824:- I can only find in 1851 and 1861 Census's. In 1842 married an Elizabeth Page who died in 1850. Therefore 1851 Census declared as Widower with Niece Amelia and Nephew Patrick Pizz[e]y's. In 1861 Census declared as Widower with daughter Amelia and Niece Eliza Pizz[e]y born c1840.
Am I totally of-track here but if the Thomas Pooley's are the same in that all the Census years would be covered, and that the Eliza Pizz[e]y is the same, and there are only 2 Thomas Pooley's and both born Needham Market, and there is only one Eliza Pizz[e]y born 1839 ± 5yrs in Cotton (Bacton Sfk)?. I cannot find a marriage record with a Thomas Pooley marrying an Eliza Pizz[e]y though.
I am very confused as some might be reading this, but any help or pointers would be most welcome
regards
Richard C
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I can only find one baptism for Thomas pooley
baptism Barking with Needham & Dormsdon
25 Aug 1820
mother Elizabeth
Suz
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In 1841 he was a Baker, whilst in the rest he was a Fishmonger.
Thomas Pooley 1824:- I can only find in 1851 and 1861 Census's. In 1842 married an Elizabeth Page who died in 1850. Therefore 1851 Census declared as Widower with Niece Amelia and Nephew Patrick Pizz[e]y's. In 1861 Census declared as Widower with daughter Amelia and Niece Eliza Pizz[e]y born c1840.
Am I totally of-track here but if the Thomas Pooley's are the same in that all the Census years would be covered, and that the Eliza Pizz[e]y is the same, and there are only 2 Thomas Pooley's and both born Needham Market, and there is only one Eliza Pizz[e]y born 1839 ± 5yrs in Cotton (Bacton Sfk)?. I cannot find a marriage record with a Thomas Pooley marrying an Eliza Pizz[e]y though.
I am very confused as some might be reading this, but any help or pointers would be most welcome
regards
Richard C
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I believe there is just one Thomas Pooley who adjusts his age each census
1841 as you say he was a Baker
1851 I read his occupation as "Confectioner" and his mother in law was with him
1851
Stowplane? St Stowmarket
Thomas Pooley Head w 27 Confectioner Needham
Maria Page mother in law 60 annuitant Iken
Amelia Pizzy neice U 20 Housekeeper Bacton
Patrick Pizzy nephew 8 Bacton
HO107 1794 606 6
1861Broker's shop Stowmarket
Thomas Pooley Head widow er 36 Broker in furniture Needham Market
Isabella daughter s 17 Shopkeeper Stowmarket
Eliza Pizzey neice U 21 Housekeeper Bacton
RG9 1147 120 21
so his daughter was named as Isabella not Amelia
in 1851 I think "Isabella " was named "Arabella Pooley age 7 visitor in household of William Ellest? Pizzy age 45 vet & farmer and wife and children
1871 Ipswich St Stowmarket
Thomas Pooley head M 56 Fishmonger Needham Market
Eliza wife 32 bacton
Fanny daughter 8 Stowmarket
Thomas son 2 Stowmarket
plus a boarder nd a servant
RG10 1734 18 5
1881Thomas is 60 Fishmonger
Lizzie wife 42 Bacton
Fanny daugter 18
Harry son 16
Thomas son 12
William son 6
Katie daughter 3
children allb Stowmarket
1891 -they have moved
7 Broadway Bedford Rd Balham
Thomas Pooley Head M 70 Needham
Elizabeth wife 50 Bacton
Fanny daughter 25 Housekeeper
Harry son 23 Fishmonger
Thomas son 21 Fishmonger
William son 16 Fishmonger
Katie daughter 13 bookkeeper
children b Stowmarket
plus servant
1901
Fox & Hounds Bury St
Thomas Pooley Guest M 80 living on own means Needham
RG13 1762 60 1
1901
Balham Wandsworth
Thomas Pooley head U 30 Fishmonger Stowmarket
Elizabeth mother M 60 Bacton
Fanny daughter U 32 housekeeper
William brother U 26 Fishmonger
Katie sister U 22 Fishmongers bookkeeper
RG13 472 15 21
I know you probably have these census -but some details differed from the one's you had
Have you found 2 baptisms for Thomas Pooley
or does the census follow through as being the same family??
Suz
I looked to see if the children's births were registered as Pooley or Pizzey -and they are Pooley
I cannot finfd a marriage
The best Idea would be to purchase one of the children's birth certs to see mother's maiden name
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1851 has Thomas as a widower with MIL Amelia Page - here she is in 1841 with daughter Elizabeth
Maria Page 50
Ellen Page 24
Anna Page 22
Elizabeth Page 20
Phillipina Page 18
Amelia Pezzy 8
1851 names the Pizzey children as Thomas's nephew & niece, In 1841 she could be grandaughter of Maria Page
1861 Thomas still a widower but has daughter Arabella there - In 1851 she is visiting
William Elliston Pizzy 45 and his wife Sarah Ann Pizzy 35 - I think we need to check to see if Sarah Ann was Elizabeth Page's sister :-\
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1851 has Thomas as a widower with MIL Amelia Page - here she is in 1841 with daughter Elizabeth
Maria Page 50
Ellen Page 24
Anna Page 22
Elizabeth Page 20
Phillipina Page 18
Amelia Pezzy 8
1851 names the Pizzey children as Thomas's nephew & niece, In 1841 she could be grandaughter of Maria Page
1861 Thomas still a widower but has daughter Arabella there - In 1851 she is visiting
William Elliston Pizzy 45 and his wife Sarah Ann Pizzy 35 - I think we need to check to see if Sarah Ann was Elizabeth Page's sister :-\
1851 Thomas has with him Mother in law MARIA Page - neice is Amelia Pizzy
1861 Thomas' daughter is entered as Isabella - 1851 she is Arabella when visiting the Pizzy family
I think her full name was Arabella Phillippa
Rosie do you think there is only one Thomas Pooley??
Suz
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Marriage family search (transcribed as)
William Elliston Pezzy
Sarah Ann Page
1 Jun 1832
St Andrew Norton Suffolk
Suz
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Thank you Suz - I looked on familysearch ::) At least that has linked the Pizzey's to Thomas & Elizabeth nee Page.
Yes I do think there is only one Thomas Pooley. The second Elizabeth gives years married in the last census, I wonder if 'Fanny' was hers prior to the supposed marriage to Thomas.
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Thomas Patrick Pooley
Baptism Date 26 Nov 1871
Suffolk County Bts,Suffolk,England
Father Thomas Pooley
Mother Lizzie
FHL Film Number: 952469
Bother - baptised the same day ;D
Fanny Elizabeth Pooley
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Births Mar 1863
Pooler Fanny Elizabeth
Stow 4a 524
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for Suzard & rosie99...Thank you very much for your replies. I will digest the infor youhave sent and cross-check my sources and past documentation
best regards
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Yep...just x-checked everything and merged thhe "two" diagrams for Thomas Pooley, and they do fit well. Thanks once again..just an idea for Eliza Pooley nee Pizzy's length of marriage being listed as 42 years in 1911 Census, in that husband Thomas died in 1903 so if it was actually 50 years ie listed years plus years since husbands death, then Fanny and Harry would not have been born out of wedlock? - just an idea
Once again many thanks for all your suggestions, research and guidance
best regards
Richard C
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Why do you think that Eliza (Pooley) had the maiden name of Pizzey, do you have one of the childrens birth certificates confirming this :-\