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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: lockhaven on Monday 24 October 16 01:33 BST (UK)
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Hi, I'm trying to find out more about my 4th Great Grandparents Catherine Cree & Peter Campbell. I seemed to be stumped on a few things...
- Catherine's death
- Peter's parents, birth (guessing around 1783?) & death
On my 3rd Great Grandfather, Archibald Campbell's death certificate it lists his parents as Peter Campbell (Manufacturer) deceased & Catharine Cree deceased. Assuming those details are correct of course.
I believe Catherine was born to Thomas Cree 1741-1822 & Catherine Miller 1744-1795 and that she was born 24 Dec 1781 in Perth, Perth.
Her siblings being Alexander, Thomas, Peter, John, David & Jean.
Her and Peter were married in Perth, Perth, Scotland 17 Aug 1810. (which means Catherine was 29, interesting, that would be quite old back then)
I haven't been able to find a Death anywhere.
Her & Peter had 5 boys....
John Murray Campbell b. 1811
Thomas Crie Campbell b. 1815
Peter Campbell b. 1821
Robert Bower Campbell b. 1823
Archibald Campbell b. 1825-1891 (my x3 great grandfather)
They were all born in Perth.
I was able to find Peter and his two sons, Peter & Archibald in the 1841 Census over in Strathbungo Village, Lanarkshire, Govan, it looks like they moved there, I'm not sure when. (his son Thomas was also living in Strathbungo with his wife Margaret)
He's listed with an estimated birth year of 1783, and working as a Cotton Hand Loom Weaver.
(there doesn't seem to be any sign of Catherine, possibly she passed away between the birth of Archibald (her youngest) and 1841? I searched for the Perth Cemetery records and couldn't find her.
Peter doesn't seem to appear on any 1851 Scotland Census' so I'm guessing he must have passed away between 1841-1851. I also haven't had any luck finding his date of birth, birth parents or date of death. When I search on familysearch, none of the Peter Campbell's seem like him, they're all in smaller villages far away from Perth.
I'm a bit stuck, and advice or tips on where to go from hear would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks so much!
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Hi Lockhaven,
Have you found which Parish in "Perth" the children were born?
This will narrow your search.
Annie
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Could Peter & Donald be brothers/cousins with children given "Murray" as mother's/grandmother's maiden name?
CAMPBELL JOHN MURRAY
PETER CAMPBELL/CATHARINE CREE
20/11/1811
387/150 453 Perth
Do you have the original of the above & what does it say?
CAMPBELL JOHN MURRAY
DONALD CAMPBELL/ (Mother's name not given) ?
25/12/1814
404/40 15 Arngask
Annie
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Do any of the children's baptisms give any clue to areas or occupation?
It is possible they emigrated.
Annie
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I should have mentioned, this would be around the time of Gaelic speaking Scotland & Peter may be down as Patrick (Padraig) as Peter/Patrick are/were interchangeable?
Perth/Perthshire was known as the "Gateway" to the Highlands (Gaelic speaking).
Annie
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Ah, I see you found Peter in 1841.
The original should tell you whether he was a widower or if it doesn't state "widower" that would mean he's married.
I have a relative on a census on his own (although married) but I found his wife with their daughter at her abode elsewhere.
Annie
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There won't be a marital status given normally in 1841, Annie, which is a pity.
Lockhaven, with Annie's mention of the middle name Murray. One possible entry for Peter here, with mother showing as Margaret Murray, https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1QW-ZYN
No girls showing for Peter and Catherine. But there does seem to be gaps there. Hard to say really for now.
Monica
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Hello,
I'm not sure if this helps or adds more confusion (!) but the names you've listed seem to match a lot in my own tree. All of my Crees were from Perth, and mostly weavers.
While I can't directly connect your Thomas Cree and Catherine Miller, I have an Alexander Cree married to a Mary Miller, both born around 1740s in Perth. Their children that we know of included a Jean, David (my ancestor), Thomas and Alexander. David's grandson was named Peter Campbell Cree, born 1820, and married an Elizabeth Murray in 1846.
I just thought with such similiar names there must surely be a link somewhere? For example, perhaps this is two Miller sisters marrying two Cree brothers? It might explain the similarity in names down the line but the two clearly separate families....
Best regards
Ros
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This may be of interest/help?
I haven't searched through it myself.
http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search/place/arngask?id=543
Annie
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Hi Rosalinda,
Sadly the OP (Original Poster) has been on line since initiating this thread & has not responded to any input/help!!!
It's actually quite sad when people ask for help yet fail to acknowledge the time & effort spent by others trying to help :(
How long does it take to type 'Thanks' :-\
Annie
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Oh well, never mind! ;) Maybe she'll be back someday!
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Annie, I'm sorry, I didn't realize I hadn't responded yet. I didn't meant to offend anybody. Sometimes the excitement of finding a new lead causes you to go off and forget to write your findings.
I hadn't been able to take all your suggestions yet and explore all leads yet.
I appreciate all your suggestions and help.
The suggestions I have looked up have definitely helped me out, I think Peter Campbell's parents are Peter Campbell (b. abt 1760-? Perth) & Margaret Murray (b. abt 1760-? Perth), it would definitely make sense with the passing down of names.
Rosalinda, thanks so much for writing, yes, I do believe there must be a connection between the lines. There's just too many similarities to not be related. I think your idea of sisters marrying brothers is quite plausible! I believe Thomas Cree's father was Alexander Cree (1719-?) so that would make sense that his first born son would also be Alexander Cree? It's so hard to find siblings without the wonderful help of the Census'. I think it's safe to assume that it's a definite possibility though. Did you find any more info on Alexander Cree's parentage in your line? Do you have a Ancestry tree I can look at?
Thanks again everybody for your help, and sorry if I haven't been on top of writing everybody back.
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Unfortunately I can't get further back than my Alexander. :( There's some uncertainty over where he originally came from, and I've not yet found anyone who knows who his parents were, so for now I'm stuck!
You're welcome to have a look at my Ancestry tree though - it's under Rosalinda Jones Tree.
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Rosalinda, a few interesting things I came across, not sure if you saw this as well.
If you search the Perthshire Crie/Cree Family Tree on Ancestry. It shows...
Alexander Cree father of....
Alexander Cree 1713-? m. to a Mary Millar
it lists them having 6 children....
Alexander Cree 1736-?
Janet Cree 1739-?
Thomas Cree 1741-?
David Cree 1748-?
Jean Cree 1750-?
Agnes Cree 1753-?
They seem to have marriage dates, which leads me to believe they've proven this with parish records.
What's interesting about that is that it sounds like Thomas Cree might have married a cousin maybe? If his mom was a Miller/Millar, and his wife was, they are most likely related.
There's also the Hall Family Tree that has a few more details..... they have...
Alexander Cree 20 Dec 1713, Forteviot, Perthshire, Scotland
m. to Mary Millar 18 May 1735 - and they have the scan of the parish record.
They've listed Alexander Cree's birthday as 09 May 1736, Forteviot, Perthshire, Scotland.
As well as more exact birthdates for their siblings.
What's interesting about that tree is that they've listed Thomas Cree as marrying Jean Drysdale 30 Aug 1769, Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland. Not my Catherine Miller 29 Nov 1767, Aberdalgie, Perth, Scotland. They do have a parish transcript, but it doesn't prove that it's the same Thomas Cree from Forteviot, it's still possible, but I tend to think my Thomas Cree is more logically the right one since Aberdalgie is much closer to Forteviot than Alloa.
Ok, I'd say that solves the connection, we're connected through Alexander Cree & Mary Miller/Millar. They're my x6 great-grandparents. Thomas is their son, who married Catherine Miller who must be related to Mary somehow, I'll have to work on figuring out that connection.
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Not sure if you've had a scroll through these:
http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search/results?st=aberdalgie
http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search/results?st=forteviot
Can have some interesting finds but I haven't gone through them myself.
Annie
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Thanks Annie, I haven't been able to fully explore it yet, but I've bookmarked it for when I have more time to search through each page. Might be helpful for other family members too, that's great, thanks. :)