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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: sikeywabbit on Thursday 13 October 16 06:23 BST (UK)
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My great grandmother died in garston in 1894. On her death certificate it mentions thst her father was present but he is marked as a Griffith and her maiden name was Jones. Is there some mistake? I can scan it into my computer if necessary.
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Hiya Griffith Jones is a common name here in Garston - I think the Griffith is his Christian name - not his surname
do you think this is possible ?
ADDED - for the record there was a Copper works here and the Welsh knew how to work copper - the scousers didn't - so many many Welshmen were brought to Garston early 1800's
hope that helps to explain things
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Let me take another look
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It says David Griffith. Present at death 42 york st garston.
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You are very knowledgable, i dont know enough to dispute it.
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if you go to
www.familysearch.org
Griffith
jones
any record
Garston
England
Lancashire
search
click - there are 5 records for Griffith Jones and 5 children born Jones - father Griffith
what was your great grandmothers name and do you know if she is buried in St Michaels churchyard ??
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She is buried st michaels. She was born in leeswood flint and christened on october 6th 1856
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just checked
Griffith Jones
Griffith Ellis Jones .....2 men having children in 1800's in Garston :)
I don't want to build your hopes up - but - there is a man here in Garston in his 80's with that name and is more than likely from your tree line ....it looks that way to me ...his son died 5 years ago and was my best friend ....I am very close to this family and know them very well ....
just seen your post - what name would be on a possible headstone ?? and would you like me to take a look this morning ??
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Monaghan july 1893
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You are awesome
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was David Griffith Jones b 1833 ??
and I am not awesome ...lol I live in Garston village whereupon everyone knows each other and all the families - it is just local knowledge...
if the weathers ok I will see if I can find the headstone this morning .... ;)
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I think you already looked. The name is mary ellen monaghan died july 1893
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I think you already looked. The name is mary ellen monaghan died july 1893
so she was born Mary Ellen Jones ?.....my gg grandmother was also Mary Ellen Jones b 1858 Garston - her father was Evan Jones b 1833.. my Mary Ellen married Carl Freidrich Sacht - a sailor from Heligoland - a British owned Island off Denmark - but sold to Germany in 1890's
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My great grandmother died in garston in 1894. On her death certificate it mentions thst her father was present but he is marked as a Griffith and her maiden name was Jones. Is there some mistake? I can scan it into my computer if necessary.
but Mary Ellen Monaghan died in 1893
which is correct please and if she died as Monaghan when did she marry if she was born Griffith/Jones
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She died 13th july 1893 at 16 wilson grove. She was 28 years old. Her husband william monaghan is listed as mate, merchant service.
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I can't find an appropriate marriage. I assume your Mary is the one indicated on the census as born in Leeswood, Flintshire
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She died 13th july 1893 at 16 wilson grove. She was 28 years old. Her husband william monaghan is listed as mate, merchant service.
On her death certificate it mentions thst her father was present but he is marked as a
Griffith and her maiden name was Jones.
Is there some mistake?
Her marriage cert should confirm her father's name
Do you have a birth cert. of one the children confirming her maiden name is JONES?
1891 census living 16 Wilson Grove
Mary’s pob Leeswood Flintshire Wales born c 1865
Jane born 1888, James H born c1890
LEESWOOD, a township in Mold parish, Flint; 2 miles SE of Mold
Is it possible that this might be her baptism
9 July 1865 Mold, Flintshire, Wales
Mary Ellen mother Jane JONES single woman, abode Milford Street Mold
From Flint baptism
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There is a marriage in Liverpool of a Jane Jones to a John Griffith in 1885. Possibly a connection.
But as Ladyhawk says, do you have proof of Mary Ellen's maiden name from a child's birth certificate?
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Who, I wonder, was the David Griffiths who registered the death, could he be the David Griffiths born in Flintshire aged 60 in the 1891, living in Canterbury street garston, very close to Wilson grove.
Mike
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Who, I wonder, was the David Griffiths who registered the death, could he be the David Griffiths born in Flintshire aged 60 in the 1891, living in Canterbury street garston, very close to Wilson grove.
sikeywabbit says he's her father
On her death certificate it mentions that her father was present but he is marked as a
Griffith and her maiden name was Jones.
Is there some mistake?
I can scan it into my computer if necessary.
If the 1865 baptism I posted is for the correct Mary Ellen Jones, mother Jane Jones -
perhaps David Griffith was her stepfather :-\
Perhaps seeing if David Griffith, Mary Ellen & Jane Jones whereabouts in 1871/1881 might help :-\
but we only have Mary Ellen's yob to go on
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On the other thread there was a suggested marriage Mary Ellen Jackson widow to William Monaghan,
Mary Ellen widow may have been a Hughes by her first marriage.
I only mention this because in 1881 the David Griffiths who registered the death has a number of Hughes children living with him and his wife .
Mike
Edit, Mary Ellen may have been Hughes before her marriage
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There is also a marriage for a Mary Ellen Johnson in 1890
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She is buried st michaels. She was born in leeswood flint and christened on october 6th 1856
Guess where I am - ? Nercwys Flintshire - the next village to Leeswood where your g grandmother was born ...the book says predominately Welsh speaking due to the farming community for 2000 years ...beautiful area but very very quiet ...bus is every 2 hours ...says it all ..
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Who, I wonder, was the David Griffiths who registered the death, could he be the David Griffiths born in Flintshire aged 60 in the 1891, living in Canterbury street garston, very close to Wilson grove.
Mike
York Street and Canterbury St are very close - Under The Bridge in Garston ....but Wilson Grove is about a mile away .it is up the village and is at the end of Bennett St - where I was brought up ...I now live 2 streets away from Bennett st and Wilson Grove and for the record ALL the houses in Wilson Grove are still standing ... :)
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On the other thread there was a suggested marriage Mary Ellen Jackson widow to William Monaghan,
Mary Ellen widow may have been a Hughes by her first marriage.
I only mention this because in 1881 the David Griffiths who registered the death has a number of Hughes children living with him and his wife .
Mike
Edit, Mary Ellen may have been Hughes before her marriage
on that marriage Mary Ellen JACKSON's father is named as James HUGHES. Mary was a spinster age 23 (so right age) and William was a mariner
what makes you think Mary ellen's birth name was Jones please
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Mary Ellen Hughes married Thomas Jackson in 1887
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On the other thread there was a suggested marriage Mary Ellen Jackson widow to William Monaghan,
Mary Ellen widow may have been a Hughes by her first marriage.
I only mention this because in 1881 the David Griffiths who registered the death has a number of Hughes children living with him and his wife .
Mike
Edit, Mary Ellen may have been Hughes before her marriage
on that marriage Mary Ellen JACKSON's father is named as James HUGHES. Mary was a spinster age 23 (so right age) and William was a mariner
what makes you think Mary ellen's birth name was Jones please
I think we need to ask the Op that question if they return, there is nothing definite on either thread
I will wait and see
Mike
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She died 13th july 1893 at 16 wilson grove.
She was 28 years old. Her husband william monaghan is listed as mate, merchant service.
She is buried st michaels. She was born in leeswood flint and christened on october 6th 1856
sikeywabbit - Can I check the baptism year 1856 is correct for
your Mary Ellen Jones - from her baptism record what were her parents names, father's occupation?
The date of death 1893 age 28 would give Mary a birth year of c1865 not 1856 ???
The 1891 census https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7Q51-RT2
living Wilson Grove with her husband & children
Mary Ellen MONAGHON's yob c1866 Leeswood Flintshire
added - there's a Mary JONES occ servant born c 1866 Leeswood
living 12 Railway Street Openshaw, Lancashire
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27G-B7RT
You need to view the original 1881c as John Griffiths is not the head of household,
it's Joseph Jones age 32 his wife Jane S and his four children
plus John Griffiths & his two sons named Price & Edward Griffiths
On the other thread there was a suggested marriage Mary Ellen Jackson widow to William Monaghan,
Mary Ellen widow may have been a Hughes by her first marriage.
I only mention this because in 1881 the David Griffiths who registered the death has a number of Hughes children living with him and his wife .
Mike
Edit, Mary Ellen may have been Hughes before her marriage
on that marriage
Mary Ellen JACKSON's father is named as James HUGHES.
Mary was a spinster age 23 (so right age) and William was a mariner
From the 1891 census Mary Ellen & William's son is named James H Monoghan born c 1890
This looks to be James Henry Monaghan's baptism St Michael Garton 2 March 1890
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVQR-D6R
and his birth entry on FreeBMD
Mar 1890 W. Derby 8b 626
James Henry Monaghon