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Title: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: Brennan04 on Tuesday 11 October 16 23:09 BST (UK)
If someone could point in the right direction I would really appreciate it!!!!  I am looking for the graves of my mom's brothers. Both died in the late 1930's. She's pretty sure they were buried in Glasnevin. One was only a day old and the other was 3 years old (Patrick and Michael Smith..... I know, I know...some of the most common names;-). I've checked the records and unfortunately I can't find graves for them so I was just wondering if there are any mass/paupers graves??  Not sure what happened to children who passed away this young in the 1930's. Pretty sure the 3 year old (Michael) was buried. Not sure about Patrick. They were from inchicore at the time. Parents were Patrick and katherine (sometimes Catherine) Smith (pelly). 

Thank you!!!!!
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 12 October 16 07:10 BST (UK)
for reference Patrick and Catherine were married in 1934 from Kehoe/Keogh Sq
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1934/08970/5246648.pdf
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 12 October 16 07:25 BST (UK)
did they by chance live in Rosary road ? i see a death for a Michael 2 and a half with father Patrick from this address in 1942
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1943/04656/4238739.pdf
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 12 October 16 07:44 BST (UK)
Looks like Patrick was 2 and a half when he died from 238 Keogh Sq Feb 1939
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1939/04752/4272825.pdf

edited to add
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1WJ-89K
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 12 October 16 07:56 BST (UK)
At least you now have an exact date to work from for Patrick and he does not appear to be buried in Glasnevin nor Bluebell so you will have to try Mt Jerome contact details below
http://www.mountjerome.ie/?content=contact-us
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 12 October 16 12:18 BST (UK)
Strangely enough Michael Pelly died 1940 218 Keogh Sq buried Glasnevin with address Kehoe Sq
no 148 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1940/04721/4261878.pdf

though my wife is from Bluebell area she said there is a graveyard in Goldenbridge area which i think was used  by the troops stationed  in Kehoe Barrack's not sure when this graveyard closed.

edited to add childrens graves may not be marked on this search so appointment and death cert needed
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=2264203

edited to add
it would probably be better to ring Glasnevin to see did they allow infant burials in Goldenbridge.
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 12 October 16 12:31 BST (UK)
Baby John Pelly from 218 Keogh Sq died 1933 informant was his aunt Annie Finnegan same address
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1933/04866/4315823.pdf

does not appear to be buried in Glasnevin
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: Brennan04 on Wednesday 12 October 16 16:19 BST (UK)
Thank you so much!!!  This was some great info!!!  You guys are so great at this!!  One more favor since you are so good at this😀.... my grandfather was Patrick A. Smith (middle name I believe was Augustus). He died approximately in 1959. My mom just remembers she was around 14 or 15 (she was born in 1945). I've been to Dublin to the registrars office(where you can get copies of the civil records) and I've found nothing. He was living at 248 clogher rd crumlin at the time of his death. If anyone could find anything that would be so wonderful!!!!  Thank you so much again!!!!
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 12 October 16 16:43 BST (UK)
I see Catherine 1985 aged 72 is he not in with her
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: Brennan04 on Wednesday 12 October 16 16:57 BST (UK)
I know:-(. It's weird that I can't find anything on his death. He is buried in a mass grave at mount jeromes I believe. Could you possible send me the link to my grandmothers?  I will look but just in case I can't find it. Thank you!!!
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: Brennan04 on Wednesday 12 October 16 17:00 BST (UK)
And no he's not buried with her. She has a big beautiful headstone but she still had younger children when he passed so they couldn't afford to have anything for my grandfather.
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 12 October 16 17:45 BST (UK)
Sorry its not a death cert i found for Catherine just the index from Glasnevin when entering Clogher Rd
http://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/results/index.xml

I have been going through the death certs a lot the past few days and one disturbing feature i have come across is people who die in workhouses or institutions, some have no home address given.

eg Patrick Smyth died age 80 1957 Grangegorman Mental Hosp or Hospital for Incurables.
how is anyone supposed to know who he is unless they were there at the time.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1957/04388/4140832.pdf
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: Brennan04 on Wednesday 12 October 16 18:17 BST (UK)
This Is a little too old to be him but thank you!!  He was born around 1895. He is in the 1911 census living on Meath street and listed as age 16. We have some other info on him just can't find that death record!!!  Driving me nuts😜.  I will definitely ask my mom to see if she knows exactly where he died. Maybe that can point me in the right direction. Thank you again!!!
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: Brennan04 on Wednesday 12 October 16 18:22 BST (UK)
And if not for the age I would think there was a possibility it was him. I can't read the cause of death but I do know my grandfather had tuberculosis. Not sure if that contributed to his death or not.
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: Brennan04 on Wednesday 12 October 16 18:28 BST (UK)
Yay!!  I found death record.... finally. I had to look in Dublin north. I was just looking in Dublin. Thanks again for all your help!!!
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 12 October 16 21:05 BST (UK)
He was born 21st July 1894 at 15 Brabazon Street
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02251/1847114.pdf
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 12 October 16 21:41 BST (UK)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Merchants_Quay/Brabazon_Street/1344328/  ??
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: Brennan04 on Saturday 15 October 16 01:57 BST (UK)
Thank you so much again!!!  I never found this info when I did the research before either!!!  It's difficult with my grandfather having such a common name:-). Now I may be able to go back even a little farther having that info!!!  You guys really are so very helpful😀❤️
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: TConlan on Sunday 04 August 19 23:55 BST (UK)
He passed away on 27th August 1961
See attached
Hope that helps ☘️
Title: Re: Glasnevin childrens paupers graves 1930's
Post by: TConlan on Sunday 04 August 19 23:59 BST (UK)
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