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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: ciderdrinker on Friday 07 October 16 10:34 BST (UK)
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Hello
I had a bit of surprise looking at the 1911 census for David Goodwin born 1855 and his wife Jane Elizabeth nee Coates born 1856 .All the family were there but you guessed it the fertility bit there is a fourth child still alive.
Now there's been no mention of a fourth child and as the other children are in their 20's it seems a bit odd no one mentioned him or her.
Looking at the other children's births it looks like the missing child was born between July 1879-Nov 1884.
I've whittled it down to 5 in Macclesfield.
Can any one else do better before I start sending for certificates
Isaac Sep 1880
Harold Sep 1882
Harry Warren Sep 1882
Edwin Sep 1883
Charles Mar 1884.
The younger daughters (Ethel Grace and Nora Maud),are baptised at Disley but no sign of elder brother Norman so I'm assuming he was christened at St Thomas High Lane which isn't on line.
Any help appreciated
Ciderdrinker
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Norman Coates Goodwin born 1879
married 1907
to Mary Taylor
he would not be at home on 1911
You didn't mention him?
My guess is look at burials locally
Louisa Maud
PS Hope I am on the right track
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I think I have looked at the wrong GOODWIN family, (David and Elizabeth)
SORRY, my apologies
Louisa Maud
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No, I think you are on the right track
1901
David Goodwin 46 schoolmaster bn Norbury
Jane Elizabeth 45 bn Ashton
Norman Coates 21 Bankers clerk
Ethel Grace 16
Nora Maud 14
Seems to be the same as the 1911 family - Norman there, but not Edith!
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1881 Norman 1
1891 Norman 11
Ethel Grace 6
Nora Maud 4
1901 Norman 21
Ethel Grace 16
Nora Maud 14
Norman married 1907
Have you looked for baptisms for the 5 listed as possibles?
Louisa Maud
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If you look on CheshireBMD you will find that the 3 children you know for definite are registered under Cheshire East, sub-District Rainow. Unfortunately there are a number of birth registrations for Goodwins in that sub-District during the intervening years, and Cheshire East does not include mother's maiden name :'( :'(
As there is no sign of the fourth child in any of the census returns, could it be that he/she has a disability and is not at home?
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Hi
Yes bumble bee that's what I thought.
I've looked for baptisms for the 5 I have but no luck and while some appear on the 1939 census ,some do not .And the ones that do appear of course only have a date of birth and there are Goodwins with the same first name born elsewhere.
Harry Warren Goodwin for instance should stick out as a sore thumb but nothing,no school,no baptism ,no marriage and no death,but of course there are simple Henry Goodwin and Harry Goodwins out there.
But thanks for the sub district bit .I'll have a closer look at that.
Ciderdrinker
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I wondered about Harry Warren because he is the only one with a middle name, normally families either use them or don't. Also it's a surname (potentially) like the other boy's middle name.
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The only one that might just fit in
Death 1956 Dartford Kent
Harry W Goodwin aged 74
that makes d of b circa 1882
He should be on 1939
Louisa Maud
No ignore, he was born 04/06/1882 and he is Harry William
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The children don't seem to be named after their parents, only hint is Coates, mother's maiden name, if Harry Warren Goodwin is their son and we don't know for sure, is Warren a nee name in the family
LM
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David Goodwin died 12/02/1952,
probate to
Norman Coates Goodwin retired bank inspector and Ethel Grace Goodwin spinster, of £459 12s 6p
family trees online don't seem to have his death registered online
LM
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Hello
Thanks for all your replies.No Warren isn't a family name and nor is Harry.Lot's of Georges ,Johns and the occasional Charles and Isaac on David's mother's side.
I did look at the Cheshire BMD and none of the 5 registered in the sub district of Rainow which doesn't look too good.
The more I think about it the only lead I can see involves a trip to Chester archives to try and track down the St Thomas High Lane christenings and see if Norman and the missing child were baptised there.
???
Ciderdrinker
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Don't know where you hail from Cider but I hope it is a fruitful journey, you never know someone might pick this plea up and do it for you, you know how kind and helpful RC's are
regards
LOUISA MAUD
PS, Have you tried putting relationship to head as, patient, inmate or the like as you seem to think it is a possibilty
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Thanks for that Louisa
Any takers ,anyone?
Christenings at St Thomas high Lane look to be the one.
Ciderdrinker
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Good Luck, keep us informed
LM
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Will do
Ciderdrinker
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Any joy so far?
Louisa Maud
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No nothing to report.
I've not made it to Chester and no one's offered.
Ciderdrinker
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Hi, Ciderdrinker. I suggest you place a new post on this Cheshire section entitled "Look up request
Cheshire Archives, Chester".
Be as specific as possible with your request and link it to this post. There are people on this site who are regular visitors to these archives and they have helped in the past.
Good luck
Regards
Kathb
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Hi
I've done that .So fingers crossed and thanks once again
Ciderdrinker
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Well lets hope someone comes up with some help for you,
LM
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Fingers crossed
CD
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I was attracted to read your post because my great grandfather Daniel Goodwin born 1826 married Mary ANn Warren born 1836. They married in Longnor Staffs. Daniel was born at Goldsitch Moss and Mary Ann was from Rainow, I think. Anyway there is a Goodwin-Warren connection but may be a red herring as I don't recognise any of the names you have. Bellini
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The Charles bn 1884 Mar Qtr. could possibly ruled out.
Baptism: Prestbury 25 May 1884
Parents: Samuel Goodwin and Mary Elizabeth Wilson
Father a weaver, abode: Butley.
claire
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Hello
Thanks for that.
Down to the four possible Goodwins then.
Sorry I don't recognise a Daniel and Mary Ann Goodwin.
David was the son of John and Elizabeth Goodwin nee Warburton and grandson of George Goodwin and Sarah Pickstone. Davids ,Josephs,Georges but not any Daniels.
Ciderdrinker