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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: cupcake on Monday 03 October 16 12:15 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help me regarding ship passenger list for the "ORAMA" which arrived in Australia 7 March 1925.
The only information I have - my Aunty Annie Titterington arrived in Australia possibily Sydney. Don't know where she sailed from but, she lived at 48 Lord Street, Southport, Lancashire, England.
Any information will be very much appreciated.
cupcake
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Miss A Titterington 28 linen keeper
Departure 7 Mar 1925
London to Sydney
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You'll find the details here.
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/Scripts/PassengerReport.asp
I'm sure you already have the information on her arrival.
J.
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Milliepede,
That was quick :). Many thanks. Just have to find the passenger list for this now.
cupcake
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Milliepede,
That was quick :). Many thanks. Just have to find the passenger list for this now.
cupcake
The link I gave you is for the passenger list. Just type in her name, minus Aunty.
J.
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Thanks jamjar.
Yes, she arrived 7 March 1925. Trying to find someone else who may have been on the ship.
cupcake
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Thanks jamjar.
Yes, she arrived 7 March 1925. Trying to find someone else who may have been on the ship.
cupcake
7 April 1925
Same process, just type their name.
J.
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No records found :(
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Passenger list shows Departure from 'Port of London' as 7th March 1925
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No records found :(
Annie's record is there, so I assume it is the other person who isn't.
J.
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Passenger list shows Departure from 'Port of London' as 7th March 1925
Yes and arrival a month later.
J.
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Hi
The list is in Ancestry, I have saved it for you.
Who else are you looking for?
Maggsie
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rosie99
I am obviously doing something wrong. went to the site, put the name in - no records.
cupcake
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Maggsie ,
Thank you.
The other name is Jack James Steele/Steel
cupcake
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Hi,
Got him.
I will have to Private message my email address.
I will then send them on.
ok
Maggsie
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Maggsie,
That's great :). I will get back to you later - have to pop out for a while.
cupcake
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Passenger list shows Departure from 'Port of London' as 7th March 1925
Thank you for that, I had it as arriving in Australia on the 7 March 1925.
cupcake
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Hi,
Got him.
I will have to Private message my email address.
I will then send them on.
ok
Maggsie
Have emailed you. Looking forward to seeing the records.
cupcake
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Hi Everyone following this thread
Here is the link to the passenger list for the Orama arriving at first port (on Australian continent) Fremantle 7 April 1925 FREE TO SEARCH.
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=12260780
Here's links to some other Australian threads re Annie Titterington and Jack Steel/e.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=723154.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=721742.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=721568.0
JM
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Cupcakey, Have you overlooked the information researched for you here in June last year :
TITTERINGTON Miss A 28 years Linen keeper, embarked on the ORAMA from London on 27 Mar 1925. Contracted to land in Sydney. Last address in the UK 48 Lord Street Southport Country of last permanent residence England. Country of intended permanent residence Australia.
I cannot find a marriage to a John RICHMOND between 1925 and 1927. Perhaps they weren’t married and legally she was a spinster at the 1933 marriage.
There is an online tree on Ancestry with a photo of Annie and her dau. Is it your tree cupcake?
Cando
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Mr J Steele ticketted to Melbourne, and Miss A Titterington ticketed to Sydney. err.... about 900 kms between those two capital cities. Huge assumption to match passenger Mr J Steele with Cupcake's Aunt.
:) ticket numbers show NO connection,
:) destinations show NO connection,
and
:) there's 29 pages of passenger names on that voyage; 241 first class, 904 third class including 175 aliens.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/31289510 8 April 1925 The West Australian.
Contract Ticket Number A4073
Mr J STEELE
34, Beach Lane,
Musselburgh N.B.
Mine Pumper, 29 years of age, Scottish
3rd class ticket to MELBOURNE, In Melbourne to Norman Thomas, Wanburra, Victoria.
Contract Ticket Number A4420
Miss A TITTERINGTON
48, Lord St,
Southport.
Linen Keeper, 28, English
3rd class ticket to SYDNEY. In Sydney, to the Immigration Bureau
JM
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I wasn’t assuming anything – was just curious to see if there was a Jack James on the Orama at the time Annie was, and might have been the Jack I have been looking for. I hadn’t seen the contract numbers until now.
My apologies for wasting everyone’s time.
cupcake
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Cupcake, if you were to read JMs comment carefully, you would see that she could not be implying that it was you who had made the assumption: 'Huge assumption to match passenger Mr J Steele with Cupcake's Aunt.'
It was in fact assumed by Maggsie, as evidenced by her, 'Got him'.
It could be John, but with just a 'J' no knowing. He could have met her on the ship and decided to persue her to Sydney. Now wouldn't that be romantic. Your task now is to try to find out who he was and from where he came. Good luck with that task.
Jamjar
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Hi,
Got him.
I will have to Private message my email address.
I will then send them on.
ok
Maggsie
Yes, Jamjar is spot on, I was not implying that Cupcake was making the assumption.
May I mention that there is a submitted tree on a commercial website. Jacqueline's birthdate is shown there as 4 May 1926. If that is correct, then WHERE WAS ANNIE in August 1925?
JM
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Cupcake, if you were to read JMs comment carefully, you would see that she could not be implying that it was you who had made the assumption: 'Huge assumption to match passenger Mr J Steele with Cupcake's Aunt.'
It was in fact assumed by Maggsie, as evidenced by her, 'Got him'.
It could be John, but with just a 'J' no knowing. He could have met her on the ship and decided to persue her to Sydney. Now wouldn't that be romantic. Your task now is to try to find out who he was and from where he came. Good luck with that task.
Jamjar
I did wonder if Jack and Annie had met on the ship and arranged to meet at some point. So, I have spent most of the morning on Scotland’s People – looking for his birth details 1896/1900 – to no avail. So either, his birth wasn’t registered or, he wasn’t born in Scotland. There were a few John’s but not from the area mentioned on the contract ticket.
The reason I stick with Jack is simply because their daughter was named Jacqueline James. Jacqueline’s birth certificate would have given me answers. Unfortunately I will need written permission from the next of kin in order to apply, there is no chance that is going to happen.
Yes, I’ll need a lot of luck with this task.
cupcake
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From my living family members .... back in the 1920s and 1930s if a woman in NSW was listed in the Sands Street Directories with her title as "Mrs" and then her OWN given name, followed by a surname, the use of her own given name shows she was NOT living with her husband. She MAY BE a widow or a Divorcee or have been in a common law marriage, and using the title "Mrs" to explain why she was accompanied by and caring for her child/children.
With that in mind, I offer the following :
http://cdn.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/history/archives/sands/1925-1929/1928-part7.pdf (see page 3 of 61)
Sands Sydney Directory 1928 (closing date for entries would likely be end of October 1927)
PADDINGTON
Windsor Street, North Side Off 150 Jersey road to Cascade Street
184 STEELE Mrs Annie
Point Piper lane…..
So, that’s listing a Mrs Annie STEELE at 184 Windsor Street Paddington in late 1927.
(Paddington as in a suburb of Sydney NSW)
Here’s the main link to the Sands Directories for Sydney and NSW :
http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/sands-directory
Free to Search.
JM
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Hi,
Got him.
I will have to Private message my email address.
I will then send them on.
ok
Maggsie
Yes, Jamjar is spot on, I was not implying that Cupcake was making the assumption.
May I mention that there is a submitted tree on a commercial website. Jacqueline's birthdate is shown there as 4 May 1926. If that is correct, then WHERE WAS ANNIE in August 1925?
JM
Yes, I realise Jamjar was correct.
Yes, Jacqueline was born 4 May 1926. I have no idea where Annie was in August 1925, four months after arriving in Sydney.
On Jacqueline marriage cert it gives her place of birth Coogee.
So, I contacted State Library of New South Wales to look for Annie and Jack.They searched through the 1926 NSW Electoral Rolls for Coogee for these two names without success.
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Some entries from Sands 1925
Mrs Annie STEEL, 31 Renwick St, Alexandria
Mrs Annie E STEEL, 21 Victoria St, Rozelle
Mrs A STEELE, 16 Milner Cres, Wollstonecraft
I am sure I have previously checked for any sightings of a Jack STEEL or Jack STEELE.
ADD, I have just checked, NO listings in Sands 1925 for TITTERINGTON ..... ::)
JM
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Coogee is just down the road, literally, from Bondi where Annie was living.
J.
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Sands Sydney Directory 1928 (closing date for entries would likely be end of October 1927)
PADDINGTON
Windsor Street, North Side Off 150 Jersey road to Cascade Street
184 STEELE Mrs Annie
Point Piper lane…..
So, that’s listing a Mrs Annie STEELE at 184 Windsor Street Paddington in late 1927.
(Paddington as in a suburb of Sydney NSW)
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It might be my Annie then then moved to Redfern and back to her maiden name :-\
This was from State Library of New South Wales
Thank you for your enquiry. I have consulted the 1926, 1928 and 1930 electoral rolls (the rolls were produced every two years at this time) and found the following results:
1926 - No Titteringtons on the electoral roll for Redfern (Division of South Sydney, Sub-division of Redfern)
1928 - Titterington, Annie, 51 Castlereagh Street, home duties, F, Redfern (Division of South Sydney, Sub-division of Redfern)
Titterington, Janet, c.o. Maitland, 7 Castlereagh Street, home duties, F, Redfern (Division of South Sydney, Sub-division of Redfern)
1930 - Titterington, Janet, 51 Castlereagh Street, home duties, F, Redfern (Division of South Sydney, Sub-division of Redfern)
In 1928 Annie Titterington was the only person with that surname living at her address.
Source of information from Annie's sister, Margaret (deceased)
1928/29 Annie and her de-facto husband Jack, separated.
1929/30(...date?) Jack James, Annie's de-facto husband, died
CC
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It was the go to hospital for women living in the city to have their babies. I think your cousin, J.P., was born there.
The Coogee link probably refers to where the birth was registered.
J.
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It was the go to hospital for women living in the city to have their babies. I think your cousin, J.P., was born there.
The Coogee link probably refers to where the birth was registered.
J.
This could be but one will never know.
cc
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The 1928 NSW Electoral Rolls were printed because of the NSW referendum re Prohibition. The referendum was held 1 September 1928. The rolls would have been closed for a number of weeks prior. Trove would likely have adverts in the SMH.
Add1
Referendum date confirmed as 1 September 1928
https://www.elections.nsw.gov.au/results/referendums_and_polls/state/1_september_1928
Add2 No by-elections in South Sydney in 1928, but errrr there was a by-election in Coogee :-X :-X :-X later in Sept 1928
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_South_Wales_state_by-elections
Add3 Rolls already printed by 1 June 1928, so likely would have closed by about end of April to allow time for checking and then printed during May.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16468849 SMH 1 June 1928.
JM
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The 1928 NSW Electoral Rolls were printed because of the NSW referendum re Prohibition. The referendum was held 1 September 1928. The rolls would have been closed for a number of weeks prior. Trove would likely have adverts in the SMH.
Add1
Referendum date confirmed as 1 September 1928
https://www.elections.nsw.gov.au/results/referendums_and_polls/state/1_september_1928
Add2 No by-elections in South Sydney in 1928, but errrr there was a by-election in Coogee :-X :-X :-X later in Sept 1928
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_South_Wales_state_by-elections
Add3 Rolls already printed by 1 June 1928, so likely would have closed by about end of April to allow time for checking and then printed during May.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16468849 SMH 1 June 1928.
JM
Interesting. Thank you.
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=757097.0
Fingers crossed the RChatters on that Board can help confirm or eliminate J Steele.
JM
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Deleted due to deletion due to duplication. ;D
Jamjar
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All good :D
J.