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I see a Jane NINIANSON marring a John CLARK in Adelaide 1860. After the marriage I cant find anything else on her! :o :o :o
A Jane NINIANSON did arrive on the 'Joseph Soames' in 1850. A 'H Ninianson' arrived on the same ship but they are not mentioned together on the Shipping Intelligence.
TIA, bitzar.
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I see a Jane NINIANSON marring a John CLARK in Adelaide 1860. After the marriage I cant find anything else on her! :o :o :o
A Jane NINIANSON did arrive on the 'Joseph Soames' in 1850. A 'H Ninianson' arrived on the same ship but they are not mentioned together on the Shipping Intelligence.
TIA, bitzar.
Also, Elizabeth (George Leask) and Isabella (James Neilson) marrying, 1876 and 1881. All with same father, William. Elizabeth married at the residence of Mr Clark.
Jamjar
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'H' was for Helen/Ellen:
http://www.archives.sa.gov.au/sites/default/files/GRG35_48_1_50-11_Joseph%20Somes_0.pdf
Debra :)
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'H' was for Helen/Ellen:
http://www.archives.sa.gov.au/sites/default/files/GRG35_48_1_50-11_Joseph%20Somes_0.pdf
Debra :)
Jane age 20 and Helen 21, both from Shetland.
Looks like Helen married a Collins: 1858 36/310 COLLINS William Alfred NINENSON Ellen Adelaide
Name: Henry Collins
Birth Year: abt 1869
Age: 88
Death Place: Fort, Victoria
Father's name: Alfr William
Mother's name: Helen Ni?? Ninnenson
Registration Year: 1957
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 22692
1868 COLLINS Henry parents William Alfred COLLINS and Ellen NINENSON Grey 69/76
Helen's father was JOHN.
J.
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My Oh My..... I am laughing so hard.....
I am actually reasearching William Alfred COLLINS and Ellen N............
I have seen about 100 different spellings of her surname so I thought I'd have a go at asking about Jane NINIANSON first just to see if anyone could link Jane to Ellen or Helen who I thought this H NINIANSON might be.
So are we thinking that: Helen/Ellen, Jane, Isabella, and Elizabeth are sisters?! Father: William?! Only thing is Ellen's marriage states father: John. Vic BDM 1877 death states Ellen's father as Nimenson Ringi.
bitzar
EDIT: I have already found issue for COLLINS/William Alfred and Ellen N.
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Helen and Jane could be cousins, or not related at all, it just being a coincidence that they were both from Shetland on the same ship.
J.
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Ellen Collins (Ninneson) Horsham Cemetery, Victoria.
https://ar.billiongraves.com/grave/Ellen-Ninneson-Collins/17394805#/
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Thanks for everyones imput.
Jamjar, Cousins or some other relation is what I'm thinking. There is a William Ninianson family at Shetland on the 1841.
Helen/Ellen - states her father is John as per MC
Elizabeth - states her father is Wm as per MC
Isabella - states her father Wm as per MC
Jane - ?
And Elizabeth marries at the residence of Mr Clark.... probably Janes husband.
Thanks again.
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The surname, with the spelling you have given, seems confined to Orkney and Shetland in 1841.
And to one family.
So was she the daughter of William and Isabella NINIANSON, showing as Janet aged 9 months in 1841
Sue
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You have noted this death, in part.
Here is the complete indexing
COLLINS Ellen
Father NIMENSON Ringi
Mother UNKNOWN
Age 46
Birth Place S A
Year 1877
Reg Number 1746
The informant thought she was born SA
Sue
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Hi Sparrett
It certainly does doesn't it. I cant see a John Ninianson family though.
My prob is though is I though I'd be tricky and go from another direction to track my Ellen N but of course it didn't take long for Jamjar and Dundee to work it out...
I have never seen my Ellen N's surname spelt NINIANSON except for on online tree's which I take with a grain of salt. I have seen NINENSON, NIMENSON, NIVENSON, NINNESON, and RINNESON. All of these of course could be NINIANSON. Sort of sounds Scandinavian!
I don't know if Jane belongs to this Wm NINIANSON family but if so she is not on the 1841. The 1841 does list a Issabella and Elizabeth who could be the other two marrying in Adelaide with father William.
This is a fairly far fetched branch of mine but the name just caught my eye.
bitzar.
bitzar.
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Sparrett
This of course could be true! She could of been born in SA with no link to NINIANSON. I couldn't find any further info on SA BDM's to any similar surname in the years after that.
She was in Mt. Gambier in the 1860's and died 1877 prob in, or just north of Horsham.
bitz.
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Seems to me entirely possible that Jane is the "Janet" in the 1841 census. I have come across the 'interchangeability' of these names reasonably frequently. I still have not completely unravelled my father's Scottish aunts - there were three sisters one of whom was a small child who died young, and her name was 're-used' by a later birth. The names used on certificates were variously Jean, Jane, Janet. None of the certificates/records exactly matches the birthdates to deaths and to add to the confusion one of them was known in the family as "Auntie Bet" but I don't know which one. Sadly I have no-one now to ask. :(
You probably already have this.
COLLINS Ellen (Ninneson) and COLLINS William Alfred are listed as being at Horsham cemetery, (along with a number of other COLLINS). photos are available free from this site. An MI might just have some further info re Ellen's origin.
http://www.ozgenonline.com/~Carols_Headstones/Horsham.htm
Judith
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SA marriage records have ages recorded for the four NIN*SON ladies
Supposedly........
Ellen was 27 in Dec 1858
Jane was 36 in Nov 1861
Elizabeth’s age not recorded in Oct 1876 but was aged 48 in Apr 1891 when she married John JAQUES.
Isabella was 33 in April 1881
Essie
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Judb - The Janet on the 1841 was aged 9months, so unlikely. I did just find a 'Gean' NINIANSON living with another family on the Shetland's aged 15.
Can you believe I was only at Horsham cemetery a few months ago for my great Aunt's funeral. Some of the other Collins' are William Alfred's children to his 2nd wife who I am connected with.
Essie - Do you records mention the marriage status of the ladies when they were married?! Is it possible some were daughters / mother's since Jane was somewhat older than Isabella, between 13-18 years depending on what record you read!
bitzar.
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OK so.... I posted on the Shetland page to see if I could find anything and a lady gave me a link to a Shetland FH site. A few NINIANSON's but couldn't find anything to do with what we are dealing with...
BUT
remember on Ellen COLLINS nee NI*NSON's DC it read father: NIMENSON Ringi. I noticed on the Shetland site a Ninian NINIANSON from the 1700's. I had a look and saw that he was AKA JAMIESON Ringan. I googled the meaning of the name Ringan and it turns out to be a Scottish name for boys named for St. Ninian, who is thought to have brought Christianity to Scotland in the 5th century. WOW...
I'm not sure what this means but it seems all very coincidental.
bitzar.
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Hi Bitzar
"S" meaning single status was recorded for three of the four ladies.
Ellen's status was "N" = not recorded..
Essie
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oh dear, bitzar I should have looked more carefully re the child's age.
Do you have Ellen's death cert and if so could you snip the bit with his father's name?
May be helpful.
I'm assuming you have the obit for William Alfred COLLINS and his will?
Judith
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Here's a bit of a long shot
1841
Gean Ninianson, 15 (b abt 1826), female, occ: FS
Born in county
Civil Parish: Sandsting and Aithsting County: Orkney and Shetland
Address: Northhouse Of ****
Parish Number: 9
Marion Anderson 75
Malley Anderson 35
Gean Ninianson 15
Unfortunately no image for this entry, and it doesn't help much anyway. At the risk of being flippant - what an address. :P
Edit to add: Apparently the sensibilities of R'chat won't allow the whole address of this record to be shown!! :o ::) The asterisks were added by them, not me!
Judith
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Essie - Thanks for that further info.
Judb - :'( :'( :'( Those are tears of laughter.... I've seen it spelt with two T's at the end as well, lol!
That is the Gean I mentioned previously. Interesting because on the Shetland FH website I was given earlier, the William NINIANSON family with baby Janet and also daughters Elizabeth and Isabella, although ages don't match, his wife is noted as Isabella nee ANDERSON. Marion maybe Gean's grandma! Gean may well be Jane.
I do not have Ellen COLLINS' DC. I didn't have much interest until yesterday when I came across the unusual NINIANSON surname. I have WA's obit but not his will.
bitz.
bitz.
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oh bitz - I need to go back and read it all again!
You can look for the will here.
prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54
He divvied up his estate to his children, leaving his (2nd) wife provided for in her life-time. The PROV site sometimes takes a while to load up the actual image. I find I have to click more than once at times. Clicking deliberately (rather than a swift flick) seems to be a help.
Judith
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Hi
Is anyone able to check the 1921 SA death of Elizabeth JAQUES at Port Augusta. I'm interested to see if there are parents mentioned?!
Many thanks as ususal.
bitzar.
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Elizabeth JAQUES death notice may be helpful - no parents but she is the sister of Mrs M Barnes of Mile End and late of Glanville
aunt of E T Barnes, Arne? Bay, W A Barnes and Mrs L H Parker of Mile End.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/37107019
There are other notices which only mention her deceased husband, and a few state that she was in her 87th year, thus b abt 1835
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/210648635 -
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/89253875
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/37107759
Essie has her as marrying John JAQUES in 1891, aged 48 which gives a birthdate abt 1843 ???
Judith
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The Port Augusta Dispatch, Newcastle and Flinders Chronicle Fri 1 May 1891
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197594107
JAQUES—LESKE.—At the Wesleyan Parsonage. Port Augusta, on Tuesday, April 28, by the Rev. G. E. Wheatley, assisted by Mr W. H. Whitehead, John James Jaques to Elizabeth Leske, both of Port Augusta
1891 #167/689 JAQUES, John James and LEASK, Elizabeth; Frome
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Mary ‘NIMINSON’ aged 27, daughter of WILLIAM 'NIMINSON' married George BARNES on 28 Jun 1876 at Glanville. Port Adelaide 100/583
Five children to this couple. Mary's surname recorded as IVESON, 2xNINIANSON, NINIONSON and MINIONSON!
Bitzar, parents names not on SA death certificates back then.
Essie
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col, Elizabeth had been married to George LEASK previously.
1876 109/428, Port Adelaide
George LEASK, Elizabeth NINIANSON
Good find Essie; so Mary ‘NIMINSON’, dau of WILLIAM 'NIMINSON was aged 27 in 1876, thus a birthdate abt 1849.
Beginning to come together. :)
Judith
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Hi Bitzar,
On Trove several articles on the death of George Leask in Adelaide 16 April 1890 .One mentions Wife in Port Augusta . There is a burial at Cheltenham Cemetery 18 April 1890 for a George Leask.
Regards Kerri
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Hi team
Essie - A wonderful find.
Kerri - An interesting read on Geo Leask. Poor fellow...
Judb / Cupof - A sad end for JJ Jaques, Elizabeth's 2nd husband. As mentioned, Elizabeth's death mentions her as born c1835. This fits with the Elizabeth on the 1841 with father William in Shetland.... If its the same family!
... I have been doing some research into naming patterns in Shetland. It seems that surnames were generational. ie - John NINIANSON's children would have the surname JOHNSON, as in son of JOHN. If this said John NINIANSON had a son named Ninian JOHNSON then this Ninian children's surname would be NINIANSON as in son of Ninian, or WILLIAMSON, or JAMIESON, or whatever the child first name is!!! Blimey.... I think maybe this is why on Ellen COLLINS DC her father was noted as Ringingson NIMEMSON?!?! Families caused this naming pattern at different times.
Thanks for all your work.
bitzar.
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An interesting read re Elizabeth....
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/ironking1873.shtml
bitzar.
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FYI everyone
I've just found that family friend's of over 50 years are of the same Collins family... Such a small world isn't it!
Many thanks again.
Bitzar.