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I am looking for a record of John Halford (b. abt 1821 as of Census, actually 1817 as of Baptism Record in Hemington, Leicestershire, England) in the 1871 Census or his death record. I have found him in the 1851 and 1861 Censuses.
After doing more research, I found a John Halford in the 1871 Census Record, widowed and living with two daughters and two grandaughters. As the children are not present on the 1851 and 1861 Censues, I researched them back and found that the John Halford in this record is not the John Halford in my tree. There are records in 1881 and 1891, which also seem to be the same John married to a Margaret.
I believe John's wife Elizabeth (unable to find marriage record so I am uncertain of her surname) died 1866. I have a burial record for her, although she is referred to as 'Eliza' and the actual town of burial is missing; it states ,Leicestershire, England, which makes me think perhaps there should be a town before the comma?
If anyone is able to help me I'd be really grateful. I've added the information about the 'wrong' John to make it easier. I've been looking for weeks now, but either I'm doing something wrong or the record is unavailable!
Thanks everyone! :)
EDIT: If anyone is able to find his son George Halford (b. 1849) whilst they are looking please let me know. I also can't find him on the 1871 Census.
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I believe John's wife Elizabeth (unable to find marriage record so I am uncertain of her surname) died 1866. I have a burial record for her, although she is referred to as 'Eliza' and the actual town of burial is missing; it states ,Leicestershire, England, which makes me think perhaps there should be a town before the comma?
If this is the burial on 11 Feb 1866 then it isn't John's wife as she was aged 8, abode Hemington.
There is a possible death burial for John on 4 May 1877 at Castle Donnington, aged 57.
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Is this the family in the 1861 census John Halford age 37 farmers labourer
Elizabeth age 38,Hannah 15,George 12 at Castle Donnington Leicester
Piece 2487 Folio 72 ?
Rosie
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Thank you, can I ask where you have accessed the burial records from? I have used a website for this that doesn't state the age of the individual. :(
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Hi rosie17,
Yes that is the one!
Thanks. :)
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Thank you, can I ask where you have accessed the burial records from? I have used a website for this that doesn't state the age of the individual. :(
I have an Leicestershire burial index CD. It doesn't give the full information from the parish record but it's handy for narrowing down possibilities as it gives name, age, abode and parish of burial.
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Jomot what age does it give for a Elizabeth Halford death Oct 1863 ?
Rosie
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The CD doesn't cover municipal cemeteries so the 1863 one isn't on there, but the Welford Road CD has a burial 24 Nov 1863, Elizabeth Halford aged 74 of Gray Street, St Mary.
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Not having much luck in finding this family can see George in later census records do you have a marriage for George to see if his father is deceased ?
Rosie
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The closest I can find for Elizabeth is Elizabeth Ann Halford, widow, born Shardlow c1815, who is in the county asylum in 1881 & 1891.
She was buried 10 Apr 1901 at Welford Road, aged 82, putting her birth at c1819, which more closely matches the 1841 & 1851 census dates for Elizabeth :-\
Finding a marriage would be a start, failing which you will need to obtain a birth certificate for one of the children to establish Elizabeth's maiden name.
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EDIT: If anyone is able to find his son George Halford (b. 1849) whilst they are looking please let me know. I also can't find him on the 1871 Census.
Do think this might be a possibility for your George Halford on 1871 census ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBFH-36N
Although there's quite a difference in his y.o.b :-\ 1855 Hemmington Leicester
this George's occupation is a farm servant and his surname ALLFORD
Is this your George Halford 1849 Castle Donnington occ Ag Lab wife Jane & family on 1881c
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27K-2G3L
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I was thinking on the same lines looking for the marriage, as the closest I can find is 1840 in Ashborne RD, John Alford & Elizabeth Ride.
Google tells me that Elizabeth's birth place of Mugginton is "a township in Belper district, and a parish partly also in Ashborne district"
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1841 census High Street – not sure if it’s all one household
Elizabeth Halford 50
Samuel Halford 22 boatman
Henry Roberts 20 cordwainer
Ann ditto 20
Samuel ditto 3 weeks
John Halford 20 Ag Lab.
Elizabeth 21 noted as not born in this county
John 4 months
Sarah Heap 4
Henry Roberts 1
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQYV-8TH
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Hi rosie17,
I haven't been able to find a marriage for George, I just know he married Sarah Jane Jarvis, but this is from another person's Ancestry tree.
Josot,
Thanks for that info, I'll have a look at it and enquire about birth certificates.
Ladyhawk,
The 1881 Census Record is George, I'm unsure of the 1871 one.
Thank you all! :)
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Ladyhawk,
I have two records for John in 1841, one with his parents Thomas and Susannah, then another which you just posted.
I'm not sure which one is correct.
Thank you!
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I was thinking on the same lines looking for the marriage, as the closest I can find is 1840 in Ashborne RD, John Alford & Elizabeth Ride.
1840 marriage Elizabeth Ride to John Alford his father William
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVWN-MDL
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Tinkerbell
I think you may have the wrong birth for John. There is one in 1822 with parents William & Elizabeth. Its indexed as Lockington but the parish was also known as Lockington & Hemington.
The 1840 marriage of John Alford & Elizabeth was at Brailsford, with John's father stated as William. Elizabeth's father was George. John was 19 & Elizabeth was 23.
Added: See link to marriage just posted by Ladyhawk (posts crossed)
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I am looking for a record of John Halford (b. abt 1821 as of Census,
actually 1817 as of Baptism Record in Hemington, Leicestershire, England)
From the baptism record you have who are named as John Halford's parents?
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Possible burial for William (assuming he is John's father):
Lockington & Hemington, 12 Apr 1832, William Halford aged 57. Abode: Hemington
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From my reply 12 (1841 census)
possible marriage entry for Ann
Mar 1839 Shardlow
Ann HALFORD
Male names on same page
Henry ROBERTS
John Farmer
William Henry Leeson
James Rutter
and there’s these HALFORD baptism which might be the Samuel & Ann from that 1841 census parents William & Elizabeth
Saml. 1817 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVWN-MDL
Ann 1819 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVL7-H38
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rosie17,
I haven't been able to find a marriage for George,
I just know he married Sarah Jane Jarvis, but this is from another person's Ancestry tree.
Is this your George Halford 1849 Castle Donnington occ Ag Lab wife Jane & family on
1881c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27K-2G3L
Ladyhawk,
The 1881 Census Record is George
The marriage entry
Sarah Jane JARVIS (FreeBMD)
Dec 1872 Leicester
Male names on same page
George HALFORD
Joseph Ward
William Baker
This looks likely to be Sarah Jane Jarvis with her family on 1871 census
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFT2-4DV
and this looks to be George b1850 occ Shoe Finisher & Sarah Jane Halford on 1881c
their dau Martha's middle name is JARVIS
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27J-C1HW
and George Halford occ Finisher is widowed by 1891
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WDLL-T2M
George Halford 1848 occ Shoe finisher may have remarried wife Grace 1901c
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSHM-69M
Dec 1891 Leicester vol 7a page 499
George HALFORD
Female names on same page
Grace INGRAM
Maria Simmons
I think this might be the marriage entry for George & Jane
Dec 1871 Shardlow vol 7b page 816
George HALFORD
Female names on same page
Jane TWELLS
Mary Wall
and on 1891 & 1901c with wife JANE & children
George Halford born c 1849 Castle Donnington occ Ag Lab.
1891c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:46M7-1T2
1901c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSJ6-4R1
From dob & pob from 1881c with husband George this appears to be
Jane TWELLS on 1871 c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB6R-RF7 with her family
A b/c of one of their children would confirm mother's maiden name and m/c would confirm
both father's names
this looks likely to be George from 1881/91/1901c's baptism parents John & Elizabeth
George Halford 1848 Castle Donnington https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3CV-WX4
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I haven't been able to find a marriage for George, I just know he married Sarah Jane Jarvis, but this is from another person's Ancestry tree.
I think you will need to be careful when taking information from other trees ...I would say this is
the census for this couple 1881
George Halford b1850 Leicester occupation shoe finisher
Sarah Jane Halford 1851 Leicester
Martha Jarvis Halford 4 ,Alfred George Halford 2
Address 39,Talbot Lane Leicester
Looks like possible death for Sarah Jane Halford Apr 1885 Leicester
The census Ladyhawk has posted for 1881 is your George Halford is that correct
Rosie
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This could be a marriage for George Halford Oct -December 1871
Shardlaw Derbyshire Jane Dwells
Rosie
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Sorry Ladyhawk just seen your post with Jane Twells
Rosie :-[
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Sorry Ladyhawk just seen your post with Jane Twells
Rosie :-[
That's ok Rosie - no problem :)
There certainly seem to be quite a number of George Halford & John Halford born around the same time in Leicestershire ???
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There certainly seem to be quite a number of George Halford & John Halford born around the same time in Leicestershire ???
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Quite a popular name ;D
Rosie
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Hi everyone,
Sorry for such a late reply, I've been working such long shifts I haven't had chance to come on here. :(
Thank you so much for all of your help and dedicated time, I'm going to attempt to link all of this in with my tree. As some of you have said, it is quite tricky because there are so many Halford's around in Leicestershire during this time period.
I have John's parents as being Thomas Halford and Susannah Castledine, I don't know if this is going to change things!
Many thanks. :)
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Is this the family in the 1861 census John Halford age 37 farmers labourer
Elizabeth age 38,Hannah 15,George 12 at Castle Donnington Leicester
Piece 2487 Folio 72 ?
Rosie
Hi Rose, I am looking for a Rose Halford, Father John, Mother Rose married William Bull in the UK. Do you know of this person. Just wondering due to your name and searching Halford. Cheers Joany
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Hi Joany ...Sorry I don't know of this family I was only helping with information as we do
Did you mean Rose Halford with a father called John was it her that married William Bull ?
Not sure of the dates you are looking for but there is this marriage
Rose Halford spinster
William Bull bachelor both of this parish
22 November 1802
Saint Mary -St Marylebone London
Rosie
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Dear rose
I think that is the one. Do you have any further info on that family? Hope this makes sense as I got excited just reading your reply. That is the one - I am sure. Cheers Joany
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Dear rose
I think that is the one. Do you have any further info on that family? Hope this makes sense as I got excited just reading your reply. That is the one - I am sure. Cheers Joany
Hi Joany ...You might be better starting a post of your own with what information you already have on the family birth dates places and census records you have ...What you are still looking for and I'm sure there will be plenty of people on here that will be able to help
Rosie
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Thanks Rosie. How do I start a new post of my own. Not sure what to do. Thanks Joany.
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Hi Joany if you go to the top of the page click on forum have a read at some of the guidance and resources ...once you have done that click on New Topic and start your post ...Or still using forum you can scroll down to the country you require then click on New Topic hope this helps
Rosie
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Thanks Rosie. Will do that. Cheers Joany