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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: levley on Monday 26 September 16 04:58 BST (UK)
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A great grandmother emigrated to Australia in 1849 on an assisted passage.
Is it possible to find any documentation ?
Levley
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Hi there,
Yes, it is possible to find images of the passenger list, details of the Agent, which Scheme, who paid/sponsored, what the fares were, particularly if your Great Grandmother came to New South Wales.
She would not have needed a passport. She may well have needed a record of her baptism as part of a character background check by the Agents seeking out females to come to the colonies.
In 1849 .... so before the gold rushes .... perhaps you could share her name and ship of arrival, and which colony....
JM
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Hi JM,
Her name was Eliza Mills, it is most likely that she arrived in Adelaide on the " Ascendant "in November 1849.
Her daughters birth certificate gives her birth place as Peckhan, London.
Many thanks for your help,
Levley
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You may have seen the passenger list already:
http://www.archives.sa.gov.au/sites/default/files/GRG35_48_1_49-23_Ascendant.pdf
If this is your Eliza then it appears that Ann and Sarah are related, possibly sisters. They have consecutive embarkation numbers.
Have you tried finding them together in 1841? Peckham was in the county of Surrey in the 1820s so you need to be looking there for baptisms as well as London.
Debra ;D
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Thank you Debra,
I have a family in Shoreditch that fits perfectly, and even a birth certificate for Eliza Mills. But I do not have proof that she is my Eliza.
I found her place of birth on her daughter's birth certificate, and also the marriage date.
She was married in Adelaide in 1851. and after considerable search can't find a marriage certificate.
I have her death certificate, which says mothers maiden name unknown !!
Think I will have to let her rest in peace.
Levley
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"..I found her place of birth on her daughter's birth certificate, and also the marriage date.
She was married in Adelaide in 1851".
Can you please list all the information on the certificate. It is possible that Eliza was not married, and the date and location of a marriage was invented to suit the circumstances. Eliza might have been anywhere in 1851, and might never have been in SA.
Is this the only reference you have to locate Eliza before the time of the birth certificate?..........no birth certificate for an earlier birth?
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Unfortunately a marriage record won't help as father's name was not recorded before 1856 in SA.
Are you looking at the family of Richard MILLS and Ann TAGG?
Amongst their children I can see:
Ann baptised 1818 St Giles, Camberwell
Father's Occ: Upholsterer
Abode: Peckham
Sarah baptised 1824 St Giles, Camberwell
Father's Occ: Upholsterer
Abode: Peckham
Eliza baptised 1828 St Leonard, Shoreditch
Father's Occ: Upholsterer
Abode: Kingsland Road
These ages fit with the three MILLS girls who immigrated.
Ann married? John MARTIN, had children in SA and died in Victoria in 1894 1896, parents named as Richard MILLS and Ann TAGG.
Sarah married Joseph FENNELL in 1853 in SA and died in Victoria in 1904, parents named as Richard MILLS and Ann TAGG. You need to see who witnessed this marriage. Perhaps it was Eliza or her husband and that would establish a definite link.
Eliza MILLS married? Stephen Keele HALL, had children in SA and died in Victoria in 1909, no parents named. [Child's birth cert shows Eliza as born in Peckham]
Links to previous posts:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,608928.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=609999.9
I really suggest you ask for this thread to be moved to the Australia board as there are people who have offline resources and the focus is a bit different to the other threads - finding a definite connection between Ann (MARTIN), Sarah (FENNELL) and your Eliza.
Debra :)
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Levley - I can see that you have been researching Eliza MILLS for several years. You have not identified the birth, and you have not given all the information on the birth certificate that you have.
"..I found her place of birth on her daughter's birth certificate"
This is the certificate that I am interested to see.
Can you also give all the information from the death certificate that you have.
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Death notice Sarah FENNELL
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/189436513
No mention of Eliza
Death of Anne
I see 1896, rather than 1894 as the date
MARTEN Anne
Father Mills Richd
Mother Ann TAGG
Age 78
Death Place Mvern
Year 1896
Reg. Number 10338
This is possibly a death notice for
Anne. At Valletta St Malvern
No mention of Eliza
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/190607088
Sue
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I have a family in Shoreditch that fits perfectly, and even a birth certificate for Eliza Mills. But I do not have proof that she is my Eliza.
There are no birth "certificates" in England until 1837. Is the parish register baptism that Debra found in 1828 St Leonard Shoreditch what you are referring to?
[This Eliza Mills was baptised 2 March 1826 - there is an additional notation in the heading "by whom the ceremony was performed - this appears to give dates of birth for all baptisms. In Eliza's case it is 2 Nov 1826.]
You say you have a family in Shoreditch which fits perfectly - what exactly do you have? Have you found them on the 1841 census? (I had a quick look but could not easily see them - but I am on my ipad so searching is more laborious, so decided to leave it for now ...)
Eliza's birth noted as being in Peckham on her daughter's marriage certificate, may have been due to her siblings being born there and she mistakenly thought she was also born there, or perhaps she was born in Peckham but baptised in Shoreditch after the family moved there.
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Death of Anne
I see 1896, rather than 1894 as the date
Sue
Yes sorry, my mistake.
Eliza (aged 14) might be the one with mother Ann (aged 50) living at Rosemary Branch Lane in Camberwell. I think Ann is a Laundress. (Piece: 1050; Book: 4; Folio: 10; Page: 13) Perhaps Ann and Sarah are in service. There is a burial in 1834 for a Richard MILLS aged 48 which gives his abode as just Kingsland, though other entries on the page have Kingsland Road. That would fit with Eliza's baptism.
Debra :)
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my thanks to everyone for your research and help.
The most likely family of Richard Mills and Ann Tagg is the same family I had found.
Having had little luck in finding more in Australia,i thought it worth trying the shipping records, in particular the documention or agent for the "Ascendant".
I will follow up on Sarah who married Joseph Fennell.
Thanking you all,
Levley