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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Suzicals on Wednesday 21 September 16 20:00 BST (UK)
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I have come to a frustrating dead end, I am trying to research my Great Grandmother.
(bit of background)
She was born Margaret Kellet on 29th June 1850 in Sherburn Hill Durham
Married William Revelly Tench March 1871, and had 11 children my nan being one of them. She lived in Garston Lancester in 1891 where my Nan was born. Nan was told her mother died when she was aged around 2 (1894 ish) however I found Margaret living with her bother in law and wife in Winlaton Durham in 1901 and her status was married.
That is as far as i can go, I cannot find a death for her under the name of Tench, and i have tried to see if she remarried later in life but found nothing, I wondered if she moved abroad with one of her older children, possibly Alfred who i believe moved to Africa, If she did how would I find out? Is there anyone else on here that are researching the Tench's that might be able to shed some light on what happend to her?
Thanks
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I presume that Margaret had left the marital home as her husband had Mary Bell 'living' with him in 1901 - he was later cited in her divorce before he married her.
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yep thats the one, he was a 'naughty boy' :) he married Mary in 1902 they where bigamists
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Did he marry Mary Bell twice? There are marriages in 1902 (Doncaster) and 1906 (Leeds) both have a Mary Bell on the same page.
He had a son of the same name but he was unmarried in the latest census
I wonder if the 1902 marriage was bigamous?
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The marrage in 1902 is mentioned in the divource papers. Its possible the one you have found in Leeds is a legit, as the divource papers where filed in 1905 by Mary's Husband John Bell.
Its what happend to Margaret that i am more interested in as i am unable to trace her after 1901.
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Just a thought, but I would think that he'd either divorced Margaret by 1905 or she was dead by then, otherwise why would he have bothered to go through another marriage to Mary Bell? Does it give any indication as to his marital status in the divorce papers?
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I havent been able to find any divource for William and Margaret, or her death at that time. I have looked at the marrage notice him and Mary in 1906, and note that she is mentioned twice once as Mary Bell and Mary Wilkinson her maiden name. I dont recall any mention about his marital status in the divource papers Just when it all started. I can only surmise that he remarried Mary again in 1906 because she was at least still married to her former husband John in 1902, which would have made the marrage between her and William null and void.
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The only way he could have married Mary after her divorce is if he was a widower or divorcee - what does the 1906 marriage cert say about his marital status
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There is a newspaper article 09 August 1915 - Manchester Evening News
SWAIN-TENCH - August 7th, at Holy Innocents' Church, by the Rev EB Ward, Charles SWAIN of North Shields to ISABEL youngest daughter of the late W Revely TENCH, of Delhi, India.
Presumably 'the late W Revely TENCH' is Margaret's son? Not sure this helps much but gives another place in the world to search :-\
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Isobel is my nan, thats her father, He died in Delhi in 1908 of sunstroke.
confusing when they have the same name of their fathers :) William R Tench snr and Margarets first child was called William R Tench too :)
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The only way he could have married Mary after her divorce is if he was a widower or divorcee - what does the 1906 marriage cert say about his marital status
I would have guess so, but he did marry her in 1902 in Doncaster, when at least i know mary was still married to John, but thats my delema, I cant find a death for Margaret in 1901/2 or a divource in that time either. I dont have the marrage cert so i dont know what it says about his marrital status.
Think i will have to have to get a copy of that marrage cert of 1906 to see what it says
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Think i will have to have to get a copy of that marrage cert of 1906 to see what it says
At the moment, I think that is your best bet, although the only problem is that if he was still married he is hardly likely to have said so! However, as I said earlier, having had one marriage declared illegal I wouldn't have thought he would have risked the same happening to his second marriage to Mary.
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Think i will have to have to get a copy of that marrage cert of 1906 to see what it says
At the moment, I think that is your best bet, although the only problem is that if he was still married he is hardly likely to have said so! However, as I said earlier, having had one marriage declared illegal I wouldn't have thought he would have risked the same happening to his second marriage to Mary.
He'd be daft to do it I agree :) But as i cant find a death of Margaret so he could marry 'again' i am going to have to guess she died abroad possibly?
Thanks for everyone's thoughts :)
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Have you found all of the children of William & Margaret on the England 1911 census. If not who is missing.
Rosie
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Have you found all of the children of William & Margaret on the England 1911 census. If not who is missing.
Rosie
yep i know all the children thanks :)
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Have you found all of the children of William & Margaret on the England 1911 census. If not who is missing.
Rosie
yep i know all the children thanks :)
Sorry if I was not clear but as we can't find Margaret in 1911 I wondered whether any of the children had not been found on that census.
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Presumably 'the late W Revely TENCH' is Margaret's son?
No - that is the bigamist - Margaret's husband. Isabel was the daughter of William R & Margaret as per 1901 census and the grandmother of Suzicals
Births September qtr 1892
Isabel Tench West Derby 8b 637
William Reveley Tench b 1847 died between 1906 - 1911 - possibly in India
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Presumably 'the late W Revely TENCH' is Margaret's son?
No - that is the bigamist - Margaret's husband. Isabel was the daughter of William R & Margaret as per 1901 census and the grandmother of Suzicals
Births September qtr 1892
Isabel Tench West Derby 8b 637
William Reveley Tench b 1847 died between 1906 - 1911 - possibly in India
Probate index gives death as 22nd March 1908 in Delhi - widow Mary
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Thanks Rosie - I had wondered why I couldn't find a death here for him. So back to the drawing board for Margaret
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I can't see a will for her between 1901 and 1906. Of course she may just have moved in with some one and taken their name, so be registered under that.
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Hi,
I can see a Margaret KELL born Sherburn on the 1911 census,she is living with a James and Jane Lynn,any use?
Regards
Joburg
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Hi,
I can see a Margaret KELL born Sherburn on the 1911 census,she is living with a James and Jane Lynn,any use?
Regards
Joburg
James Lynn married Jane Kell in 1861. Margaret Kell is Janes sister :'(
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I'd like to return to Rosie's suggestion: to check out all the children of William and Margaret in 1911 census. The siblings seem to be pretty affected by the actions of their father and Mary BELL nee WILKINSON: between 1906 and 1908 the majority of them marry and or move away. One to Winchester; one is already in Erith Kent; two to the Boer War, where one moves on to Australia; three siblings emigrate to Canada-British Columbia; the youngest remains with Mary BELL now TENch; one son continues travelling overseas as an engineer. This son appears to be the closest to his father, working in India with him and the son's family are there too-his infant daughter dies there. Maybe William's legitimate wife was there too and died there. All the siblings are accounted for in 1911 except fo a son Alfred Firth TENCH born 1885, one of the sons who travelled to South Africa about 1908 and a daughter, Margaret born 1876, who may have married a David Davidson, in which case she is accounted for in 1911.