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Title: Sligo 1832
Post by: Whiteyboy25 on Saturday 17 September 16 09:01 BST (UK)
Hi

I believe my relatives ( The 'White' family) who I know were originally from Ballysadare in co. Sligo, moved to Liverpool in 1831/1832.

I know there was a cholera outbreak in Sligo in 1832 so I presume this was the reason for their move

Does anyone know if ships sailed to Liverpool from Sligo or would they have moved to another part of Ireland in order to be able to sail to Liverpool?

Any advice greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Richard
Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 18 September 16 07:59 BST (UK)
Ships sailed from Sligo to Liverpool
See just under the gold frame
http://www.sligolibrary.ie/media/SligoLibrary/Sligo400documents/PORT%20(5).pdf (http://www.sligolibrary.ie/media/SligoLibrary/Sligo400documents/PORT%20(5).pdf)
Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 21 September 16 21:55 BST (UK)
...
I know there was a cholera outbreak in Sligo in 1832 so I presume this was the reason for their move
...

It's equally possible the reason they left has economic, went to join relatives, etc.
Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: Andalula on Monday 15 October 18 07:58 BST (UK)
Link has now been updated

I'd love to read this, but the link doesn't work. Can you repost or give the home page plus a few more navigation hints?

Thank you greatly.
-Jen
Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: hallmark on Monday 15 October 18 08:04 BST (UK)
Just go to the sligolibrary.ie home page and search Ships
Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: Sinann on Monday 15 October 18 11:52 BST (UK)
http://www.sligolibrary.ie/media/SligoLibrary/Sligo400documents/PORT%20(5).pdf
mmm I google it, found it, but the link is the same as earlier.
I  googled
www.sligolibrary.ie Ship sailing from Sligo to Liverpool
and it was the top result and opened fine.
Result starts
The primitive quay of the port of Sligo lay immediately..

The link is working for me in this post but not in the post above. Ah just noticed sligolibrary.ienew is in the first link, that must be the problem.
Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: lmgnz on Wednesday 17 October 18 03:11 BST (UK)
My gt grandfather's sister Ann Livingston of Killoran married a George Whyte a shoemaker, son of John, a farmer,  on 4 feb 1869. I have not been able to find exactly where George lived as the placename I was given was Mentuagh.

I just did a quick search of john Whites in Sligo in Griffiths valuations and there is one in Ballysadare.

I have 2 other Whyte connections.

Anne's husband George Whyte was probably a relative of the Maria Whyte who married William Livingston of Rathbarron in 1854 and of the George WHYTE who was son-in-law to the Richard LIVINGSTON of Rathbarron who died 1889.

I shall go have a look at that latter reference now that I will be able to see it on the irishgenealogy site. Ann's father was John Livingston so this George Whyte should be someone different.

Ann and George Whyte were in Rathbarron in 1901 and 1911.
Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: lmgnz on Wednesday 17 October 18 03:31 BST (UK)
The Richard Leviston who died 15 Oct 1889 was at Rathbarron as was his son-in-law George Whyte so I suspect that George Whyte was the husband of Ann.

I think Richard Leviston/Livingston was Ann's uncle  who married  Maria Barber in 1860.

Maria Whyte who married another of Ann's uncles, William Livingston, was the daughter of a James Whyte.

Ann's sister Jane married Thomas Black of Ballysadare. So my grandfather told my mother he had Black cousins and White cousins and cousins who were Uncles.

Cheers

Linda

Linda
Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: Andalula on Wednesday 17 October 18 04:46 BST (UK)
Just go to the sligolibrary.ie home page and search Ships

Thank you much
-J
Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: Andalula on Wednesday 17 October 18 04:52 BST (UK)
Ships sailed from Sligo to Liverpool
See just under the gold frame
http://www.sligolibrary.ie/media/SligoLibrary/Sligo400documents/PORT%20(5).pdf (http://www.sligolibrary.ie/media/SligoLibrary/Sligo400documents/PORT%20(5).pdf)

Thanks, Sinann
Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: duinnsleibhe on Wednesday 19 December 18 07:33 GMT (UK)
I have not been able to find exactly where George lived as the placename I was given was Mentuagh.

Could it be Montiagh?
In the parish of Achonry
Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: lmgnz on Friday 21 December 18 07:17 GMT (UK)
Hi

Yes Montiagh seems very likely and I think I have come across that location before in connection to someone in my tree.

Thank you and Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: duinnsleibhe on Friday 21 December 18 07:39 GMT (UK)
Yes Montiagh seems very likely....
Thank you and Merry Christmas.

Glad to have been able to given a little confirmation perhaps.

Merry Christmas to you too.  :)
Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: shume on Friday 21 December 18 09:46 GMT (UK)
I've tried Sligo Library, search ships and still get Error message
shume
Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: duinnsleibhe on Friday 21 December 18 09:58 GMT (UK)
I've tried Sligo Library, search ships and still get Error message
shume

From the first reply in this thread as a cue...

I could find this:

sligolibrary.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/6-PORT-5.pdf

Above pdf came from link on this page:
http://sligolibrary.ie/welcome-3/local-studies-and-reference/sligoe-400/



Couldn't find any details of particular vessels/voyages though....

Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: c.stenson on Friday 27 May 22 09:47 BST (UK)
James Whyte (father of Maria Whyte) is my 4x great grandfather, does anyone have information on the origins of the family?  James Whyte ended up in Coolaney, Sligo married to Catherine Middleton, all of his children married and moved to Montiagh (I still live near this area).
I originally believed James Whyte (b.1790) came down from the north - possibly Derry to Coolaney.  But I think now that it was the generation before him.
This isn't a fact but I assume George Whyte (m. Ann Levingston) is the nephew of James Whyte.
 George Whytes father is John Whyte (of Coolaney)
Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: lmgnz on Sunday 28 August 22 14:14 BST (UK)
Hi C Stenson

Sorry I had not earlier noticed your post in May about the Whyte family.

I have looked up the marriage of Maria Whyte and William Livingston and it does confirm that Maria was from Montiagh, daughter of James. William was from Rathbarron son of Thomas. The farmhouse Thomas lived in is just down the road from the Rathbarron Presbyt Church.

Thomas Livingston was my 3x gt grandfather.

So Maria was in Montiagh in 1854.

George Whyte b c1848 (son of John) who married Wiliam's niece Anne Livingston in 1869 was from  Montiagh.

I have William's date of death at Sagara as in your tree (though I see I had not put the exact date). Mary recorded his death. 

I do not have her date of death and I notice you do not have it either. So the date of birth I have given her a DOB of c 1823, is just a guess. And possibly due to poor arithmetic.

I notice that William Livingston's age is give as 25 on the 1854  marriage but Maria is "full age". I can never decide what full age actually was back then (21 or 25) but mostly use 25. Anyway Maria could be a sister of Georg'e Whyte's father John. 

I am sorry but I do not have any further information on the Whyte family and my local knowledge is somewhat affected by distance ( NZ being on the other side of the world). It is my Livingstone cousin at Cuiltybar who dug up the Sagara information from local records.

Cheers

Linda

Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: lmgnz on Sunday 28 August 22 14:40 BST (UK)
I have just tried to find Sagara on Griffith's Valuation but cannot find it by browsing even though I have found Sagura. Montiagh on the modern map corresponds to Sargirra on the historic map.

I did find a Mary White with 24 acres in Montiagh, and Richard White with 1 acre adjacent.

Haven't looked in the Tithes.
Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Sunday 28 August 22 14:45 BST (UK)

I notice that William Livingston's age is give as 25 on the 1854  marriage but Maria is "full age". I can never decide what full age actually was back then (21 or 25) but mostly use 25. Anyway Maria could be a sister of Georg'e Whyte's father John. 


Full Age was 21 yrs and over.

Here's the link to the 1854 marriage-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1854/09479/5435233.pdf

...and the townland of Montiagh linked as well-
https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/leyny/achonry/achonry-west/montiagh/



Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: lmgnz on Sunday 28 August 22 15:02 BST (UK)
Thank you KG.

Sagura Montiach corresponds to Sargirra. There was supposed to be a comma after Sagura not a full stop.

I have now looked for Whites in the Tithes and there is a John White at Tobercorry, Achonry in 1827 and another in Tulicusheen in Achonry.
Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: Maiden Stone on Sunday 28 August 22 18:33 BST (UK)
Would it be helpful to move posts about Whyte family of Sligo (reply #15 onwards) to a new thread with an appropriate title?
Title: Re: Sligo 1832
Post by: Maiden Stone on Sunday 28 August 22 18:53 BST (UK)

I know there was a cholera outbreak in Sligo in 1832 so I presume this was the reason for their move


"A Topographical Dictionary of Ireland" by Samuel Lewis, published 1837 County Sligo section mentions that typhus was endemic in Kilmacteige parish.
https://www.libraryireland.com/topog/S/Sligo-Society.php
Links to other topics about Sligo at foot of page.

County Sligo in 1830s. A short version from same source.
https://irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/history-and-genealogy/timeline/county-sligo-1830s

"Ireland Before the Famine"
https://irishhistorian.com/IrishFamineTimeline.html
1833 a Royal Commission was set up to enquire into the condition of the poorer classes. Estimated more than 2 million people in Ireland were out of work and needing assistance for more than 30 weeks a year.   
 Outcome was Irish Poor Law Bill 1837.