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Title: Signature 1838 PARLIAMENTARIAN Deciphered Solved ✔ COTTENHAM
Post by: 001uk on Friday 16 September 16 11:11 BST (UK)
SIGNATURE help, please
 
Hello!

Any ideas please as to the identity of this signature, please?

1838 SIGNATURE on ''Free Frank'' envelope.

Addressee: G RAWSON Esq., Solicitor, Nottingham"

This FREE posting system was allowed for Members of Parliament and specified Officers of State (until 1840). Earlier the senders' seal had to be recognizable but later their signature was made necessary. The seal on the reverse has been removed! Nothing on the reverse to be of help.
 
With thanks~001uk
Title: Re: Signature 1838 PARLIAMENTARIAN Decipher help please!
Post by: Woodsend17 on Friday 16 September 16 11:16 BST (UK)
Looks like Caterham to me.
Title: Re: Signature 1838 PARLIAMENTARIAN Decipher help please!
Post by: 001uk on Friday 16 September 16 11:50 BST (UK)
Looks like Caterham to me.

Not sure. The initial letter is certainly a 'C'. I feel the second letter might be an 'o' then an 'l' ie COLTERHAM?
Title: Re: Signature 1838 PARLIAMENTARIAN Decipher help please!
Post by: mazi on Friday 16 September 16 13:48 BST (UK)
It may be of little use but the ones I have are signed with an initial as well as surname.

Bishops signed with just the name of their "see", peers of the realm generally with the lace their peerage was named after,  eg Lord Jones of Hackney should sign   Hackney.

Others may have more examples to disprove this :)

Mike
Title: Re: Signature 1838 PARLIAMENTARIAN Decipher help please!
Post by: ScouseBoy on Friday 16 September 16 13:55 BST (UK)
It may be of little use but the ones I have are signed with an initial as well as surname.

Bishops signed with just the name of their "see", peers of the realm generally with the lace their peerage was named after,  eg Lord Jones of Hackney should sign   Hackney.

Others may have more examples to disprove this :)

Mike
The only problem with that,  is you may get two people with the same place name, such as the bishop of Liverpool and Lord Liverpool

Name could be  Cheltenham  do you think ?
Title: Re: Signature 1838 PARLIAMENTARIAN Decipher help please!
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Friday 16 September 16 14:24 BST (UK)
Don't know if connected but there is a George Rawson solicitor, see link

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01iht/

Also same namesake, age circa 30, solicitor.  1841 St Peters parish Notts

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7S4-87G

Cas
Title: Re: Signature 1838 PARLIAMENTARIAN Decipher help please!
Post by: Redroger on Friday 16 September 16 14:30 BST (UK)
This will probably be a peer giving a surname only, and most likely one with a Nottingham area seat or connection. See what I can do.
Title: Re: Signature 1838 PARLIAMENTARIAN Decipher help please!
Post by: Redroger on Friday 16 September 16 14:40 BST (UK)
The only Lord Caterham I can find is an Agatha Christie character, but she must have dredged him up from somewhere
Title: Re: Signature 1838 PARLIAMENTARIAN Decipher help please!
Post by: despair on Friday 16 September 16 20:33 BST (UK)
Could it possibly be Cottenham?There was a Charles Pepys 1st Earl (Lord) Cottenham,sometime Lord Chancellor(connection with legal profession?) in Parliament at this time,though it would have to be checked when his title was granted with resect to 1838.

Regards
Roger
Title: Re: Signature 1838 PARLIAMENTARIAN Decipher help please!
Post by: Drosybont on Friday 16 September 16 21:53 BST (UK)
Looks like Cottenham to me.  According to wiki Charles Christopher Pepys was elevated to the peerage as Baron Cottenham of Cottenham in the County of Cambridge when he became Lord Chancellor in January 1836.

Drosybont
Title: Re: Signature 1838 PARLIAMENTARIAN Decipher help please!
Post by: Trishanne on Friday 16 September 16 22:17 BST (UK)
Could it possibly be Chesham. There was a Liberal MP at this time, Charles Compton Cavendish, 1st Baron Chesham. The only thing is he was MP for East Sussex  & Buckinghamshire, so no direct connection with Nottingham.
Title: Re: Signature 1838 PARLIAMENTARIAN Decipher help please!
Post by: Treetotal on Friday 16 September 16 23:33 BST (UK)
Could it possibly be Cottenham?There was a Charles Pepys 1st Earl (Lord) Cottenham,sometime Lord Chancellor(connection with legal profession?) in Parliament at this time,though it would have to be checked when his title was granted with resect to 1838.

Regards
Roger

That would get my vote too...and the dates seem to fit too.
Carol
Title: Re: Signature 1838 PARLIAMENTARIAN Deciphered ✔ COTTENHAM
Post by: 001uk on Saturday 17 September 16 09:41 BST (UK)
Could it possibly be Cottenham?There was a Charles Pepys 1st Earl (Lord) Cottenham,sometime Lord Chancellor(connection with legal profession?) in Parliament at this time,though it would have to be checked when his title was granted with resect to 1838.

Regards
Roger
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Hi Roger,

Many thanks for your suggestion which I think is CORRECT! Well done. Looking at it again I agree that 3rd letter to be an uncrossed 't'. COTTENHAM it is !
Thanks to everyone else for their comments & interest.