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Help needed please, with identifying Mary Ann.
In 1881, John BALL, is married to a Mary, born Priddy, c 1854
Registration district:
Wells
ED, institution, or vessel:
15
Piece:
2410
Folio:
66
Page Number:
18
John Ball 29
Mary Ball 27
Emily Ball 4
Elizabeth Ball 2
In 1891, they are still in Wells, Mary A. born Priddy, c 1854
In 1901, they are still in Wells, Mary A, c1853, Wells.
In 1911 , they are still in Wells. ( Registration district:
Wells Registration District Number:
313 Sub-registration district:
Wells ED, institution, or vessel:
9 Household schedule number:
32 Piece: 14523 )
Mary A, born Priddy, they have been married, 30 years, which gives marriage date c 1881.
But, in 1881, they have 2 children, Emily Jane ( Wells c 1877 ) and Elizabeth Ann ( Wells c 1879 ).
Both girls Baptised in 1884, with other siblings.
I need help please, finding the marriage for John and Mary Ann and the births for Emily J and Elizabeth A., please. ( Was John married previously ? ). John is unmarried, living with his parents, in 1871.
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The only Emily Jane b c 1877 and Elizabeth Ann c 1879 born Wells that could be linked have surname Hill on Freebmd?
Keyboard86
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Hello
The marriage appears to be in 1880 at bath to a Mary Anne Wyburn .the later census shows they were married in that year.
Trying to find her on earlier census.
Lee
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The only Emily Jane b c 1877 and Elizabeth Ann c 1879 born Wells that could be linked have surname Hill on Freebmd?
Keyboard86
Odd but both those girls names were registered 1877 and 1879 Axbridge as well maybe a coincidence!
But a Mary A b c 1854 Priddy who could have married John Ball still searching!
Keyboard86
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Hello
The emily jane hill born 1877 is on the census with parents .
Looks like mary a ball died in 1928 . The date of birth 1855 tallies with the birth of mary anna wyburn.
There is only one mary anna wyburn in the area and she is with parents up to 1871 but disappears by 1881 making that marriage more certain.
Lee
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Hi ok will run with this Mary Ann Wyburn was she the one with parents Henry John Wyburn Mother Caroline but born Taunton?
Still leaves the two girls on 1881 pre marriage?
Keyboard86
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I think Mary Anna Wyburn actually married Francis James George 7 Sept 1880 , Walcot St Andrew, Somerset.
William
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Emily Jane HILL, 1877 Axbridge, could possibly be..
Birth date 10 Aug 1877 Emily Jane, baptised Theale 23 Nov 1879, dau of George and Martha of Panborough. ( Theale being a Chapelry of Wedmore ) ?.
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Mary Anne Wyburn
abt 1855
Father Henry John Wyburn
Walcot St Andrew, Somerset, England, 1880
Francis James Ivary George
Thank you William.
John Ball
abt 1820
Walcot St Andrew, Somerset, England, 1880
Lora St Lo Elisabeth Wilkinson
I think, we can rule out the 1880 Bath Marriage, now.
Back to searching.
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The only Emily Jane b c 1877 and Elizabeth Ann c 1879 born Wells that could be linked have surname Hill on Freebmd?
Keyboard86
and a Mary Anne HILL was baptised at Priddy in 1855. (Family abode Wells St Cuthbert Out Parish.)
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A possible? Bristol April - June 1883 John Ball and Mary Ann Hill are among the names.
William
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Thank you DRH.
We have found her and traced the family, but loose her after 1871, when she is living with her married sister Caroline and another sister and her Grandmother Elizabeth.
Thank you also William, found the FreeBMD ref in 1883, but not having luck finding a Parish Record for it ( as we did in Bath ).
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The other two names showing in the 1883 Bmd are John Hillier Goodland and Celia May Bailey. A couple of trees on Ancestry have married John Hillier Goodland off to Mary Ann Hill. However as far as I can see this is contradicted in the 1891 census where we have a Celia Goodland aged 27, a widow, with two children, Fred and Emily, living in Bristol with her parents James and Mary Bailey.
William
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Thank you William, we were having difficulty finding John Hillier Goodman on a census, to find his partner.
Found Celia and the children.
Also a Baptism, for Frederick James Goodland, 1891 Bristol
Father:
John Hillier Goodland
Mother:
Celia May Goodland
Leaving a John BALL marrying a Mary Ann HILL, to investigate further.
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Scenario could be ...
In 1877, Mary Ann Hill, single woman gives birth to Emily Jane HILL
In 1879, Mary Ann Hill, single woman gives birth to Elizabeth Ann HILL
She meets John Ball and lives with him as man and wife on census in 1881, the 2 girls listed as BALL.
The couple have a child Harry Edwin 1881
Marry in Bristol in June Q 1883
Have another child, Sarah Frances in Dec Q 1883.
The 4 children all Baptised, 15 May 1884.
Meanwhile, still searching.
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Excellent summation, Firestorm and a believable hypothesis. I suspect that the only way of "proving" it is from the actual certs.
William
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Thank you all for your help.
About to go away for a few weeks tomorrow night, so something to consider, when we get back.
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:)
A quick update.
Before we went away, I sent an e mail, to Bristol Registry office, explaining my dilemma and asked if they could help identifying John Ball for me.
I have received, this reply.
Based on the information provided I believe that the record I have located is the one you have been looking for.
Thank you all for your help.