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Need help finding this marriage and/or birth records for them both. I have all the info on their children already. Married in Goondiwindi QLD.
Trying to trace how this family got to Australia. Their daughter Jessie was my great-grandmother.
Thanks in advance.
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Hi there,
may I ask if perhaps .... ummm..... the surnames are back to front .... perhaps Donald McCOLL and Annie Lavinia/Levinia COWELL ....
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=marriages
JM
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marriage in 1907 on that Qld BDM live link. Ref C848, (C meaning not registered in Brisbane)
for Annie Levina COWELL and Donald MCCOLL
available to download the image via your plastic card.
JM
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If you have the children's information then one of their birth certs should say where the parents were born and how long they have been in Australia.
The marriage cert should tell us the parents' names and then possible births could be found for them. There are couple of possibilities in NSW, and as they were married in a border town, I wouldn't discount the possibility.
Actually, do you not have their death certificates?
Jamjar
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Dungog Chronicle Sat 29 May 1948
DONALD McCOLL
Death occurred at his home at Dungog on Tuesday of Mr. Donald McColl, at the age of 70 years. Deceased was a retired station manager. He was born at Gundy near Scone. The late Mr. McColl, at the age of 36, married Miss Annie Lavinia Cowell at Goondiwindi. He is survived by his wife, sons Donald and Ernest, and daughters Jessie and Jean. Deepest sympathy is extended to the bereaved in their sad loss. The funeral took place at the Dungog cemetery on Wednesday in the Presbyterian portion. Rev. A. Brown conducted the service, and Mr. James Fleming was the undertaker.
NSW BMD has Annie's Death:
MCCOLL ANNIE LAVINA 53371/1973 GEORGE EDWARD - MARY ELIZABETH – PARRAMATTA
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Ryerson has:
McCOLL Annie Lavina Death notice 24APR1973 Death late of Blacktown, formerly of Bellata and Dungog Sydney Morning Herald 25 APR 1973
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Donald's death:
9491/1948 MCCOLL DONALD parents John and Mary DUNGOG
Annie birth:
23245/1884 COWELL ANNIE L parents George E and Mary A INVERELL
Siblings of Annie:
20877/1874 George Frederick WELLINGROVE
21261/1875 Arthur George T WELLINGROVE
22342/1877 Walter J WELLINGROVE
23970/1878 Albert E WELLINGROVE
19856/1882 George Sydney INVERELL
21272/1887 Ruby M GLEN INNES
J.
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Good finds Bootzy :)
Death notice for Annie (in 2 parts sorry)
Probate for Donald McCOLL
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/donald-mccoll-date-death-25051948-granted-10021949
Can photograph this for you next time I am there if you wish
Ros
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Death notice for Donald
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18073449
Ros
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That has him with two different ages, 70 and 77.
This is the only birth I can see with him at age 77:
17331/1871 Donald MCCOLL parents John and Janet Scone
Jamjar
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Could this be the marriage of Annie's parents? (in 1872)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article188988891
Marriages.
At Sutton, near Armidale, on the 15th January by
the Rev. Wm. Moore, Mr George Cowell, sad-,
dler, of Inverell, native of Sydney, to Mary Ann,
eldest daughter of Mr. William Williams, of
Sutton, and a native of the Clarence -
NSW BDM
1411/1872 George COWELL and Mary A WILLIAMS Armidale
Ros
(well-spotted Jamjar :))
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That has him with two different ages, 70 and 77.
This is the only birth I can see with him at age 77:
17331/1871 Donald MCCOLL parents John and Janet Scone
Jamjar
I think the obit has his age at 76 (if you look at the newspaper) but it has been interpreted as 70
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article136169421
Ros
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Jessie's engagement http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article117164873 (just in case you don't have it)
Ros
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Yes, Ros that was clearer for his age.
Think it will take his marriage cert to work out who Donald's his mother was.
J.
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Death of Annie’s Mother?
SMH Tue 20 Dec 1927
COWELL.-December 10, 1927. at her residence, Alpine Flats, North Sydney, Mary A.,. wife of George E. Cowell, late of Goondiwindi, and mother of Nurse Cowell, aged 8O years.
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Sorry - already posted
Annie's birth:
NSW 1884 # 23245, registered at Inverell
Annie L COWELL
Parents: George E Cowell, Mary A
I am not seeing a Qld or NSW birth reg for Donald.
Judith
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NSW Electoral Roll 1902 HUNTER, Polling at Gundy
Duncan MCCOLL, labourer
Hugh MCCOLL, labourer
NSW ER 1878, UPPER HUNTER, Scone Police District
Duncan MCCOLL, freehold, Page’s Creek
Hugh MCCOLL, freehold, Isis River
NSW ER 1870 UPPER HUNTER, Scone Police District
Duncan MCCOLL, freehold, Pages’s Creek
Hugh MCCOLL, freehold, Page’s River
John MCCOLL, freehold, senior, Page’s River
John MCCOLL, freehold, junior, Page’s Creek
Grevilles Post Office directory 1875, GUNDY
Hugh MCCOLL, farmer
Mrs Mary MCCOLL,
I wonder if the Donald’s ancestors on the McCOLL line had arrived per the Blonde, 27 December 1849
Donald, 43, quarryman, of Appin, Argyleshire, C of E, can read
Mary 40, farm servant, of Appin, Argyleshire, C of E, can read and write,
Ewen 21, farm servant (son), Appin, Argyleshire, CofE read/write
Duncan 15, Shepherd, (son), Appin, Argyleshire, CofE read/write
John 13, son, Appin, Argyleshire, CofE, read/write
Mary 11, daughter, Appin, Argyleshire, CofE, read
Catherine 4, daughter, Appin, Argyleshire, CofE, neither R/Write
http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?series=NRS5316&item=4_4786&ship=Blonde
Perhaps Donald (husband of Annie) was his 'middle' name ....
JM
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The only Mary having children in Scone is married to Duncan. They have 6 children from 1861-1871.
John and Janet had 8 children from 1866 -1884. One of which was Eion Argyle. ;)
Hugh and Isabella 7 children from 1863 - 1871
J.
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Off Ryerson:
McCOLL Donald Death notice 25 MAY 1948 Death 77 late of Dungog Sydney Morning Herald 02 JUN 1948
NSW BMD has MCCOLL DONALD 9491/1948 JOHN – MARY - DUNGOG
I would be following John & Mary...
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Mary RAE and Duncan MCCOLL married in 1855, Presbyterian, Hunter region.
NSW BDM has it as Line 456 of Volume 82, "PC" district.
The only Mary having children in Scone is married to Duncan. They have 6 children from 1861-1871.
JM
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Here's the obit for a Mary McCOLL, wife of John McCOLL and with a son Donald. But it is in Eltham, Vic ??
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56736359
I guess it'a a long shot with such common names as Mary and John
Ros
adding : No it says Mary lived most of her life in Eltham and Donald's obit says he was born near Scone so most unlikely
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Probate notice for Duncan the elder, 2nd last column:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01if3/
Jamjar
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Bootzy if you look at an earlier post of mine - #6 - you will see that I have that BDM death registration already listed.
The point being that a birth can't be found to match.
From experience I have found that the birth registrations are more reliable than the death registrations. The reason being that births tend to be registered by the parents while deaths are often registered by relatives.
Jamjar
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There's a deceased estate file for Mary McCOLL of Gundy died 27/11/1890 granted 1891
Here is probate notice in 1892 (?) - she is a widow
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article161606648
There is also a deceased estate for an H. McColl who died in Gundy 1905
http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/keyname.aspx
Ros
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Although only speculation, I wonder if whoever registered the death mistakingly gave the wife's mother's name, which was Mary.
I've been fighting the urge to buy the marriage cert myself. ;D
Jamjar
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I've been fighting the urge to buy the marriage cert myself. ;D
I went looking for my plastic card and then remembered that the OP has not confirmed my initial reply....
may I ask if perhaps .... ummm..... the surnames are back to front .... perhaps Donald McCOLL and Annie Lavinia/Levinia COWELL ....
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=marriages
JM
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Yes, a wait it is. :D
Meanwhile, Duncan's headstone at Gundy:
http://austcemindex.com/inscription?id=5865134#images
Added: May as well just list the index as there are others throughout:
http://austcemindex.com/?family_name=McColl&state=NSW
Daughter Jessie on this on:
http://austcemindex.com/?family_name=Hulbert&state=NSW
J.
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There's a deceased estate file for Mary McCOLL of Gundy died 27/11/1890 granted 1891
Here is probate notice in 1892 (?) - she is a widow
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article161606648
There is also a deceased estate for an H. McColl who died in Gundy 1905
http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/keyname.aspx
Ros
A few McColl burials at Gundy Cemetery confirms some details.
MacColl, Donald born Sep?1788 died 23 Aug 1872 aged 83 son/Duncan & Catherine; b. Argyleshire, Scotland Gundy Anglican NSW .
McColl, Duncan born 1834? died 28 Feb 1914 aged 79 son/Donald & Mary; hus of Mary Gundy NSW
McColl Hugh, born 1858? died 11 Sep 1905 aged 47 son/Duncan & Mary Gundy NSW.
Sue