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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: rea1 on Sunday 04 September 16 16:12 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help me, I have tried with no success to trace my maternal granddad. My grandma died in 1958 when I was 5, and my late mum just said her dad died years ago and his name was Richard, that's as much as I got from her. My granddads name was Richard Barry, he married my grandma Mary Jane Dalby in ?? I know from the 1911 census my grandma was 24, still single and living at home with her mum and sister, so she must have married after then, but doesn't say where. Prior to that on the 1901 she was definitely with them living in Lower Wortley Leeds. My aunt was Born in 1914 my mum in 1919, so my grandparents must have married between 1911 and 1913/14. Iv not been able to find any trace of him at all, and know nothing accept his name and he was down as deceased on my grandmas death certificate. Appreciate any help.
Liz
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This looks like their marriage Mary J Dalby Oct-Dec 1913 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding
Spouse Richard Barry
Rosie
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Marriages Dec 1913 From Freebmd
Barry Richard Dalby
Dalby Mary J Barry
Bradford 9b 360
Sorry Rosie, didn't see your post
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Have you tried looking for the family in the 1939 register, that would tell you whether or not he was still alive then?
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Thank you groom/Rosie....every bit helps. My grandma was born in Wisby Bradford. I'v just to find his death now.
Liz :)
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I'll check groom, thanks again.
Liz :)
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Have you tried looking for the family in the 1939 register, that would tell you whether or not he was still alive then?
If I've got the right family on the 1939 register, then there is no Richard Barry with Mary Jane Barry (bn 1886), Leeds C B
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Looking at Freebmd there are no Richard Barry deaths in Yorkshire between 1919 and 1939. I wonder if he left the family rather than died, hence the reluctance to talk about him?
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I was wondering that too, Groom. I think the marriage cert would be useful, especially as you have no idea as to Richard's age or profession e.g. if he was a seaman, he might feasibly have died at sea etc.
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Have you tried looking for the family in the 1939 register, that would tell you whether or not he was still alive then?
If I've got the right family on the 1939 register, then there is no Richard Barry with Mary Jane Barry (bn 1886), Leeds C B
Free index has Mary J & daughters (Mary B & Margaret) in Leeds.
I wonder if he died in WW1 :-\
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I wonder if he died in WW1 :-\
I don't think so as a daughter was born Dec quarter 1919.
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Nothing sticks out on cwgc site for a likely death in WW1.
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I wonder if he died in WW1 :-\
I don't think so as a daughter was born Dec quarter 1919.
Looking at her birth date it would have been tight ;D
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I was wondering that too, Groom. I think the marriage cert would be useful, especially as you have no idea as to Richard's age or profession e.g. if he was a seaman, he might feasibly have died at sea etc.
Definitely the marriage certificate to get birth year and occupation
Rosie
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Thanks Rosie, spidermonkey etc. It's def my grandma, aunt and my mum Rosie....those are their names. Yes your all right I need to try get certificates. Bugs you when you don't know what happened too them, he could have left and started a whole new family. My grandma, mum and aunt have all died and there is no one left to ask.
:'(
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Let us know if you get the marriage certificate :)
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Will do Rosie and thanks again. I'v just been doing my homework and my aunt the oldest out of her and my mum was born 24th May 1914, my grandparents married Dec 1913....so obviously had to. My mum was born Oct 1919, so unless there where children who had passed away in between-non were ever mentioned by my mum/aunt, and non came after...it maybe a case of he just upped and left.
Liz
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Do you have your mothers birth certificate as that should give his occupation
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I'v just been doing my homework and my aunt the oldest out of her and my mum was born 24th May 1914, my grandparents married Dec 1913....so obviously had to. My mum was born Oct 1919, so unless there where children who had passed away in between-non were ever mentioned by my mum/aunt, and non came after...it maybe a case of he just upped and left.
It could be they had to get married young, then he went off to fight in WW1. He returned and your Mum was born, but they then decided they couldn't live together. You don't know how WW1 affected him. Have you got your Mum's birth certificate, what does it say on that?
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My grandma was 26 when she got pregnant/married. My mums birth certificate gives his name and occupation warehouse driver. I'll have to do some more digging, yes no what you mean re war, my dad signed up when he was 17-lied about his age, fought through world war 2 and came home after the war was over...it had it's affect on him, and I know how to press a pair of trousers with a razor sharp crease and polish shoes/boots till they gleam :)
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There's a newspaper article (Yorkshire post and Leeds intelligence, 10 Mar 1922) in which a Richard Barry age 43 of Wallace St, New Wortley pleaded guilty to stealing about 14lbs of ham from his employers and was jailed for 2 weeks.
Since this gives New Wortley as the address, I wonder if it was him?
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Ooooooh i'll check this out Annie, thank you. I'v managed to get hold of my grandmas death certificate (1958) and it says on there that she is the wife/widow....so seems he left or she got rid of him. If this is him, she was a church goer, didn't drink-signed the pledge etc, so if he got in trouble it's possible she got rid. No aristocrats, royalty or millionaires in my ancestors ha ha x
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The employers concerned were Leigh Lineham and co (Ltd) which turns out to have been a warehouse, which would ft with your grandfather's occupation on his marriage cert.
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I checked Annie and it is him. My cousin who is 10yr older than me said" it all fits, the old devil". My mum barely remembered him-she was only 4 at the time. So looks as though he did a disappearing act-wonder where he got too!!!!.
Thanks again for your help-first bit of info iv been able to get re him.
:)
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I had a look on the usual resources and can't see him after this date. He could have changed his name, emigrated---
But at least now you know that he was alive in 1922, and there's a clearer idea of his year of birth to aid searches.
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A BIG thanks again Annie for your help. I'll keep searching.
Liz
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A few more details to add to the picture
Electoral roll for Arnley 1920, 21 & 22;
5 Wallace Street
Barry, Mary Jane
Barry, Richard
After 1922 it seems Mary Jane is on her own.
Absent Voters list 1918 West Leeds
5 Wallace Street
Barry, Richard - 2nd South Staffs. Regt.
There only appears to be one medal card for a Richard Barry in the South Staffs regiment. Private 41846 awarded Victory & British medals.
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Wow, thanks scoop that's a bit more info I have of him. That's what I like re this site-the help others give you. :)
BIG thanks again
Liz
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So it certainly looks as though the court appearance/conviction was either the cause of the marital breakdown, or maybe the straw that broke the camel's back as far as Mary Jane was concerned!
I don't suppose you can be sure, but it's nice to have one piece of the jigsaw fitting reasonably snugly :)
Thinking about where he might have gone after that. Do you have any idea where he was from in the first place? Any likely candidates from the previous censuses?
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I know Annie, my grandma would never have put up with that-It's not as if they needed the money from the ham. I'v got some pics of grandma, mum and her sister and their dressed so lovely, mum said they always had a lovely home and wanted for nothing. Her great granddad was a master joiner and had his own business, and her granddad worked for him.
I'v no idea where he was from....never mentioned, and not been able to find anything on previous censuses.
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If you get the marriage certificate it should help us move things on.