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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: essexdavid on Friday 02 September 16 18:41 BST (UK)
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While browsing the censuses for people in an old album of post cards , I came across the entry
" occupier dead ". I've never seen this before and wonder how it came about and how the enumerator gained this information. Has anyone come across it ?
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to give the reference but can provide it in a personal message if anyone is interested.
David
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Hi you are allowed to give the reference?
Keyboard86
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The census ref for 1901 is RG13 4076
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The census ref for 1901 is RG13 4076
;D The census ref goes RG13/ Piece Number 4076 Folio? Page?
Keyboard86
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Maybe the person had just died and was still at home on census night, often a person would have been at home between death and funeral, with family etc staying with the coffin.
If that was the case someone corpse sitting probably told him (either on the form or to their face)
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Keyboard - my ignorance showing , but where is the Folio number to be found ? Also, the page as printed on the census form differs slightly from the page number shown at the bottom of the census image.
Iolaus - you may be right but if so, the corpse sitters weren't included in the household .
This particular enumerator elsewhere shows a property as " new tenant moving in shortly " !
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Hi they should follow the RG13/4076?
If not give an easily searched name on the same page, year of birth/ place of birth?
Keyboard86
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Keyboard - my ignorance showing , but where is the Folio number to be found ? Also, the page as printed on the census form differs slightly from the page number shown at the bottom of the census image.
If you are on Ancestry, when on the census image press "S" ;D
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Thanks K Garrad .............as if by magic !
it's RG13; Piece: 4076; Folio: 152; Page: 20
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You will see thhat it is Schedule 138. The census schedules were distributed the week before census night, and each schedule was numbered. The enumerator had a "Memorandum Book" in which he noted the address at which schedule was left. When he collected the schedules on the Monday, enumeration day, he would go to each address. At that address he would be told by a neighbour that the occupier had died, and the schedule had not been filled in. As he had to account for each schedule he had noted in his return that the occupier had died.
Stan
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For the 1901 Census the Enumerators were allowed to commence delivery of their schedules on Monday March 25th, delivery to be completed by Saturday March 30th. So some households had them for a week before the census. In the nature of things people would die before midnight of 31st March, if they lived alone then the schedule would not be filled in.
Stan
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You will see thhat it is Schedule 138. The census schedules were distributed the week before census night, and each schedule was numbered. The enumerator had a "Memorandum Book" in which he noted the address at which schedule was left. When he collected the schedules on the Monday, enumeration day, he would go to each address. At that address he would be told by a neighbour that the occupier had died, and the schedule had not been filled in. As he had to account for each schedule he had noted in his return that the occupier had died.
Stan
I suspect, though, that some enumerators would "cut corners" In any mass undertaking such as a Census, failures in administration should always be factored in, I believe.
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Thanks Stan, that gives a useful slant on how the census was undertaken. I imagine though that it could have resulted in some people being counted more than once. My paternal grandfather appears twice in the 1891 census in two places about 40 miles from each other.
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In recent Census they have conducted Audit and Control following several weeks or months after the main census.
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Thanks Stan, that gives a useful slant on how the census was undertaken. I imagine though that it could have resulted in some people being counted more than once. My paternal grandfather appears twice in the 1891 census in two places about 40 miles from each other.
My husband appears twice in the 1911 census because after the fact we discovered that his mum had put him on her schedule too ::)
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Thanks Stan, that gives a useful slant on how the census was undertaken. I imagine though that it could have resulted in some people being counted more than once. My paternal grandfather appears twice in the 1891 census in two places about 40 miles from each other.
As the census forms were distributed in the week before the census day, and could have been filled in at anytime assuming who would be in the house at mid-night on the Sunday. Therefore you sometimes get people enumerated twice, at their usual home and at a house they happened to be visiting. This is a fairly common event and has been mentioned before on RootsChat.
As for the "Occupier Dead" entry, even if he/she had filled in the schedule, if they were not alive at mid-night on the 31st March then the enumerator would ignore reject the schedule.
Stan
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That covers the night shift! ;D
Skoosh.
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Section 4.(5.) of the "Act for taking the Census for Great Britain in the year 1901. 63 Vict. c.4"
For the purposes of this section, a person who is travelling or at work on the night of the census day, and who returns to a house on the morning of the following day, shall be treated as abiding in that house on the night of the census day.
Stan