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Looking for information on James Beattie born abt 1834. His wifes name was Elizabeth Vaughan 1831-1908. They were married Killyleagh, County Down, Northern Ireland 1858. James died abt 1904.
Have no idea where either were born, just have marriage date. Thank you.
Sorry, messed up on date
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for reference
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZ9-WYJ
not sure if same couple
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGNQ-86G
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Elizabeth Vaughan 1803 to 1908 ?
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1901 Ireland Census has only 1 couple that matches?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton_Ward__Belfast/Old_Park__part_of_/978049/
But Elizabeth's age is way off - if you are correct that she was born in 1803, and still alive in 1901
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James Beattie married Elizabeth Vaughan on 7 August 1858 in Killyleagh 1st Presbyterian Church, both were full age (you can see a digitised image of an extract of the original certificate via the GRONI website, it is pay to view). Bachelor James was a labourer living in the townland of Barnamaghery, the son of William Beattie, a weaver. There's no guarantee his residence at the time of marriage was long term, however Griffith's Valuation shows a house in Barnamaghery occupied by a William Beatty (print date for that area was 1863), so just a possibility. Spinster Elizabeth was living in 'Killyleagh Mills', the daughter of David Vaughan, a labourer. The witnesses to the marriage were Samuel Jamison and George Vaughan. A George Vaughan married a Mary Graham in Killyleagh Presbyterian Church on 1 August 1859, his father was also called David, so just a chance he was a brother.
Tracking further back, eg. to when and where James and Elizabeth were born, may prove problematic, you are back to an era pre civil registration when church / other records and the information within them were scant.
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Sorry-made mistake on date but corrected it
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Elizabeth Vaughan 1803 to 1908 ?
1831
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Elizabeth Vaughan 1803 to 1908 ?
1831
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Gaffy-thank you for the information. Would it be possible to find out if William Beattie's wife was still alive and her name. Or info on deaths.
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Gaffy-thank you for the information. Would it be possible to find out if William Beattie's wife was still alive and her name. Or info on deaths.
Having checked unsuccessfully for a baptism for James Beattie, I don't know of any ready means to achieve this from the standpoint of the information contained in this topic. In addition to the pre civil registration caveat already posted, Beattie / Beatty is a very common surname in this context.
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1901 Ireland Census has only 1 couple that matches?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton_Ward__Belfast/Old_Park__part_of_/978049/
But Elizabeth's age is way off - if you are correct that she was born in 1803, and still alive in 1901
Is this the correct couple?
If so, James was born Co. Monaghan and wife Elizabeth in Fermanagh (with 10 year gap in ages).
If it's not them have you found them in 1901? (please post the link if have).
Where did Elizabeth die?
I can't see a death registration for an Elizabeth Beattie (or variations of that name) in 1908 with a birth year approx. 1831?
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1901 Ireland Census has only 1 couple that matches?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton_Ward__Belfast/Old_Park__part_of_/978049/
But Elizabeth's age is way off - if you are correct that she was born in 1803, and still alive in 1901
Is this the correct couple?
If so, James was born Co. Monaghan and wife Elizabeth in Fermanagh (with 10 year gap in ages).
If it's not them have you found them in 1901? (please post the link if have).
Where did Elizabeth die?
I can't see a death registration for an Elizabeth Beattie (or variations of that name) in 1908 with a birth year approx. 1831?
Made mistake-it should be 1831 and Elizabeth died in Scotland I think
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1901 Ireland Census has only 1 couple that matches?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton_Ward__Belfast/Old_Park__part_of_/978049/
But Elizabeth's age is way off - if you are correct that she was born in 1803, and still alive in 1901
Is this the correct couple?
If so, James was born Co. Monaghan and wife Elizabeth in Fermanagh (with 10 year gap in ages).
If it's not them have you found them in 1901? (please post the link if have).
Where did Elizabeth die?
I can't see a death registration for an Elizabeth Beattie (or variations of that name) in 1908 with a birth year approx. 1831?
I was told she might of died in Scotland
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1901 Ireland Census has only 1 couple that matches?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton_Ward__Belfast/Old_Park__part_of_/978049/
But Elizabeth's age is way off - if you are correct that she was born in 1803, and still alive in 1901
I believe this is the couple
Is this the correct couple?
If so, James was born Co. Monaghan and wife Elizabeth in Fermanagh (with 10 year gap in ages).
If it's not them have you found them in 1901? (please post the link if have).
Where did Elizabeth die?
I can't see a death registration for an Elizabeth Beattie (or variations of that name) in 1908 with a birth year approx. 1831?
Made mistake-it should be 1831 and Elizabeth died in Scotland I think
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Thank you everyone who is helping on this Beattie family. Also hoping to find information on James Beattie father William Beattie/Beatty and mother. If there was a William Beattie in Barnamaghery in 1863, would that be the same area that James married Elizabeth
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James Beattie
in the Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958
Record Image No Image
Text-only collection
Report issue
Name: James Beattie
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1904
Death Age: 70
Registration district: Belfast
Volume: 1
Page: 266
FHL Film Number: 101602
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James Beattie
in the Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958
Record Image No Image
Text-only collection
Report issue
Name: James Beattie
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1904
Death Age: 70
Registration district: Belfast
Volume: 1
Page: 266
FHL Film Number: 101602
Would this be the right James Beattie
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James Beattie
in the Web: Ireland, Calendar of Wills and Administrations, 1858-1920
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Name: James Beattie
Death Date: 18 Mar 1904
Death Place: Fermanagh
Primary Beneficiary: Thomas Moan
Not sure who is who or if the same
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You seem to be jumping all over the place once you find anyone named James or Elizabeth Beattie but still haven't indicated if the 1901 Belfast census record is for the correct couple :-\
Probate of the Will (with one Codicil) of James Beattie late of Follem Big County Fermanagh Farmer who died 18 March 1904 granted at Armagh to Thomas Moan Farmer.
You can view the wording of the Will (2 pages) rather than guessing-
http://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
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If you think Elizabeth Beattie died in Scotland have you not already tried to find her death on Scotland's People?
The James Beattie (above) that died in 1904 had wife named Catherine-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Dresternian/Pollun_Big/1362001/
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You seem to be jumping all over the place once you find anyone named James or Elizabeth Beattie but still haven't indicated if the 1901 Belfast census record is for the correct couple :-\
Probate of the Will (with one Codicil) of James Beattie late of Follem Big County Fermanagh Farmer who died 18 March 1904 granted at Armagh to Thomas Moan Farmer.
You can view the wording of the Will (2 pages) rather than guessing-
http://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
I am pretty sure this is the couple
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I am pretty sure this is the couple
Which doesn't make much sense as far as your earlier posts go :-\
If you are looking for the James Beattie and Elizabeth Vaughan who married in 1858 they CANNOT be the couple in the 1901 Belfast census.
James Beattie & Elizabeth Vaughan married in 1858 Killyleagh, Co. Down-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZ9-WYJ
In the 1901 census that Elizabeth is age 55 so born c1846, born in Fermanagh and seems to have a 14 year old daughter called Lizey which indicates they could NOT have been married in 1858-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton_Ward__Belfast/Old_Park__part_of_/978049
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I think you might need to start using Scotland's People (pay per view) to look for James Beattie & Elizabeth Vaughan in Scotland. Doing a parent search on Family Search brings up the following children-
Sarah born 1863 Dalry, Ayrshire - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYPZ-B5X
Catherine born 1870 Irvine, Ayrshire - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK3T-JHYV
At least one online tree gives James Beattie (c1837 Ireland-1906 Paisley) & Elizabeth )c1836 Ireland-1901 Paisley) with a total of 8 children.
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Sorry if I have been troublesome on here-it is just confusing to me and I am not good at this
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I have been told by family member that James died at Springbank Road, Paisley and Elizabeth at Westmarch Paisley 1901 and James 1906 but that is all they said
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Is Paisley in Scotland and not Ireland
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I just see now that you've already gotten help finding the Beatties in Ayrshire so I'll not be wasting any more time on this thread :-\
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754810.0