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Title: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: Woodsend17 on Wednesday 31 August 16 18:34 BST (UK)
My grandfather Edward Gittins b.1869 in Seacombe, Cheshire and Emma Billington b.1867
Christened in Bamber Bridge,Lancashire had three children but then Emma died in surgery
I believe. Edward later married my grand-mother Jane Lidderdale. I'm researching the descendants of Edward and Emma. I believe their children were born in Preston, Lancashire,
a boy and two girls.
My second cousin was working on the family tree but now I've lost contact with her, can't reach her by e-mail or phone. Ken Gittins, Ontario, Canada.
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 31 August 16 18:39 BST (UK)
From freebmd

Marriages March qtr 1887
Emma Billington        Bury    8c   568    
Edward Gittins on same page

The marriage was at Holy Trinity Bury

www.freebmd.org.uk
www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 31 August 16 18:42 BST (UK)
Possible death for Emma from freebmd

Deaths March qtr 1907 
Emma Gittins aged 39    Preston    8e   453
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 31 August 16 18:45 BST (UK)
Re-marriage from freebmd - he didn't hang around did he?

Marriages December qtr 1907 
Edward Gittins  Preston    8e   1099    
Jenney Lidderdale on same page        Preston    8e   1099

LancsBMD show it as a civil marriage
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 31 August 16 18:51 BST (UK)
The 1901 census shows 2 children - Lilian aged 13 b Bury and Edith aged 11 born Preston

The 1891 shows the same 2 children.  Suspect any other children were from the second marriage
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 31 August 16 18:54 BST (UK)
Freebmd has an Edith Gittins marriage in Preston in 1909 but can't see one for Lilian

Edith married Albert Livingstone Barlow

Lilian's birth was registered as Lily in the March qtr 1888

Think Edith only had one child to Albert - see freebmd.  Edith E Barlow b December qtr 1911 in Bury
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: Woodsend17 on Wednesday 31 August 16 20:01 BST (UK)
Hello Carole Thank you for your speedy reply, I'm new to RootsChat.Com so I need to learn how to trace ancestors. Do you have some interest in the Gittins ancestry ? I knew all of Edward and Jenny's children as they were brothers (6) and sister (1) of my dad, Joseph Stanley. Also there were two children who died in infancy. Jenny died in 1925 and Edward married for the third time
a women named Lavinia. Ken Gittins
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 31 August 16 20:36 BST (UK)
Looks like your Edward may still have been alive in 1939 -- an Edward Gittins, born 1868 in Preston

Strangely I cannot immediately see a death for Edward in the local area at the moment.

Moderator comment: 1939 register details removed
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 31 August 16 22:19 BST (UK)
Hi Ken

No connection - just trying to fill in some gaps for you.

The only living children who were born to Edward & Emma are the 2 girls, Lily & Edith.  They are the only ones who appear on the 1891 and 1901 censuses.  They may have had others who died in infancy between censuses. 

As you mention - Jane (Jenny) died 1925 aged 36 so not much younger than Emma
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 31 August 16 22:19 BST (UK)
I suspect Lillian is in Preston in 1911 - mistranscribed on Ancestry as Githens
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 31 August 16 22:28 BST (UK)
There is a marriage in Preston in 1932 - Edward Gittins to Ellen Eccles but nothing to a Lavinia
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 31 August 16 22:45 BST (UK)
If the 1932 marriage is correct - 3 children were born between 1932 - 1937.  2 girls and a boy
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 31 August 16 23:56 BST (UK)
There is a Lily Gittins marriage in 1912 to Frank Walker in Runcorn Cheshire at Runcorn All Saints

www.cheshirebmd.org.uk
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: lancsann on Thursday 01 September 16 14:32 BST (UK)
These are the 2 children who were born in Preston

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1889
Surname   Forename(s)   Sub-District   Registers At   Mother's Maiden Name   
GITTINS   James   St Peters   Preston   BILLINGTON   
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1890

Surname   Forename(s)   Sub-District   Registers At   Mother's Maiden Name   
GITTINS   Edith   St Peters   Preston   BILLINGTON

and Lily

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1888
Surname   Forename(s)   Sub-District   Registers At   Mother's Maiden Name   Reference
GITTINGS   Lily   Bury North   Bury   BILLINGTON
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: lancsann on Thursday 01 September 16 14:59 BST (UK)
I think this is probably Emma

Baptism: 26 May 1867 St Saviour, Bamber Bridge, Lancashire, England
Emma Billington - [Child] of James Billington & Lucy
    Abode: Cuerden
    Occupation: Spinning Master

In 1881 she was living in Cuerden with her mother Lucy And stepfather William Lancaster
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: lancsann on Thursday 01 September 16 16:07 BST (UK)
Edwards marriage to Lavinia?

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1940 (lancsbmd)
Surname   Forename(s)   Surname   Forename(s)   Church / Register Office   Registers At   Reference
GITTINS   Edward   BILLINGTON   Lavinia   Preston Register Office or Registrar Attended (ANESS)

Marriages Dec 1940   (freebmd)
Billington    Lavinia    Gittins    Amounderness    8e   1583    
Gittins    Edward    Billington    Amounderness    8e   1583    
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 01 September 16 17:55 BST (UK)
How on earth did I miss that marriage???

Lavinia re-married in 1955 to Charles Parkinson so Edward must have died between 1940-1955

A Lavinia Parkinson b 22.6.1906 died 1978 Preston.

If that's the right Lavinia Edward was 72 when they married and she was 34??

LancashireBMD shows her mothers maiden name was Rawcliffe

John James Billington married Mary Rawcliffe in 1904 Preston so I wonder if John was related to Emma Billington
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: Woodsend17 on Thursday 01 September 16 23:15 BST (UK)
Yes, Edward would have been about 72 when he and Lavinia got married. He was born in 1869 and died in 1949 to the best of my knowledge. I never met my grandfather as we lived in Hendon, N.W.London. It wasn't till the 50's I went with my parents to Preston and met many uncles, aunts & cousins. My father had six brothers and one sister. - Ken Gittins
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: lancsann on Friday 02 September 16 08:41 BST (UK)
Lavinia's father seems to have been born about the same time as Emma but was not her brother but they could have been cousins. Billington is a very common name in the Preston area.
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: sh123 on Monday 27 February 17 11:12 GMT (UK)
Hi Ken,

It is my understanding that the Gittens family of Carlow - Kilkenny Ireland are a native irish family - is there evidence of Cheshire origins?.

Laurence
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: Woodsend17 on Tuesday 28 February 17 14:02 GMT (UK)
Hello Laurence
My family tree dates back to 1535 when the name was spelled Gyttyns but it later changed to Gittins.
Our tree begins in Hawarden,  Flintshire which is next Cheshire. I believe some of the Gittins may have worked in a copper mine in Avoca, Co. Wicklow but that information is sketchy. My great grandfather William Gittins was born in Flintshire but lived in Cheshire, his wife was Ann Jane McCullough. Their son Edward was my grandfather and his second wife Jane Lidderdale was my grand
mother. They raised a family of seven boys and a girl in Preston, Lancashire. Your welcome to access my family tree. 
Regards, Ken Gittins
Title: Re: Edward Gittins,EmmaBillington
Post by: sh123 on Tuesday 28 February 17 20:43 GMT (UK)
Hello Ken,
 I had read a post elsewhere suggesting Edward son of Michael and Jane was baptized in Avoca,County Wicklow.
  I include a link below to County Carlow listing farmers liable for tithes [ church tax ].Laurence Gittins is mentioned.
 http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=gittins&firstname=&county=&parish=&townland=&search=Search
 Extended family in the same parish using the Gittens spelling are in the link below.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=gittens&firstname=&county=&parish=&townland=&search=Search

The surname in Ireland is common in counties Mayo and Sligo where families alternate between Gettins and Gethins.

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=gettins&firstname=&county=&townland=&parish=&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&pager.offset=10

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=gettins&firstname=&county=&townland=&parish=&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&pager.offset=10

Percy Gethins is mentioned for county Sligo.He descends from Sir Richard - see below.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?
id=NiVNAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA473&dq=sir+richard+gethins&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi4pOCD0LPSAhVMDcAKHdu9D9sQ6AEIIzAC#v=onepage&q=sir%20richard%20gethins&f=false

The Gethings spelling is most common in county Donegal and also in Carlow and Wexford.

Laurence