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General => Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing => Topic started by: anto97 on Wednesday 31 August 16 17:15 BST (UK)
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Some days ago, I read the following article and I found it interesting.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-kanalley/dna-testing-family-tree_b_1588028.html
That made me want to have a DNA testing. So, I would like to ask those who did that kind of tests, which one should I try in order to get results for my Family History Research?
Also, I would like to ask the following questions.
1. Which test should I try in order to track my father's origin?
2. Which test should I try in order to track my mother's origin?
3. What is a haplogroup and how can I track where it belongs?
Thank you and sorry for the long post! :)
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These questions have been answered many many times on these boards and a quick search would bring up the answers.
However briefly, there are three main types of tests
a) yDNA this test can be taken by males only and gives your direct male line ie father, grandfather, great grandfather etc.
b) mtDNA this test can be taken by males and females and gives your direct female line ie mother, grandmother, great grandmother etc.
c) autosomal DNA sometimes called family finder. This test looks across all your lines and is what is used to find relatives anywhere from your direct male to direct female lines and also to determine your ethnic origins however a word of warning the ethnic origins given in some cases amount to nothing more than badly researched guesses and so should not be taken to heart when they don't say what you want. This test is really only meaningful for about five generations back
Haplogroups are a way of classifying people by looking at mutations to see when one group of people diverged from another. These can be used to track the movements of people across the word
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup
There are a number of companies that do tests and prices and competence vary. Most companies do sales every so often. ftDNA.com have a sale at the moment but it closes 11.59pm (CST, Central Standard Time America) 31 August 2016
If you search the web (or wikipedia) you will find details of the companies and some comparison charts as to what tests they do)
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These questions have been answered many many times on these boards and a quick search would bring up the answers.
However briefly, there are three main types of tests
a) yDNA this test can be taken by males only and gives your direct male line ie father, grandfather, great grandfather etc.
b) mtDNA this test can be taken by males and females and gives your direct female line ie mother, grandmother, great grandmother etc.
c) autosomal DNA sometimes called family finder. This test looks across all your lines and is what is used to find relatives anywhere from your direct male to direct female lines and also to determine your ethnic origins however a word of warning the ethnic origins given in some cases amount to nothing more than badly researched guesses and so should not be taken to heart when they don't say what you want. This test is really only meaningful for about five generations back
Haplogroups are a way of classifying people by looking at mutations to see when one group of people diverged from another. These can be used to track the movements of people across the word
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup
There are a number of companies that do tests and prices and competence vary. Most companies do sales every so often. ftDNA.com have a sale at the moment but it closes 11.59pm (CST, Central Standard Time America) 31 August 2016
If you search the web (or wikipedia) you will find details of the companies and some comparison charts as to what tests they do)
Thanks for the reply. But what if I want to track my maternal grandfather's line? Or my paternal grandmother's line?
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Thanks for the reply. But what if I want to track my maternal grandfather's line? Or my paternal grandmother's line?
The test that would help with that is the autosomal (familyfinder) test described above
Just one word of caution it is not as easy as just taking the test you are also reliant on others having taken similar tests and being members of sites that share information and members can contact each other
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Thanks for the reply. But what if I want to track my maternal grandfather's line? Or my paternal grandmother's line?
The test that would help with that is the autosomal (familyfinder) test described above
Just one word of caution it is not as easy as just taking the test you are also reliant on others having taken similar tests and being members of sites that share information and members can contact each other
FTDNA sales an Autosomal DNA Testing for only $69 (I think this price is until today, from tomorrow it'll be $99).
One last question: Y-DNA testing mentions something about "markers" (37, 67, 111). What exactly are markers and which one is the better? What more does a Y-DNA or mt-DNA has more than the "FamilyFinder"?
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FTDNA sales an Autosomal DNA Testing for only $69 (I think this price is until today, from tomorrow it'll be $99).
One last question: Y-DNA testing mentions something about "markers" (37, 67, 111). What exactly are markers and which one is the better? What more does a Y-DNA or mt-DNA has more than the "FamilyFinder"?
The yDNA test is what gives your male haplogroup. The difference in the 37, 67 and 111 markers is how much of your data they test. The more that is tested the easier and more accurate it is to make matches with other people. Some people say the lowest level of use is 37 markers. I myself tested at 37 markers but then upgraded it to 67 markers (and three years later still have no near matches on my male line which was the reason I first tested).
The mtDNA gives you your maternal haplogroup.
If you are not interested in finding out what your haplogroups are you could just take the autosomal test
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The business of 12,37,67 or 111 markers is a bit like resolution on a digital camera, i.e. 12 markers will tell you whether you are related to someone within the past 1000 years or so but 37 markers will start to give useful estimates of when the common ancestor was and these estimates become more accurate as you increase the number of markers.
I would start with 37 markers and then increase to 67 or 111 if you want to once you have your results.
I tested to 111 markers first of all but later wished I had started off with just 37 markers
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Thank you for your replies. I decided to begin testing with my maternal grandfather. We decided that the best tests are the ones that FamilyTreeDNA.com offers. BUT... should he do all the tests (autosomal, Y-DNA and mtDNA) or he would find the same information with one of them, or two? (He wants to track his paternal and maternal line)
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"But what if I want to track my maternal grandfather's line?"
If your maternal grandfather had a son who had a son, use his DNA for the test.
Or my paternal grandmother's line?
If your paternal grandmother had a daughter, use the DNA of one of her children.
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Thank you for your replies. I decided to begin testing with my maternal grandfather. We decided that the best tests are the ones that FamilyTreeDNA.com offers. BUT... should he do all the tests (autosomal, Y-DNA and mtDNA) or he would find the same information with one of them, or two? (He wants to track his paternal and maternal line)
I am not sure what you mean by you want to begin testing with my maternal grandfather. Is your maternal grandfather alive, if so you can test him. However if he is not then you have to consider who is alive and who is willing to test.
I think as there seems to be a fair bit of confusion (don't worry the topic confuses most people) that it may be prudent just to start with one test and see how you get on / what data you get back. I would suggest starting with the autosomal test as it is the cheapest test (and least affected by the end of the sale) and potentially gives access to the most ancestors \ relatives.
If after you get the results back and make sense of them you could take further tests in due course (perhaps when there is another sale on). It is suggested by some people that you test the oldest people you can as to put it bluntly they are likely to die first and so they are the most likely to be the person's data that is lost. However testing anyone other than yourself then means you are at best only testing half your tree. Hope that makes sense
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Thank you for your replies. I decided to begin testing with my maternal grandfather. We decided that the best tests are the ones that FamilyTreeDNA.com offers. BUT... should he do all the tests (autosomal, Y-DNA and mtDNA) or he would find the same information with one of them, or two? (He wants to track his paternal and maternal line)
I am not sure what you mean by you want to begin testing with my maternal grandfather. Is your maternal grandfather alive, if so you can test him. However if he is not then you have to consider who is alive and who is willing to test.
I think as there seems to be a fair bit of confusion (don't worry the topic confuses most people) that it may be prudent just to start with one test and see how you get on / what data you get back. I would suggest starting with the autosomal test as it is the cheapest test (and least affected by the end of the sale) and potentially gives access to the most ancestors \ relatives.
If after you get the results back and make sense of them you could take further tests in due course (perhaps when there is another sale on). It is suggested by some people that you test the oldest people you can as to put it bluntly they are likely to die first and so they are the most likely to be the person's data that is lost. However testing anyone other than yourself then means you are at best only testing half your tree. Hope that makes sense
My maternal grandfather is alive and he asked me to order a test but we can't decide which one. He wants to track both his paternal and maternal roots, so if an Autosomal DNA test would cover both sides, it would be perfect. And the other tests seem to be a bit expensive, even if they are very interesting... (In FTDNA, the Y-DNA test upcovers up to 340.000 years!!!) :o
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OK I see he is alive so in that case I would suggest doing the autosomal test which is also called the family finder test. This test is what is used to find all sorts of close relatives, as said previously it is good back to about 5 generations. It is also the test that is used to determine your ethnic makeup, but again as said previously this is a bit of guesswork sometimes. What this test will not tell you is your maternal or paternal haplogroup but depending on the results you get and what information people share with you you may be able to determine them from others results.
This test costs $79. If you wanted to do the yDNA and mtDNA tests at the same time you could be looking at spending a further $460 or so and as I said previously results can sometimes take a long time to show results it just depends who else has tested and whether they share data with your testee, which is why I suggested the cautious approach of one test first but ultimately the decision is yours.
Good luck
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I'd say to get an autosomal and a Y-DNA test. I've done both types of testing and the Y-DNA test is far better at looking a the paternal line than autosomal. The autosomal test can only detect relatives at a rough guide out to the 5th cousin level and even then it's hard to determine if it is a genuine match and not just "noise".
I haven't done mtDNA testing (looks at the individuals female line) myself but from what I've read online far fewer people have done it and since the surname of females changes every generation (unlike where the Y-DNA follows a surname) it is not as useful for genealogy and it's much harder to find where any matches fit in to your tree.
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So, my grandfather will take the Autosomal test and later the Y-DNA. The mt-DNA would be interesting too, as I know his maternal lines are Greek from Asia Minor and I would like to see the result (Would it be mentioned as Greek or as Turkish?) Would it mention years on the maps (I think there are maps on the results). So, every test has its own interest. If only I could afford all of them, but I hope I will take all of them in the far future.
My priority is now my grandparents...
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My priority is now my grandparents...
That's an excellent idea. We've had to test a few people to try to find out more about a gt-grandfather. If any of the grandparents were still alive this would be much simpler and cheaper.
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I think that the advice for your grandfather to take a "familyfinder "test" is a good one, but keep in mind that any matches you may get will be muddled, so you will not know if the matches come from your grandfather's maternal or paternal sides.
No, you will not get results as specific as Greece or Turkey. Parts of the world are lumped in together under vague terms like "Middle East", "Scandanavia", "Siberia" etc, and Greece and Turkey being so close together there will not be any/much distinction between the two.
You may also find most of the matches will be with people living in America because they are more likely to have taken DNA tests that people living in other countries. I am not sure what the uptake is with people currently living in Greece and Turkey, but I would guess that it's fairly low.
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When you have ordered a test with FTDNA and the specimen reaches the lab it will get a "batch number" and estimated date for completion-once you have the number you can join the "Forums" and ask questions and etc {you can read them without registering but have to register to post questions}I have found just reading the questions and advice given on the various threads useful.
Kim
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Thank you all for your valuable and useful replies. I will order the "Family Finder" test in a few weeks and I'm very excited! ;D
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I agree that it is a good idea to start with an autosomal test, e.g. FTDNA's Family Finder. You should always start with your oldest living relative in a particular family line when doing a DNA test.
When you get your Grandfather's results upload them to Gedmatch (it is free), you might make more connections there.
In genealogy Y-DNA tests seem to be the most useful for tracing a particular family.
You should do at least the Y-37 test, but the Y-67 or Y-111 are better. You can check FTDNA to see if there is a project for your maternal Grandfather's surname. That can also lead to more info. Some projects offer discounts on DNA tests.
FTDNA has sales during the year but the best prices are usually before Christmas.
Since FTDNA has your Grandfather's DNA sample, it is easy to upgrade to new test.
Good luck.
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I agree that it is a good idea to start with an autosomal test, e.g. FTDNA's Family Finder. You should always start with your oldest living relative in a particular family line when doing a DNA test.
When you get your Grandfather's results upload them to Gedmatch (it is free), you might make more connections there.
In genealogy Y-DNA tests seem to be the most useful for tracing a particular family.
You should do at least the Y-37 test, but the Y-67 or Y-111 are better. You can check FTDNA to see if there is a project for your maternal Grandfather's surname. That can also lead to more info. Some projects offer discounts on DNA tests.
FTDNA has sales during the year but the best prices are usually before Christmas.
Since FTDNA has your Grandfather's DNA sample, it is easy to upgrade to new test.
Good luck.
I agree with all saying that FTDNA is the perfect choice. I'll buy it soon and have my grandfather to take it. The autosomal test is perfect for all the family, and it's cheap.
Thank you.
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My only experience is of Y DNA testing and I considered it to be an offshoot of traditional genealogy where, after many years of research, I have hit brick walls in every direction. I am finding the results utterly compulsive and such a lot to enjoy and learn!
If you do become interested you will be looking at initial test costs and then in order to progress you will need to upgrade and then maybe upgrade again. In order to minimise testing duplication current thinking is to order just the FTDNA Y DNA 12 STR marker test in order to give you a base haplogroup. Then test FTDNA Big Y (v expensive) and have the results analysed by YFull ($49). FTDNA have sales and promotions and you can get a discount by ordering your tests through a project e.g. surname project, British isles by County etc. Big Y tests for hundreds/thousands of both STR and SNP markers hence my comment about testing duplication. You don't want to pay for an 111 STR market test, then get hooked and decide you need Big Y after all. It is not easy to find where you can order an FTDNA 12 STR marker test, but a project admin will help.
Good luck and have fun
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My only experience is of Y DNA testing and I considered it to be an offshoot of traditional genealogy where, after many years of research, I have hit brick walls in every direction. I am finding the results utterly compulsive and such a lot to enjoy and learn!
If you do become interested you will be looking at initial test costs and then in order to progress you will need to upgrade and then maybe upgrade again. In order to minimise testing duplication current thinking is to order just the FTDNA Y DNA 12 STR marker test in order to give you a base haplogroup. Then test FTDNA Big Y (v expensive) and have the results analysed by YFull ($49). FTDNA have sales and promotions and you can get a discount by ordering your tests through a project e.g. surname project, British isles by County etc. Big Y tests for hundreds/thousands of both STR and SNP markers hence my comment about testing duplication. You don't want to pay for an 111 STR market test, then get hooked and decide you need Big Y after all. It is not easy to find where you can order an FTDNA 12 STR marker test, but a project admin will help.
Good luck and have fun
I agree that Y-DNA testing can be very expensive. I have tested up to Y-111 and had the Big-Y. I had my Big-Y results analyzed at YFull, FCG, Alex Williamson & James Kane for his Matrix. The latter 2 analyses are free.
I mentioned I also had an autosomal test and uploaded those results to Gedmatch for free.
Not everyone who has their DNA tested will go so deep into testing.
For Y-DNA results most people recommend the Y-37 test as the minimum level to show good results, but it depends on your particular DNA. I agree that joining surname projects helps in understanding Y-DNA results.
I have not been able to establish a connection with any of my Y-DNA matches other than my own family members who I have tested.
Most autosomal matches will be too far back in time to be able to know the connection. Knowing your ancestors names and place or origin helps figure out connections.
I have discovered a few new 3rd cousins from my autosomal test results and still recommend it as a place to start DNA testing.
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How daunting is all this information. I have a headache after reading that :D
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I have sent off for the Autosomal Test from FTDNA at $US79-$AU124.
I assume when I get my kit I will be able to check whether I wish 37,67 or 111 markers? Or is that only for the YDNA test?
I am hoping more to see if there are any matches but also to engage with Name Studies on the FTDNA forums. Not overly fussed with the ethnic variations ( unless 1 specific one shows up!!). If so I will have to reconsider my family history. Which is the whole purpose of doing the test. It will either confirm or deny whether there was a NPE 2 generations ago. I wonder how this will change my view of family if it does. I have strongly identified myself with this name and its relative uniqueness.
I started genealogy as a puzzle to solve , like a jigsaw , putting all the pieces together so they fit. DNA testing is the next step in making sure I have the right pieces from the right boxes. If not now then in 30 years someone may be able to use mine to help them.
More news later. I cant wait.
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I have sent off for the Autosomal Test from FTDNA at $US79-$AU124.
I assume when I get my kit I will be able to check whether I wish 37,67 or 111 markers? Or is that only for the YDNA test?
37, 67 etc markers is the Y-DNA test.
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David the 37, 67 and 111 markers are only for the y-DNA test.
The autosomal test will not necessarily tell you if there was an NPE 2 generations ago. If you happen to find contacts you may, between you, be able to work out a possible connection and what may have happened.
You may find no matches at all with the unique name you mention.
Keep in mind that any results which point to an NPE may have come from an unknown and unexpected branch of the family.
With the "familyfinder" test, you do not know which side of your family any "cousin" matches come from.
Don't expect too much from it.
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Hi
my contribution to this. Last year when I was looking at testing myself I read all the discussions on this Forum. I eventually decided to test with FTDNA, FF + full MtDNA. I don't regret a penny I've spent. I've knocked down some brick walls and discovered facts about 2 lines of my family that I didn't know.
My husband also tested about 2 months after myself, he did FF + Y to 67 markers. He also has a NPE 3 generations back on his paternal line. We knew the proposed surname from PR's, but didn't know that FTDNA had a project for this surname. I hadn't even checked the name out
He matched them completely and FTDNA notified us of the match, there is a disclaimer that they will notify both parties of a close match.
Satisfied customer so far, yes. I do have some matches that haven't knocked down their brick walls yet. It depends if any family members connected to you have actually tested, what results you receive.
Good luck to anyone proposing testing.
David, you pay up front for the tests you have selected, if you go for the higher ones on Y, they do test through the lower stages as well, and stop at 37, or 67, if that's all you have already paid for. You do have the choice to upgrade
Edit I see you have just paid for FF for now. Yes you will be able to upgrade to a Y test once they have received your sample, you have to flex your bank card again though.
Lemur41
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Thank you hurworth and Ruskie. :)
Ruskie, yes it is a long shot with the NPE but I figure I have to start somewhere. May get lucky , may have to save some more $ for the Y-DNA test. But I am in the pool :D
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David, you pay up front for the tests you have selected, if you go for the higher ones on Y, they do test through the lower stages as well, and stop at 37, or 67, if that's all you have already paid for. You do have the choice to upgrade
Edit I see you have just paid for FF for now. Yes you will be able to upgrade to a Y test once they have received your sample, you have to flex your bank card again though.
Lemur41
Thank you for this. Let me clarify , if I choose ( highly likely-see above post) to get a Y-DNA I only have to pay the difference for them to re-test?
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David
You have to pay whatever they are charging at the time you upgrade to whichever Y level marker. So it's a seperate charge . Hope that makes sense. I purchased my husband's as one transaction FF & Y DNA. If I want to upgrade his to the big Y, I have to pay (gulp) quite a lot again.
I was lucky that his paternal x 2 Gt. Grandfather's family are in a name project. Even though we were aware, it's taken several months for all parties to come to terms with it, so Ruskie is right to caution you.
They do have sales discounts nearer Thanksgiving and Christmas as has been pointed out by other people. They will notify you of these and what date they finish now you are in their database.
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Thank you for the follow up lemur :)
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I received my results and my first glance at 11.30pm local time is at matches all 978 of them :o
Is that common? Mostly 2nd cousin-4th cousin and more etc. What level of shared relationship would this be? I also note ''shared centimorgans'' and ''longest block'' which I may need to delve into FAQs . As an example I have a 73 centimorgans with what looks to be my top match. My longest block is 41 with this being my 5th best match at 62 centimorgans whereas my 73 CM has only 11 longest blocks.
Fascinating and exciting. Quick look at origins . Hmm 14% Metal man from Tbilsi in Georgia ( formerly USSR)
47% farmer from Aleppo Syria
39% Hunter-Gatherer from Egypt.
Origins is 96% European and 3% Middle Eastern which confirms the Ancient Origins piece and based on my own and others family search looks solid.
Which follows the ancient pathways from Africa with 1 path splitting one side of the Black Sea. Fairly standard but no Aboriginal which was the background noise in our family story.
One of my matches is encouraging as it confirms one line of my mothers to Sussex and Kent. Ok more looking less typing. Thanks for any help or answers or just taking the time to read. :)
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DavidG02,
You might want to try to contact your closer connections, in many cases with Autosomal DNA the connection is real, but too far back in time for people to know how and where they are connected.
You never know where new info will come from so it is a good idea to contact your connections and ask them if they have any info.
You should send emails to your DNA connections telling them all you know of your various ancestors' surnames and where they lived etc. You might get lucky.
You can also upload your results to Gedmatch. It is free and easy to do. You might have additional connections there.
Here is the link:
https://www.gedmatch.com/login1.php
Good luck!
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These projected 2nd to 4th cousins could be further back David.
For one kit I manage (about 1100 matches currently, 750 initially last year) there were only two recognisable matches initially, and estimated at 3rd-5th and 4th to remote. And not a lot of shared DNA. They are infact third cousins. I only recognised one of them because in the list of her ancestral names I recognised a surname and village. Not our surname but I knew that our ancestor's parents are buried at that village and her sister had married a man with that surname (and her brother and sister married her husband's siblings). The person managing her kit (not related to us) has since added these surnames.
Another is for someone with quite a good tree as they go. 1400 matches and I don't recognise a single one (yet).
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David,
Welcome to the mystery and magic of DNA. And a warning it can be addictive.
I have a chart that suggests that the average cM's shared for third cousins is 75cMs (in a range of 0 to 198), so your match could be at that distance.
You probably have found out already that FTDNA are having a holiday sale, so upgrades are a bit cheaper plus you should also have received a holiday bonus coupon. These are a bit random, but I've got eight kits and two of my coupons give me $20 and 10% off any YDNA test or upgrade. Coupons are transferable so let me know if you want one.
As mentioned by others, uploading to Gedmatch is the way to go. You get to play with other kits that have been uploaded from Ancestry and 23andMe.
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Thank you everyone
I did some further reading after I posted and found another link which may or may not confirm/re-direct a brickwall which is interesting on its own.
SpikeH I would love to take advantage of the offers but I am like my ancestors , poor but willing. :D
I will be contacting some of those matches and swapping info.
Thanks again everyone
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After all the wonderful help I received I would like to ask another question.
With the specials on and some funds coming my way , I am able to afford another Family Finder test or upgrade to a Y-DNA test ( at a stretch) , but I thought I would get my mother a FF test. I think I understand that I may or may not share all her DNA and am comfortable with that.
My question is by testing her will I get a larger mitochondrial selection or will it be ''her'' mixture, or a combination of both. ie I get to see more of a mitochondrial line as well as a mixture?
Hope I haven't confused anyone ( the basic question is can I cheat my way to a Mitochondrial :P )
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David, your mother could get the FF plus mt Full Sequence together or get the FF now and upgrade later. The mt traces the maternal line. Your line is her line so you both don't need to be tested. You could also just upgrade your own kit.
The value of having your mother take the FF (autosomal), is that you can determine which parent your matches are related to.
Don't forget the specials on at the moment plus there are coupons available for all of the tests (except the FF). These continue to Christmas.
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David, your mother could get the FF plus mt Full Sequence together or get the FF now and upgrade later. The mt traces the maternal line. Your line is her line so you both don't need to be tested. You could also just upgrade your own kit.
The value of having your mother take the FF (autosomal), is that you can determine which parent your matches are related to.
Don't forget the specials on at the moment plus there are coupons available for all of the tests (except the FF). These continue to Christmas.
Thanks Spike. The bolded was one of the main reasons I thought of getting her DNA done.
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Hi David
Hmm!! Well I would go for having my mother tested if it was me having to make the decision. Unfortunately in my case, my closest relatives who I would have loved to have tested, no longer with us.
Most experts advise testing the oldest living member of your family if possible. You could do the basic FF for her and upgrade it to MtDNA when possible.
Regards
lemur41
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2 things. I asked my mother and she refused.
The other thing , I use gedmatch and one of their features is they show which chromosome you match on. ie I will match with another person on Chromosone 18
My question is if we match on Ch18 if I then search all my CH18 matches then we ALL should have a closer paper match we can identify, is this correct? ( not sure if this will make sense)
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David
Pity about your Mum, but it's not for everybody!!. I am also on Gedmatch, am currently trying to unravel one of my matches on Chr 18 (LOL) , you have 3 or 4 names below in my FT, but don't come up as a match to myself.
Which is a pity, because I've lots of queries regarding those particular names. We might have been able to help each other.
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David, a bit of nagging might persuade your mum. Or perhaps try bribery.
Shame she has refused. Do you know why?
You did tell her the test is just a cheek swab?
Does she have a sibling who you could ask instead?
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David, a bit of nagging might persuade your mum. Or perhaps try bribery.
Shame she has refused. Do you know why?
You did tell her the test is just a cheek swab?
Does she have a sibling who you could ask instead?
Yes, male. I will ask him. I will also pick a moment when I can take the time to ask her. A very stubborn woman.
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David
Pity about your Mum, but it's not for everybody!!. I am also on Gedmatch, am currently trying to unravel one of my matches on Chr 18 (LOL) , you have 3 or 4 names below in my FT, but don't come up as a match to myself.
Which is a pity, because I've lots of queries regarding those particular names. We might have been able to help each other.
Oh well. What are the names you want help with?
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David
Thanks for the offer. I don't need help as such, have spent a fortune on the correct paper records from VIC & NSW records .
I need a DNA match to prove that my "2 missing female 1st cousins x 3 times removed" are actually
related to me. They are recorded on both dc's for their parents, I just can't find them or rather the DNA match yet.
Thanks again
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2 things. I asked my mother and she refused.
The other thing , I use gedmatch and one of their features is they show which chromosome you match on. ie I will match with another person on Chromosone 18
My question is if we match on Ch18 if I then search all my CH18 matches then we ALL should have a closer paper match we can identify, is this correct? ( not sure if this will make sense)
You can put your Chr18 matches in a spreadsheet then sort them by start point. You will see distinct groups where the segments match or overlap. It is possible that some of these people share a common ancestor with you. You would need to use the One to one tool with each against the other to see if they share DNA with each other as well as you. What you will probably find is two groups within all those groups. One group will be related through your mother, the other through your father. You might know which through existing paper trails.
Not very well explained, but google Triangulation. Gedmatch has a Tier One Triangulation Tool that will do the heavy lifting and sorting on all chromosomes.
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Have you tried DNAGedcom David? It's free.
At the moment I've only used it with FtDNA and it's very useful for sorting matching segments into two sides, and nice colour-coded tables. You may not know which side is which though, and with some people you can't tell. Plus if you hover the cursor over a name it shows ancestral surnames (if they've included them on FtDNA) and who their ICWs are with you.
If you have a Tier1 sub at Gedmatch you can download a report and upload to DNAGedcom.
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2 things. I asked my mother and she refused.
The other thing , I use gedmatch and one of their features is they show which chromosome you match on. ie I will match with another person on Chromosone 18
My question is if we match on Ch18 if I then search all my CH18 matches then we ALL should have a closer paper match we can identify, is this correct? ( not sure if this will make sense)
You can put your Chr18 matches in a spreadsheet then sort them by start point. You will see distinct groups where the segments match or overlap. It is possible that some of these people share a common ancestor with you. You would need to use the One to one tool with each against the other to see if they share DNA with each other as well as you. What you will probably find is two groups within all those groups. One group will be related through your mother, the other through your father. You might know which through existing paper trails.
Not very well explained, but google Triangulation. Gedmatch has a Tier One Triangulation Tool that will do the heavy lifting and sorting on all chromosomes.
No that was good thank you
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Have you tried DNAGedcom David? It's free.
At the moment I've only used it with FtDNA and it's very useful for sorting matching segments into two sides, and nice colour-coded tables. You may not know which side is which though, and with some people you can't tell. Plus if you hover the cursor over a name it shows ancestral surnames (if they've included them on FtDNA) and who their ICWs are with you.
If you have a Tier1 sub at Gedmatch you can download a report and upload to DNAGedcom.
I will chase the DNAGedcom . I will not be getting Tier1 just yet :)
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The interface between FtDNA and DNAGedcom isn't working at the moment David. From their Facebook page it sounds like it will be like that for a while. FtDNA has turned something off because it was slowing up their page.
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David, a bit of nagging might persuade your mum. Or perhaps try bribery.
Shame she has refused. Do you know why? (erhaps because she has b=never told you, you may have beenadopted?!or maybe you are another member of her familychild not hers? very dicey to ask thaose questions if that is the case. gently does it.
You did tell her the test is just a cheek swab?
Does she have a sibling who you could ask instead?
Yes, male. I will ask him. I will also pick a moment when I can take the time to ask her. A very stubborn woman.
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I'm helping my friend from Georgia Russia and she will have some questions
doing tree first..
then DNA
Sorry wrOMG board
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Just a follow up.
My mother agreed to a test and have had the results for 2 weeks. Confirmed some things and confused on others. Again slowly sifting through the results.
Have come no closer to the 2 remaining brickwalls on her side. Both the same line also . Simpson and Westmacott/Westcott/Wennicot?
Thanks everyone for their help and advice
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