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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: dhj on Monday 29 August 16 16:31 BST (UK)
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Hi, I know that an ancestor of mine was transported to Van Diemens Land in 1832 and I know she had a child with her who was 2 years old. I have read that the child died in Hobart in 1833 and I have found an entry via familysearch that bears the theory out. However, what I can't prove is that the child that died is the right one so am hoping somebody can help.
Details are: Burials in the parish of Hobart Town 1833 page 82
David Wall - Number 1247 - buried 17 January 1833 - 2 years 6 months - Prisoners Child - (Abode) Female Orphan School.
Is there any way I can find the mothers name?
Thanks for any assistance.
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Maybe if you gave the details of the mother, it would be easier to find an answer for you.
Neil
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Oops ;D Yes, well spotted. The mother is Mary Wall nee Culliford. She came in on the Hydery 10 August 1832. Remarried William Hawkins in 1835 and died in 1863
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This is probably him, mother Margaret Wall (ship Mermaid)
http://www.orphanschool.org.au/showorphan.php?orphan_ID=5467
M
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His burial record is here:
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD34-1-1p131j2k
Do you have a definite name for the child of Mary?
Debra :)
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This is probably him, mother Margaret Wall (ship Mermaid)
http://www.orphanschool.org.au/showorphan.php?orphan_ID=5467
Nope ;D
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The 2yo child of May WALL (Hydery 1832) died on the voyage out.
It is clearly stated on her record:
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON40-1-9,374,325,F,60
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The 2yo child of May WALL (Hydery 1832) died on the voyage out.
It is clearly stated on her record:
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON40-1-9,374,325,F,60
I thought it said that as well so I checked the surgeon's report - Mary's child was ill but recovered, so I had another look at the red writing it says "1 child 2 years old on board"
M :)
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Do you have a definite name for the child of Mary?
Can you answer this question from Debra please?
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Have found this:
"David William, Son of Mary Wall was born in Ilchester Gaol and baptised 21st December 1830. The posthumous son of William Wall, he was sent with his mother Mary when she was transported to Tasmania. The ships surgeon reported that her behaviour was ‘Very good’ on the voyage and added in a special note that her ‘manners and habits’ were ‘most respectable’"
http://www.kennvillage.co.uk/home-2/history-project/kenn-hangings/
M :)
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Many thanks for the info so far. Yes, the boy is David Williams Wall. The dates seem right and his age of 2 years 6 months but I am trying to confirm, if possible, that this David is the one who is Mary Walls son.
It does seem logical but I can't actually prove it, which I would like to, if possible.
Many thanks again to everybody who has replied.
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This is probably him, mother Margaret Wall (ship Mermaid)
http://www.orphanschool.org.au/showorphan.php?orphan_ID=5467
M
There's a chance that the Orphan School site has the information wrong on this. I'll check their source in the next couple of days to see what it says
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That's very kind. Many thanks
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This is probably him, mother Margaret Wall (ship Mermaid)
http://www.orphanschool.org.au/showorphan.php?orphan_ID=5467
M
There's a chance that the Orphan School site has the information wrong on this. I'll check their source in the next couple of days to see what it says
The information seems correct, it came from a list produced in 1839 detailing children sent from the Female Factory to the Orphan School in the years 1830 to 1839. I suppose there is still a small chance it may wrong as it has been collated in 1839, years after David Wall was transferred. It would be good to find collaborating evidence in another document. I'll post back here if anything turns up.
M :)
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The MARGARET WALL listed as the mother of David William must be another child as Margaret WALL was born 1802 transported in 1828 on the ship "MERMAID" and was convicted at Middlesex. None of which match the Mary WALL 1832.??
Neil ::)
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The 2yo child of May WALL (Hydery 1832) died on the voyage out.
It is clearly stated on her record:
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON40-1-9,374,325,F,60
Please read Merlins Post.
Neil
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A full surgeons report which strangely says that the child of 21 months became sick then cured and discharged. ???
Quote from. http://www.familyquest.bndon.com/brame/hydery.htm
"Mary Wall's child, aged 21 months, taken ill at sea; sick or hurt, diarrhoea; put on sick list 8 May 1832, discharged 16 May 1832 cured."
More digging. ::)
Neil
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I also initially thought it said 'died' but agree that the word is 'old'.
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON40-1-9,374,325,L,70
The MARGARET WALL listed as the mother of David William must be another child as Margaret WALL was born 1802 transported in 1828 on the ship "MERMAID" and was convicted at Middlesex. None of which match the Mary WALL 1832.??
Neil ::)
Yes she was a different person. The OP is trying to establish if the child who died in 1833 was David the son of Mary, or David the son of Margaret.
The information seems correct, it came from a list produced in 1839 detailing children sent from the Female Factory to the Orphan School in the years 1830 to 1839. I suppose there is still a small chance it may wrong as it has been collated in 1839, years after David Wall was transferred. It would be good to find collaborating evidence in another document. I'll post back here if anything turns up.
M :)
The child and mother are both named, as well as the name of her ship?
Debra :)
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Many thanks for the info, so far.
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The child and mother are both named, as well as the name of her ship?
Debra :)
Yes, David Wall, Margt Wall, Mermaid
I think now that the death record holds the clue as it says "Prisoners child" rather than "Convicts child".
Margaret Wall (alias Burton) was in and out of prison including in the Female Factory near the middle of 1830 around when David Wall (died at 2 years 6 months) would have been born.
David William Wall was baptised 21 December 1830, so closer to 2 years old in Jan 1833.
Mary was assigned soon after arrival, and only entered the Female Factory in 1834, so you would expect it to read "Convicts child"
So, unless something else turns up, the David Wall who died in 1833 was not the same child who arrived with Mary Wall
M :)
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Aha, I was about to ask what the difference between the two was!. That is extremely helpful and useful. Many many thanks again
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Has anybody got any ideas as to how I can bottom this one please? I have noticed a number of trees on ancestry who are now claiming that David didn't die until 1933 (when he was 103!) and I'm really struggling to accept that. Especially as there doesn't seem to be any record of home after landing with Mary in 1832 (other than the orphangae link and death record of the 'other' David)
Any help would be most useful
Many thanks again
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I think there is really only one way to differentiate between the two children. The age at death. The DC record says the prisoners child and gives the age as 2 years 6 months in January 1833 which means a birth July 1830. When did your Mary give birth seems the hard one I believe his age was given as 20mths on the ship?
Does the record giving his age at death 103 have any PROOF?
Neil
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Yes, good point. David was baptised in Dec 1830 and I can't find a record of birth. I may try UK gaol records if I can find them.
The 103 doesn't appear to have any proof, seems like everybody has cut and pasted somebody elses tree.
Many thank for the input though.
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This page has a transcript of petitions against the sentences where it states "in the month of August 1830...and that the said Mary is now pregnant, and about 6 weeks off her accouchement".
http://www.kennvillage.co.uk/home-2/history-project/kenn-hangings/
So she was due in October by my reckoning.
M :)
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Yes, I have been using that to calculate dates so it looks as though he had completely vanished if we assume he isn't the one in the Hobart death register for December 1833. Looks like I'm stuck now but many thanks for taking the time and effort to help me get this far.