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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Gypsy Scholar on Saturday 27 August 16 12:08 BST (UK)
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Looking for witnesses to marriage of Joseph Beasley and Susannah Davis at St Leonards Shoreditch 15 Feb 1801. Could anyone help?
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Looks like Henry Arnold and Ann Barn to me.
Both signed with a cross
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That's interesting. Thank you Lily. I was hoping for a hint as to Susannah's parentage.
Thanks for the speedy response.
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Have you found Susannah's birthplace on any census? Using that you might be able to find a baptism.
Modified: realised parents unlikely to be with her on census....oops.....I'm blaming the weather. :-[
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I was going to suggest the same as nanny jan.
There are quite a few Susan*a* Davis baptisms in the London area, so without some extra clues such as finding a parish or place of birth on a census, it will be difficult to work out which, if any, might be your Susannah.
Do you have her death or burial? Does it tell you her age?
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My Greatx3 grandmother baptised in Coventry. Beasleys came from Foleshill. I will see what i can find from census. Joseph died about 1826. Her daughter and son migrated to Oz in 1840.
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Who is your 3x great grandmother?
Whose son and daughter emigrated to Australia?
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Susannah Beasley nee Davis is my greatx3 grandmother. I have had her marriage 1801 to Joseph Beasley based on the Shoreditch entry. I wish to ascertain that I have the right one and who her parents were. Joseph Beasley died in about 1826. If she is on the 1841 census in England she may be with daughter Hannah or Susannah as her other 2 children left England in 1840. She would be in Coventry or Foleshill Warwickshire. I've asked our family history group if anyone has a census record for her.
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My Greatx3 grandmother baptised in Coventry.
Susannah Beasley nee Davis is my greatx3 grandmother.
This is confusing! Do you have Susannah Davis' baptism in Coventry, or did you mean to say that a child of hers was baptised in Coventry?
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Apologies. Susannah Davis greatx4 grandmother. I have a number of possible births and baptisms for her in Shoreditch or nearby, if the shoreditch marriage is the right one and i csn identify her parents. Her daughter
Ellenor Beasley greatx3 grandmother baptised in Coventry
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It it right to say that you don't currently have any indication of Susannah's birthdate by way of (e.g.) census entry or burial record?
What's the source for Joseph having died c1826, and is Susannah known to have survived him?
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I now have census data for susannah adams 1841 on coventry aged 60. Remarried 1833 to John Adams. So birthdate 1781.
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"60" in 1841 means 60-64, due to rounding in that census. I see that she is said to have been born in county (Warwickshire), though this is not necessarily reliable.
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It is becoming clearer. :)
I'm glad it wasn't just me who was a bit confused avm.
Gypsy, do you have Susannah in 1851 as well? She would be in her 70s, so possibly still alive.
As avm says, her place of birth which is given as Warwickshire on the 1841 census, is worth checking. Slight doubts arise as she married in Shoreditch, and a couple generally marry in the bride's parish.
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In the 1851 census I found a John and Susannah Adams living in Coleshill. I can't quite make out his place of birth, but Susannah was born in Birmingham. He is a shoemaker aged 51, and she is a shoe binder aged 50.
Due to the age discrepancy this does not look like your Susannah.
There is an 80 year old widow Susannah Adams, proprietor of houses b Sawbridge Warwickshire - i don't think this is your Susannah either.
Other Susannah Adams on the 1851 census who were b Warwickshire are even more wrong than the above two. I don't think any of them match up with the 1841 John and Susannah Adams living in Coventry (this John is some kind of labourer aged "65").
Both may have died before 1851, which is a shame.
Have you double checked to see if the marriage between Susannah Beasley and John Adams in 1833, is the correct Susannah? Do you have a copy of the marriage entry? Is an occupation or abode noted?
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I suspect she may have died as Susannah Adams, Mar qtr 1850 Coventry.
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I've been away from this for a few years so am trying to track down whether there was another reason why I believed Susanna Davis was correct. I think it may have been the only marriage I could find at the time as there is nothing on Ellenor's baptism record (although I haven't looked at witnesses etc).
There were 4 children including Ellenor 1808, Susannah 1806, Hannah 1811 and Joseph 1815. The Susannah born 1806 is also recorded as died 1812.
There are two Susannah Beasleys (the elder) marrying - 1830 to Joseph Smith 1830 to John Adams (or maybe she lost husband number two as well?
When I search for Susannah and marriage to Joseph Beasley I find nothing in Coventry or Foleshill (which is where the other family records seem to be based) so I'm wondering if the Beasley's moved to Foleshill after they married. Or maybe I just haven't found the right marriage yet.
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Incidentally, the family tradition is that Susannah was Romany, so when the marriage to Joseph Beazley came up as the only one that fitted, I went with that given the location in Shoreditch and the probable mobility of families.
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1841 Census says that John Adams was a jobbing labourer and residence is in Jordan Well. This matches with Dent/Beasley data as her daughter Ellenor and husband William Dent (married 1831 at Foleshill and eldest son Joseph baptised at St Michael's Coventry in 1832) lived in Jordan Well before coming to South Australia. Susannah's son Joseph also lived near there and she apprenticed him to a Whitesmith of the name Thomas Davies in 1828 at which time she was listed as 'widowed'.