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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: shoppingqueen on Saturday 23 July 05 10:26 BST (UK)
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Anyone doing research on the Baldwin family from Cork I would like to hear from you. Despite there being a detailed family tree in Burkes Landed Gentry there are still many gaps and I as yet I can’t find my Henry Baldwin who was born aprox 1810-20 in Cork and who was a Captain in the Army. So the more of you out there that have any bits of information about the Baldwin’s can you let me know and maybe we can all expand our family trees further.
I have attached the Baldwin tree that i have so far. If you have anymore details that are not included please let me know and I will update the tree.
Anna
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Have you tried looking in the Army Lists and better still since it gives more detail, Hart's Army List? Your man ought to be listed.
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i went to kew Achieves a year ago and looked in the officers card index and only found 3 Baldwins, one was Godfrey which was not my G Grandmothers father. I have someone looking for details at the moment. He is searching in WO 25 and WO 76, he is also going to search for letters in WO 31 and marriage's and deaths in WO 42. Will this not do the same Job as the Hart's Army list.
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I should think that the correct order would be to search the Army Lists first and in the unlikely event that your man doesn't turn up there, then would be the time to consider other sources.
Here is the link to the information page on the Lists at the PRO
http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=267
It is also worth looking at
http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=144
Starting with the record classes you mention seems to me to make no sense at all if the Lists have not been exhausted. Rather like hiring a private detective to find a phone number before checking the white pages.
BTW would this Henry Baldwin have been the son of Herbert Baldwin and Barbara Dunne?
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Hi
You don't happen to know of any Corless Baldwin's from Cork do you?
My Baldwin line (now in Sussex) has been traced to early 1800s in East London. I have a marriage certificate for William Henry Baldwin 1852 and his father is named as Corless Baldwin. I have not been able to find any records of him so far but it was suggested to me that Corless is an Irish name? There is one record on Ancestry.co.uk of a Corless marrying a Hester Young in County Cork but thus far I have not been able to make a connection.
I live in hope!!!!
Kerryb
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Thanks for your recommendations. I will follow these up.
My problem is I don’t know whose parents Henry Baldwin’s where.
My great Grandmother was born Dorothy Baldwin born aprox 1844/5 in cork. Before you ask, no there is no reference to her birth or baptism anywhere due the lack of Irish records. I do know she was born in Cork and that her fathers name was Henry. On her marriage certificate it says he was a Captain in the Army.
I was interested to see your reference to Hebert Baldwin and Barbara Dunn. The first thing I did was to do a lot of research into the Baldwin family who lived in Cork and I studied Burkes Landed Gentry of Ireland. As far as Burkes references Herbert and Barbara they only had one daughter called Mary Ann.
Do you know if Herbert and Barbara had a son called Henry as this would fit into the dates of the Henry I am looking for? The problem with Burkes references they were often incomplete.
Thanks
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The following is from a file sent by a friend to whom I think I am distantly related through marriage with the O'Callaghans: (among other similarities I have a first cousin named Barbara O'Callaghan, not a usual Irish name).
Daniel O'Callaghan was born Abt. 1810 in Co. Cork, Ireland, and died Abt 1890 in Co. Cork, Ireland. He married Barbara Herberta Baldwin December 02, 1837 in Kilmurry, Co. Cork, Ireland, daughter of Herbert Baldwin and Barbara Dunne. She was born Nov 07, 1812 in Macroom, Co. Cork, Ireland, and died Abt. 1880 in Cork City.
There may be good reason for Barbara not to appear in Burke's since the Callaghans and Baldwins were bitter political enemies and the marriage is said not to have been approved of by the Baldwins.
There is also in a work 'Protestant Society and Politics in Cork 1812-1844', d'Alton, Cork, 1980, a table 'Some intermarriage patterns..' showing a Mary Baldwin, daughter of Henry Baldwin marrying Richard Tonson Rye in 1845.
I will ask my friend what her sources are and whether she gathered any other information on the Baldwin family.
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I have now cataloged all the the Baldwin Family Tree which is in the Burke's Landed Gentry of Ireland on to a GED file. I have now attached this file to the main THE BALDWINS FROM CORK board. I have added the details of what you know to the tree. Please do ask your friend about more information as my idea is to try and build on this tree. We will hopefully be able to grow the tree to every benefit who are researching the Baldwins of Cork.
Mary Baldwin who married Richard Tonson Rye in 1845 is actually the daughter of another Henry Baldwin. See family tree ( all the same family though)
Do keep me posted.
Thanks
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I agree that Barbara O'Callaghan is not a usual Irish name. I have been helping cousins with their Duggan connections from Cork. I saw a reference once of a Denis Duggan marrying a Barbara O'Callaghan in Cork around 1900. I am trying to find out if this is their Denis. He was a soldier stationed in Cork and later moved to County Down where he died in 1941. Do you have anything on this Barbara?
Thanks for any help,
Pat
The following is from a file sent by a friend to whom I think I am distantly related through marriage with the O'Callaghans: (among other similarities I have a first cousin named Barbara O'Callaghan, not a usual Irish name).
Daniel O'Callaghan was born Abt. 1810 in Co. Cork, Ireland, and died Abt 1890 in Co. Cork, Ireland. He married Barbara Herberta Baldwin December 02, 1837 in Kilmurry, Co. Cork, Ireland, daughter of Herbert Baldwin and Barbara Dunne. She was born Nov 07, 1812 in Macroom, Co. Cork, Ireland, and died Abt. 1880 in Cork City.
There may be good reason for Barbara not to appear in Burke's since the Callaghans and Baldwins were bitter political enemies and the marriage is said not to have been approved of by the Baldwins.
There is also in a work 'Protestant Society and Politics in Cork 1812-1844', d'Alton, Cork, 1980, a table 'Some intermarriage patterns..' showing a Mary Baldwin, daughter of Henry Baldwin marrying Richard Tonson Rye in 1845.
I will ask my friend what her sources are and whether she gathered any other information on the Baldwin family.
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"have now attached this file to the main THE BALDWINS FROM CORK board"
Can you tell me how to access this, preferably with the URL. (I'm not familiar with the Rootschat setup).
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Regiments
If you go back up to the first message on this board, you will see the ged file attached like a image. Double click on this and you can download to wherever you keep these things on your PC.
:) kerryb
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Apologies to you both. When i looked at the tree i realized that i had made a few errors. Just spent the whole afternoon correcting it and entering new data.
Hopefully it should make sense now.
If you start at William Baldwin Approx 1580, he his the start of the tree.
Kerry. Mary Baldwin, daughter of Walter Baldwin d.1673 married George Corliss and had a daughter called Catherine who married John Baldwin. Now this is interesting as he is grandson of Thomas Badwin D 1626. Although as you can see as far as Burkes records go, none of the children were christened Corliss. Trying looking on http://www.familysearch.org/ and go to search and then International Genealogical Index and put Corliss Baldwin and you will see there are loads. I know you said Corless but the name could well have been changed.
Regiment. Sorry i don't know your name. Regarding Mary Baldwin marrying Richard Tonson Rye. I attached them to the wrong family and Mary was in fact the daughter of Henry Baldwin of Mount Pleasant and Elizabeth Corker.
If you want me to update any more of the tree just let me know.
Anna
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I am looking for information on a John Baldwin who was married to Mary Cronin. They had a son Michael Baldwin born about 1860. Michael moved to Louisville KY in 1882 became a police officer and was killed in the line of duty in 1911.
It is believed that Michael had at least two brothers, William born ca 1845 and John born ca 1850, but we can't prove they were his brothers.
Jessie Hagan
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re: Purcell
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The Baldwins are my xtimes great grandparents. A lot of info. is on my web page about them and who they were related to .
www.radleysofcork.bigpondhosting.com
Lorraine
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Addition to last message. Am typing up newspaper abstracts of Baldwins, Mt Pleasant and Currovody, at moment to put onto site. 3/4 pages of close written information.
Lorraine
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Regiments......... wrote about O'Callaghan. In 1635 Eleanor O'Callaghan married Dermot McCarthy of Carhue and Dooneen . They were parents of Donough McDermod MacCarthy who married JANE RADLEY of Knockraur. source BLG...Also1858 Thurs.29th April On 18th instant at Rock Cottage, Schull. Co.Cork at the residence of her father J.O'CALLAGHAN. the wife of WILLIAM B BALDWIN ESQ of a son an heir. source CORK CONSTITUTION.
Lorraine
www.radleysofcork.bigpondhosting.com
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Hi shopping queen,
Just saw your post. Only yesterday I was in Templemartin Bandon and took some photos of the graveyard there with four Baldwin tombs. If you would like me to send the photos to you send me a PM with your email address. I have already sent them to Lorc.
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Hi All
Is this forum still alive?
I’m trying to find out research on my father’s side of the family from Cork
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Hi Freddie,
The first page of RootsChat shows the live postings made today.
Are your family connected to this Baldwin family ?
Regards
Sarah
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
Is this forum still alive?
Yes, it's very much alive!
However the thread that you have responded to was last active here in May 2010.
As Sarah said, how are you related to the Baldwins of Cork?
Please also remember that you aren't allowed to post details of living people.
Good luck :D
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Thanks for the responses!
I have very little information regarding my father’s side of the family. All I know is that my father, Frederick William Baldwin was born in Cork on the 16th February 1926. His father was of the same name and his mother was called Mary (but believe she was British). I’ve tried doing research and pending on dna results to hopefully help me with leads but I found this forum today so thought I’d give it a shot.
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Mary Baldwin who married Richard Tonson Rye in 1845...
Marriage 30 December 1845 at Templemartin Parish Church.
Richard Tonson Rye (esquire) of Ryecourt to Mary Baldwin of Mountpleasant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1845/09287/5362465.pdf
Mount Pleasant House
https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/20909603/mount-pleasant-curravordy-cork
Curravordy townland
https://www.townlands.ie/cork/kinalmeaky/templemartin/templemartin/curravordy/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6171165#map=12/51.7649/-8.7839
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From OSi National Townland and Historical Map Viewer-
Select MapGenie 25 Inch [1897-1913] in Basemap Gallery.
Mount Pleasant House (the family home of the Baldwins).
https://arcg.is/1X4KyG
Rye Court
https://arcg.is/1bqvjb0
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6171741#map=12/51.8691/-8.7084
https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/20908407/ryecourt-house-ryecourt-county-cork
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Thanks for the responses!
I have very little information regarding my father’s side of the family. All I know is that my father, Frederick William Baldwin was born in Cork on the 16th February 1926. His father was of the same name and his mother was called Mary (but believe she was British). I’ve tried doing research and pending on dna results to hopefully help me with leads but I found this forum today so thought I’d give it a shot.
His birth is most likely this one on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1SZ-M2C
It’s just the index and sadly doesn’t give the mother’s maiden name but you could order a photocopy of the birth certificate for €5
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do
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Hi am from Halifax in England I got told by my grandmother called pat that her dad is from Ireland and moved to Liverpool I was wondering if he could have been from cork
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Josh have you any details ? Approximate year of birth ? Just to give us an approximate time that he lived in Cork.