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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: kevynne on Thursday 25 August 16 01:13 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find information about John Paulin who was living in new Zealand , possibly around Wellington or top of the South Island. He was a seaman, possibly a whaler and was known to be there from 1860 to 1870, as we have evidence of an Australian relative stopping with him during those years. John was born in London 1815-1816.I am wondering if possibly there ore early census or electoral rolls that I could look up. Can anybody advise where I might find a seaman who may have settled in these areas please.
Thanks for your help.
Kevynne
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I found a reference to an old Paulin Family Photo Album online. The name Paulin in your post rang a bell with me, as there was a family of that name living in Moera, Lower Hutt, where I grew up, short commuting distance out of Wellington! My Mum and Dad both grew up in the area as well, and I know that they had known Paulin Families as well when they were kids. So they have been around in the Hutt Valley for a good while, and there are probably still some descendants around the area.
Could these people in the album be any of your Paulin relatives? Page 11
http://www.nzpictures.co.nz/paulinphotoalbum.pdf
Added - Unfortunately, no census records in NZ - they're destroyed after the stats have been done.
GRRR.
Yes to electoral rolls though, although I'm not sure how far they go back - but I'll check it out. I'm sure someone will have more knowledge than me about these, as I'm a first generation Kiwi, so haven't had to track that far back for my own.
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There is reference to a John Paulin living in Riverton in the Southern Island in 1858-59
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers?phrase=2&query=john+paulin&sort_by=byDA
Cheers Janette
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There's a record of a John, Ann, and daughter Mary Ann Paulin, and an Elizabeth Stevens disembarking at Riverton from the ship "Success" in the 1840's - can't see a date, though above the entry it could be indicated as coming from Sydney in December 1840. The ship was wrecked in 1845.
http://www.yesteryears.co.nz/shipping/passlists/success.html
( ;D ;D shame I can't find my own relative's early entry to NZ ??? - but certainly not due to a lack of support from Rootschatters😄
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There is also what looks to be a quite comprehensive tree going back tree on My Heritage, submitted from NZ. It includes the above 3 Paulin names, and more, plus parents of John and Ann also more children for John and Ann! Marriage and child for indicated for MaryAnn too.
https://www.myheritage.com/FP/genealogy-search-ppc.php?type&action=person&siteId=222689441&indId=1500033&origin=profile
Unfortunately, I don't have access to this tree, and don't have a sub, but I think you can get a free trial!
Jeanne
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According to a "family tree" published at ancestry, The John PAULIN who arrived in NZ from Sydney per the vessel "Success" in March 1843, and who had wed Ann STEVENS in Sydney in 1841, was born in Woolwich, Kent, ENG and died in Southland, NZ aged 44 years, in 1860.
~ Lu
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Magic Lucy 2. Great to get Kevynne a more definite arrival date for them.
Elizabeth Stevens may well be Ann (Stevens) Paulin's sister, or possibly her mother?
Right now, time for me to chase "The Chaser" - my pre- dinner TV slot!!
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Mmm ... I was adding the John PAULIN / Ann STEVENS information more as a means of discounting this John PAULIN. ;D
He died in 1860 ... Kevynne seems to be looking for man of same name who was around between 1860 and 1870 ??
~ Lu
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I am trying to find information about John Paulin who was living in new Zealand , possibly around Wellington or top of the South Island. He was a seaman, possibly a whaler and was known to be there from 1860 to 1870, as we have evidence of an Australian relative stopping with him during those years. John was born in London 1815-1816.
Hi Kevynne
As you know approx. birth year and place of birth for John PAULIN, are you able to give us any further information about him, please?
~ Lu
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Mmm ... I was adding the John PAULIN / Ann STEVENS information more as a means of discounting this John PAULIN. ;D
He died in 1860 ... Kevynne seems to be looking for man of same name who was around between 1860 and 1870 ??
~ Lu
Oops - my bad!!
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The only information I have about John is that he was christened c1815 at Limehouse London and was the son of George Paulin and Elizabeth Raymond. he is not on the 1841 census .He had 4 brothers who came to Melbourne in the 1850s.in a letter I received from a cousin some years ago, she said his brother William went to new Zealand and stayed with him during 1865 and 1869 somewhere near Wellington. I don't know if he married. Where would I look for early new Zealand marriages please. Family also said that John was a seaman but no one knew anything about his life.
Thanks
Kevynne
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New Zealand BDM website......
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home/
Minniehaha.
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Something else to check on, a reference in a tree on Ancestry to their marriage.
Will need to be verified though, as no document, but the marriage is stated to have taken place in Sydney, March 8th 1841. Australian Registration No. V184114
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There is a John Paulin in the Britain, merchant seamen, 1835-1857 aged 22 birth year 1813,London
Cheers Janette
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There is also a John Paulin in the FindMyPast Victoria Prison Register but at present an error is coming up when I try to open the document
Cheers Janette
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The only information I have about John is that he was christened c1815 at Limehouse London and was the son of George Paulin and Elizabeth Raymond. he is not on the 1841 census .He had 4 brothers who came to Melbourne in the 1850s.in a letter I received from a cousin some years ago, she said his brother William went to new Zealand and stayed with him during 1865 and 1869 somewhere near Wellington. I don't know if he married. Where would I look for early new Zealand marriages please. Family also said that John was a seaman but no one knew anything about his life.
Thanks
Kevynne
Kevynne, I have just located another tree on Ancestry which seems to be well researched, sourced, and has John Paulin as the son of George Paulin & Elizabeth Raymond, and other family info.
I would be quite happy to private message the tree owner and ask if it's OK for you to contact her re your family!
If you would like to try this, you could pm me your email address, and I can send it to the tree owner. Happy to do that.
Just looking at that tree again, there's even a headstone photo. Wish I could find a relative like this!
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Hi Kevynne
Further to my earlier post re: John PAULIN (and wife Ann STEVENS), I'd found a considerable number of additional trees at the ancestry.com site. [Most appear to contain "shared" information.]
As Jeanne has also mentioned, one of the "PAULIN" trees appears to be well-researched (at least it gives some sources of information). A "copy" of the 1841 (NSW) PAULIN/STEVENS Marriage certificate gives only brief details of the couple - and doesn't even show the groom's occupation ??
A note on the tree states : "Family archives say John listed as a butcher - Ann as a spinster".
An earlier note for the year 1838 again mentions "family archives advise that John was employed as a whaler in Otago in about 1838". In the year 1841, John PAULIN is said to have arrived in Sydney from England, on the vessel "Alfred". [Checked several resources and he doesn't appear to have been an unassisted or assisted immigrant to NSW ... possibly a crew member though nothing found to confirm this.]
The headstone photo (mentioned in Jeanne's post), is probably the one erected at Riverton Cemetery (Southland) following a family reunion for the STEVENS / PAULIN (and I think - HOWELL) families.
It seems to confirm that this John PAULIN died in New Zealand in 1860 aged 44 years, and that his parents were "George PAULIN and Elizabeth RAYMOND".
~ Lu
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....in a letter I received from a cousin some years ago, she said his brother William went to new Zealand and stayed with him during 1865 and 1869 somewhere near Wellington. I don't know if he married. Where would I look for early new Zealand marriages please. Family also said that John was a seaman but no one knew anything about his life.
Hi Kevynne
Am assuming that "brother William" is William Edward PAULIN - b 1831 - (parents George and Elizabeth) ?
William PAULIN - 24 years - appears to have arrived into Victoria (AUS) per the vessel "Nyverheid" about 23 October 1855 -- along with his wife, Julia aged 18 years.
A child "Lizzie Maria" (mis-transcribed as "Litale Maria") was born to the couple at Ballarat East, VIC in 1856 and she in turn went on to marry Neleus LEEDS in 1877.
William's wife Julia PAULIN (bc 1836) died at Victoria in 1860.
* So, did he leave his child Lizzie in Australia and come to New Zealand between the years 1865 - 1869 .... before returning to Australia to marry "Mary Reid COVENTRY" (also) in 1869 ??
* If the John PAULIN late of Riverton (Jacob's River), Southland is the brother of William, then he too had died by 1860.
~ Lu
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Incidentally, there are three baptisms (christenings) listed for what appears to be the same "John PAULIN".
1. Tower Hamlets > St. Anne's, Limehouse
Baptised - July 7th - 1814 (date of actual birth, not recorded)
PAULIN - John Arnell
s/o George (a ropemaker) and Elizabeth
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2. Parish of Woolwich, Kent > Wesleyan church
PAWLIN (as indexed ... but image looks like "PAULIN") - John Arneel
s/o George (Rope maker) and Elizabeth
Born: 12 June 1814
Christened : 13 June 1819
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3. Greenwich > St. Mary Magdalene, Woolwich, Kent
PAULIN - John Arnold
Born : 12 June 1814
also
PAULIN - Thomas Edward - born: 13 October 1817
PAULIN - Henry Charles - born 24 March 1820
... all sons of George PAULIN (Rope maker) and Elizabeth -- all baptised on 16 April 1820.
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NZ Marriages - none for a John PAULIN (or similar) that I could find.
NZ Electoral rolls - nothing for a John PAULIN - occupation: mariner / seaman etc.
[Note: For the time frame 1860-1870, only (usually) males listed on government or provincial rolls and the qualifcation for inclusion on same, was a property holding of a certain value. ]
PapersPast :
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
"Wanganui Herald" - 28 December 1882 - page 2/ column 4
.... mentions "John PAULINE, a sailor, fined for drunkeness".
[No further info found for that person. ]
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Hi kevynne
Probate record (with Will) for >
PAULIN - John - Settler - Riverton - Year: 1861
Viewable at >
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1865481
~ Lu
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This John Paulin is a bit of a mystery. The information of John Paulin is interesting ,but with so many differing dates for baptism dates and places it seems possible that this is my john. However a now deceased relative was sure that William took his little daughter Lizzie to new Zealand in 1865 and stayed with John somewhere near Wellington.He left to get married in Melnboune in 1869. Thanks for looking up electoral and marriage records.The mention of a john Paulin in British prison records makes me think. that I could look at convict records.He may have lived in Australia for a while.
Thank you for everybody for taking time to look up records for me.There is plenty for me to work on over the weekend.
Cheers
Kevynne
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another plug for this facebook ground for families of Paulin Stuck Howell Collins Daniel etc of Riverton
https://www.facebook.com/groups/stuckpaulinfamily
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