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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: mmkiwi on Tuesday 23 August 16 04:25 BST (UK)
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Searching for any leads on Charles John Rolls who is found on the Electoral Roll in 1911 in Brown, 1914 and 1919 in Bluff and 1925 and 1928 in Woodend. He is listed under Charles Rolls in some Electoral and Charles J in others.
He was not married to but living with Laura Margaret Woolliams who took his name, she was born around 1862 so I am guessing he would be of a similar age ie born between lets say 1850 and 1880. Laura died in Invercargill in 1926 and her headstone is in the name of Laura M Rolls, beloved wife of CJ Rolls. There dont appear to be any further records re who purchased plot etc.
Cant find any record of Charles's death in NZ bdm database, nor birth nor any marriages.
Thanks for any leads ..
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There is a Charles J Rolls in the New Zealand Army WWI Reserve Rolls dated 1916. Residence Nelson crescent Napier. Occupation missionary!
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Laura appears to have had 2 children,father not recorded
1887/570 Woolliams Nellie Laura NR
1882/13221 Woolliams Charles Wilsdon Laura Margaret Wilsdon NR
Cheers Janette
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thanks, Laura had 4 children but all before she met Charles Rolls. I am also aware she did marry a George or John George Wilson in 1890 in Dunedin. But he died in 1903.
Missionary tie in I dont think is correct, there is a Charles J Rolls who was reported in 1930s in paperspast in Croydon as Dean of College. I think age is possibly wrong with the War reserve and the one I am seeking is listed as a labourer for number of years on the electoral roll.
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Hi
Have you actually been in touch with the Woodend cemetery to see if there are any surviving records as to who purchased the plot - Block XXV section 113 purchased 31 May 1926 by the executors of the estate.
She was buried 23 Feb but they didn't purchase the plot till May?
I can't see a probate record or will for her or Charles on the New Zealand, Archives New Zealand, Probate Records, 1843-1998 on familysearch.org
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Maybe this is the missionary referred to in reply # 1........
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19180914.2.6.7?query=chas.%20rolls
Minniehaha.
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Hi
Have you actually been in touch with the Woodend cemetery to see if there are any surviving records as to who purchased the plot - Block XXV section 113 purchased 31 May 1926 by the executors of the estate.
She was buried 23 Feb but they didn't purchase the plot till May?
I got in touch with Invercargill council and they advised it was a church run cemetery which the council had been handed and the council didnt have any further information. Can I ask where you have noticed it wasnt purchased till after Laura was buried?
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She was buried 23 Feb but they didn't purchase the plot till May?
That may mean that payment wasn't made until May
Cheers Janette
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Can I ask where you have noticed it wasnt purchased till after Laura was buried?
The New Zealand, Cemetery Records, 1800-2007 are on ancestry (pay per view site) Originally from the New Zealand Society of Genealogists Incorporated.
On the record for Laura Margaret it gives her age as 64 not 63.
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I think (tentatively) I may have found him. There is a Charles John Rolls, retired, living in Parramatta from 1930-35, dying in the latter year. Now this Charles J Rolls parents are listed as Thomas and Mary on his death, and from that I can see he was born 1856 in Goulburn NSW. Now from family trees on Ancestry (I know) I've looked at this Charles J Rolls and it appears his mother took (some of) the kids off to Naseby, (the right area of the world) with another man! Two of this Charles' sisters most definitely married in Naseby and I've managed to trace their lives through the papers, and that of his rather scandalous mother, despite how ridiculous the family trees (i recommend looking at them) look it appears as though they're actually correct. Now the fact that the last electoral roll for Charles in NZ in 1928 and the first for a Charles in Australia is 1930, to me, definitely also helps the case. Now why he wasn't on any earlier rolls is beyond me, as is why he returned to Australia, but to me this sounds plausible.
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thanks removekebab. I did find a C J Rolls departing Wellington for Sydney on the Marama on 28/6/1928 listed as 72 years old. This could be our guy. For the ancestry tree can I view that if I am looking at the copy via the library or does it have to be on a personal copy?
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I think (tentatively) I may have found him. There is a Charles John Rolls, retired, living in Parramatta from 1930-35, dying in the latter year. Now this Charles J Rolls parents are listed as Thomas and Mary on his death, and from that I can see he was born 1856 in Goulburn NSW. Now from family trees on Ancestry (I know) I've looked at this Charles J Rolls and it appears his mother took (some of) the kids off to Naseby, (the right area of the world) with another man! Two of this Charles' sisters most definitely married in Naseby and I've managed to trace their lives through the papers, and that of his rather scandalous mother, despite how ridiculous the family trees (i recommend looking at them) look it appears as though they're actually correct. Now the fact that the last electoral roll for Charles in NZ in 1928 and the first for a Charles in Australia is 1930, to me, definitely also helps the case. Now why he wasn't on any earlier rolls is beyond me, as is why he returned to Australia, but to me this sounds plausible.
Ancestry has not uploaded the NSW electoral rolls from the 1920s. Perhaps they don't have access to those rolls. In NSW it did not become compulsory to enrol until the mid 1920s.
There are NSW electoral rolls at the http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/ from memory, all the NSW rolls were there when I was researching through them in the 1990s. I don't have any ERs from the 1920s in my own offline resources. It is also important to remember that in NSW, quite often, if a person moved from the district, that it was not until the next election, that anyone notified the Returning Officer to remove that name from the roll.
JM
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754543.0
I have posted info on this thread on the Australia Board.
JM
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Marriages in Naesby
http://www.archives.presbyterian.org.nz
Mt Ida Presbyterian Parish Marriages [Naesby]
ROLLS Caroline 17y BEATTIE John James full age 17/Aug 1875
ROLLS Mary full age [x-mark] ROBERTSON Daniel full age 08/Mar 1873
There is one other Otago Southland Presbyterian marriage
ROLLS John Thomas 31y PRICE Elizabeth 22y 26/Apr 1893 Knox Church Dunedin
Is he related ?
Signal
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thanks Signal Hill
couple of confirmations on dates - appreciate your time looking these up.
rgds