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Title: How to get a Northern Ireland Birth Certificate in 1919 not on GRONI or PRONI
Post by: Irish Finder on Tuesday 23 August 16 00:51 BST (UK)
Hi all, i registered with GRONI and unfortunately this particular birth certificate isn't there.

Does anyone know how i may go about trying to get the above  ??? ??? ??? ???


Title: Re: How to get a Northern Ireland Birth Certificate in 1919 not on GRONI or PRONI
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 23 August 16 02:09 BST (UK)
When you say it isn't there do you mean it's not in their index or you have the index details but there is no cert, which would be very odd.
If you are sure the birth was registered and have the detail to order it the GRO in Roscommon should have it as it's pre 1922.

http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do

Title: Re: How to get a Northern Ireland Birth Certificate in 1919 not on GRONI or PRONI
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 23 August 16 07:08 BST (UK)
Any possibility that the surname has been mistranscribed?  It only takes the alteration of one letter for the search to come up with a blank.

I have two or three whereby the surname has been misread and therefore recorded on the index incorrectly.

Have you contacted the registry office that covers the area in which the birth took place?
Title: Re: How to get a Northern Ireland Birth Certificate in 1919 not on GRONI or PRONI
Post by: gaffy on Tuesday 23 August 16 08:01 BST (UK)

... Hi all, i registered with GRONI and unfortunately this particular birth certificate isn't there ...


It wouldn't be, the GRONI website only allows you to find birth records which are over 100 years old.
Title: Re: How to get a Northern Ireland Birth Certificate in 1919 not on GRONI or PRONI
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 23 August 16 08:04 BST (UK)

... Hi all, i registered with GRONI and unfortunately this particular birth certificate isn't there ...


It wouldn't be, the GRONI website only allows you to find birth records which are over 100 years old.

Not sure what gaffy knows that's not posted here but it's difficult to help without knowing the details of what you are looking for.
Title: Re: How to get a Northern Ireland Birth Certificate in 1919 not on GRONI or PRONI
Post by: gaffy on Tuesday 23 August 16 08:08 BST (UK)

... Hi all, i registered with GRONI and unfortunately this particular birth certificate isn't there ...


It wouldn't be, the GRONI website only allows you to find birth records which are over 100 years old.

Not sure what gaffy knows that's not posted here but it's difficult to help without knowing the details of what you are looking for.

I know no more than what has been posted, the topic subject mentions a 1919 birth certificate and GRONI online will not return a hit for such a birth as it is under 100 years old.
Title: Re: How to get a Northern Ireland Birth Certificate in 1919 not on GRONI or PRONI
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 23 August 16 08:23 BST (UK)
Irish Finder - If you could give us a name we may be able to help you locate a record of the birth.
Title: Re: How to get a Northern Ireland Birth Certificate in 1919 not on GRONI or PRONI
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 23 August 16 09:29 BST (UK)
I know no more than what has been posted, the topic subject mentions a 1919 birth certificate and GRONI online will not return a hit for such a birth as it is under 100 years old.

Thanks, gaffy, I missed the date in the title. (I blame eye medicine which is causing blurred vision for a while)
Title: Re: How to get a Northern Ireland Birth Certificate in 1919 not on GRONI or PRONI
Post by: Irish Finder on Tuesday 23 August 16 11:52 BST (UK)
Hi Girl Guide,

It's Clara Jane Martin born 19/07/1919 Swatragh, Derry, Northern Ireland born to Clara Jane Martin and Robert Martin. The mothers maiden name was Turner.

We need the birth certificate to get a passport. As its not 2019, it wont be online, I am not sure on who to contact to order it. ??? ;D ;D
Title: Re: How to get a Northern Ireland Birth Certificate in 1919 not on GRONI or PRONI
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Tuesday 23 August 16 12:02 BST (UK)
Ring GRONI. Given them the details and pay over the phone. They'll post the cert out the next day. You can also order a full cert from GRO Roscommon but it takes longer.
Title: Re: How to get a Northern Ireland Birth Certificate in 1919 not on GRONI or PRONI
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 23 August 16 12:10 BST (UK)
This one?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FB1B-4ZS
Title: Re: How to get a Northern Ireland Birth Certificate in 1919 not on GRONI or PRONI
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 23 August 16 12:34 BST (UK)
I was about to suggest the same thing as Elwyn.  In case they quibble a bit, mention that you need it for passport purposes
Title: Re: How to get a Northern Ireland Birth Certificate in 1919 not on GRONI or PRONI
Post by: Cell on Tuesday 23 August 16 13:36 BST (UK)
Hi Girl Guide,

It's Clara Jane Martin born 19/07/1919 Swatragh, Derry, Northern Ireland born to Clara Jane Martin and Robert Martin. The mothers maiden name was Turner.

We need the birth certificate to get a passport. As its not 2019, it wont be online, I am not sure on who to contact to order it. ??? ;D ;D
Hi,
You have enough info about Clara  to order(submit the application) online.  https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/ordering-life-event-certificates. On the online application ,fill in all the steps - add words to the steps if you are not 100% sure of your info . For instance if you're not 100% sure of where the birth took place , in the birth box you could say "Swatragh, Derry ,I think" The above link also gives their phone number if you do want to order over the phone ( you pay extra for priority mail 20  pounds opposed to the usual 15 pounds)


I ordered online from  Groni  a 1918 and a 1940's one with a little less info than you have and I used the words I think (these were also for passport reasons) and had no problems, They sent out both the certs to me. There is a box there for "Additional information to support your application " fill that in with any extra details such as "this is my grandmother /mother " , we need the cert for passport reasons etc, etc . As long as you fill out all the boxes (even with the words "I think") and give as much info as you possibly can and know, you should not have any problems.

 Also, for passport reasons, I doubt that the view online ones would be any help to you for passport  applications even if yours was over 100 yrs old. Passport applications usually need the hard copy certified certs and not screen grabs or copies ,unless a hard copy  is signed by a justice of peace. (You can't download certified certs from them , most people  screen grab them). They are no good for official purposes such as passport applications

Kind Regards
Title: Re: How to get a Northern Ireland Birth Certificate in 1919 not on GRONI or PRONI
Post by: Irish Finder on Saturday 27 August 16 12:22 BST (UK)
Thank you all very very much  ;D

yes that is her on the family search records ;D