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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: k1yak on Saturday 20 August 16 19:15 BST (UK)
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Good Evening I was wondering if someone can help.
I'm looking for the Palmer family in Ireland its a bit of a puzzle.
The three names are Samuel Palmer Born act 1872 in Ireland but not sure.
His father is called Samuel Palmer I know he died before 1895.
Mother Margaret Jane Neilson. She was in Coatbridge Scotland 1911. (She maybe called Peggy Jane or Maggie Jane) The only one I have found was one that was married to a John Lamont!!!!.
I can't find a link with them all apart from Samuel Palmer Jr's Marriage certificate in Coatbridge in 1895.
If anyone can help it would be much appreciated.
Thank You.
Gayle
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there is a Samuel palmer death Armagh tyrone birth year 1798 died 1894 age 96 jan mar quarter
there are five samuels born around 1872 antrim Belfast Londonderry seapatrick newtownards
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I did see the Samuel Tyrone one I thought 72 was a little old to still be having children as on the marriage certificate it said he was a farmer.
I just don't get how I can't find margaret and Samuel together.
Thanks Robo for your help.
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I managed to find margaret Janes death certificate. And that says her husband was a John Palmer??? Her mother was called Mary Harvey.
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Can you please list all the information on the marriage certificate, 1895.
Can you please list all the information on the death certificate of Margaret Jane PALMER that you have found.
Census 1901 at 12 Quarry Row Coatbridge
PALMER Maggie Jane 50yrs head of household b. Ireland seamstress
PALMER John 20 yrs son b. Ireland Ammonia Works labourer
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I can’t find a Palmer=Neilson marriage in Northern Ireland 1854 to 1874 on the GRONI site, nor can I find any children born to parents named Palmer & Neilson, 1864 to 1874.
Samuel Palmer is a common enough name and there are 6 or 7 marriages in the period 1854 to 1874 but all to women with different surnames. No John Palmer marriages though.
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The Samuel Palmer whose death is recorded in 1894 seems to have left a will. He died 26th Dec 1893 and was a farmer at Lislea, Armagh. He leaves everything to his wife's cousin Nenah Palmer who resides with him with the proviso that his wife Margaret 'may have enjoyment of the produce and profits thereof during her lifetime'. Nenah was the executrix and is described as a spinster. No sign of her in 1901 and there is a death recorded in Armagh in 1896 of a Nena Palmer age 23.
Isobel
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It just doesn't all add up yet :-\
No suitable Samuel Palmer birth 1865-1878 in GRONI's database (covers all 6 N.I. counties)
No suitable marriage for a Samuel or John Palmer with wife Margaret in N.I.
So, a few questions which might help us find the family in Ireland...
1) what's listed for birthplaces of Samuel Palmer, his mother Margaret Jane and brother John? Often that census is the one which lists a more exact place of birth than 'Ireland'
2) I managed to find margaret Janes death certificate. And that says her husband was a John Palmer??? Her mother was called Mary Harvey.
Father's name? Margaret's age? who was the informant?
3) have you searched for the family in 1891 Scottish census?
4) numerous online family trees give Samuel's mother as Margaret Ann. They could be mistaken, copied from each other, etc. but have you tried contacting others interested in the family?
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Hi,
I did an open search for Palmer and Neilson on 3 sites and got
Samuel Palmer born 1806 to William Palmer and Margaret Neilson in Scotland.
Mary 1809
John 1811.
Other were in the USA and 1993 to 2003 in Northumberland.
Is this the family?
Maggsie
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Hi,
I did an open search for Palmer and Neilson on 3 sites and got
Samuel Palmer born 1806 to William Palmer and Margaret Neilson in Scotland.
Mary 1809
John 1811.
Other were in the USA and 1993 to 2003 in Northumberland.
Is this the family?
Maggsie
???
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Thank everyone for your help,
Samuel Palmer aged 24 in 1895. Married Kate Wood in Coatbridge Samuels father is noted as Samuel a farm labourer deceased. 4th October. Both Samuels from Ireland
On Margaret Jane Palmers death certificate in 1920 in Coatbridge. Husband is named John Palmer. Maybe there was a mix up as it was her son John that registered the certificate.
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What about details from the census records (especially 1911)?
And how do you know Margaret's mother was Mary Harvey, etc.?
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Son John Palmer died on 11th Dec 1947 age 73. Parents given are John Palmer, Farm Labourer dec'd and Margaret Jane Palmer nee Nelson Dec'd. He was married to Alice Selina Hull.
Isobel
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The certificates will have more information than you are giving . Can you please list the information.
Include everything........every name, every date , every address, every occuparion........
Please present this as a list. Are you able to scan an image to put on this forum?
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Son John Palmer died on 11th Dec 1947 age 73. Parents given are John Palmer, Farm Labourer dec'd and Margaret Jane Palmer nee Nelson Dec'd. He was married to Alice Selina Hull.
Isobel
Great isobelw where did you get the will info from and I found Johns marriage certificate.
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The Will (original destroyed but shows scanned image of wording copied at the time) for Samuel Palmer of Armagh is available from http://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
The Will of Samuel Palmer late of Lislea County Armagh Farmer who died 26 December 1893 at same place was proved at Armagh by Nenah Palmer of Lislea Spinster the sole Executrix.
Put Samuel Palmer into search box (above one is the first result) then click on 'image.'
You still haven't answered any questions about samuel Palmer, and his mother, in census records :-\
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Samuel Palmers Marriage to Kate Wood 4/10/1895
Samuel was 24 years of age got married at 52 Iron Row Coatbridge couldn't read of write. resident at 178 Garthserrie Coatbridge Father Samuel Palmer farmer deceased Mother Margaret Jane Palmer nee Neilson.
1901 Census Gartsherrie Coatbridge
12 Quarry Row Maggie Jane Palmer 50 years old Seamstress John Palmer son aged 23 living with her both born in Ireland.
1911 Census
40 Quarry Row Maggie Jane Palmer widow 60 Born Ireland
John Palmer son 36 labourer Born Ireland
Samuel Palmer Grandson 14 Message boy Born Coatbridge
Margaret Jane Palmer Death certificate 25/3/1920 aged 68
Margaret Jane Palmer widow of John Palmer Farm Labourer Son Samuel Palmer was present at death
Father John Neilson mother Mary Harvey This is everything I know