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Hello All
My 4 X times Gt. Grandfather George Hood, appears in the Selby Land Tax records in 1812 and married Sarah Russel at Selby 18 July 1815 (Marriage Intention and Bond to the Selby Peculiar Court dated 16 May 1815), giving his age as 28 years and Occupation as Cooper in all Marriage documents.
George Hood lives at Selby, becoming a Retail Brewer by about 1826 and has a Tannery at Selby by about 1830 and dies at Selby 18 September 1845, age given as 60 years on Death Certificate. His Selby Will bundle confirms his death date, mentions Wren Lane and Gowthorpe and that he was a Brewer and Tanner.
There is NO Baptism entry in the Selby Parish Register for George Hood and NO Selby burial record either.
There is also no record of any Selby burial for four of his adult children and nor his Widow Sarah Hood who died 11 Gowthorpe, Selby, on 28 November 1879 aged 86, in the Selby Parish Register, nor in the Selby Council Cemetery either (opened 1858).
My George Hood, is not the same George Hood of Morpeth, Northumberland, nor the Army George Hood who died at Leeds, earlier in September 1845.
1863 South Bishopwearmouth / Sunderland
However, when James and Sarah Hood of Selby, had their son James Alfred Hood on 25 September 1863, they gave their address as 34 Blandford Street, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland, but were back at Selby for the birth of their next child.
James Hood (father of James Alfred Hood) was one of five sons of my mysterious 4 X Gt. Grandfather George Hood who married at Selby in July 1815.
1st Oct 1786 Gateshead, Baptism - Geo: Son of John Hood
The above George Hood Marriage and Death documents confirm a birth circa 1785 to 1787 for George Hood, making the Gateshead Baptism Geo: S. of John Hood, an ideal suggestion, but I have absolutely no document to link this George Hood of Gateshead to the appearance of George Hood of Selby.
1787 Whitehead's Newcastle Directory, printed by T. Angus
Alphabetical List of the People in Trade, &c. in GATESHEAD, COUNTY OF DURHAM.
Hood John, publican, Ship, South-shore
John Hood of Gateshead was the Publican of the "Ship" in the 1787 Directory (later known as The Ship Inn), but for how long is unclear?
Brief Summary of Research on other Hoods in Gateshead and Newcastle
1787 Directory also lists:-
Anthony Hood, fitter, office, Broad chair.
Robert Hood, Spirit-dealer, north fide [side], Sandhill.
1786 - Robert Hood from Newcastle to Sunderland
BNA online - Newcastle Courant 7 October 1786 - Robert Hood from Newcastle wishes to acquaint his friends and the public, that he has entered upon the King's Head Inn, SUNDERLAND.
1791 The Universal British Directory of Trade, Commerce, and Manufacture
Newcastle, re Anthony Hood, fitter ...
Anthony Hood,
Fitter of Simpsons - Pontop,
Tanfield-moor,
Blaydon-main,
Longbenton,
South-moor,
Whitefield,
Ryton-moor, and
Marly-hill, Coals.
Sounds like Anthony Hood of Newcastle, was a firm with contracts to the coal mining industry.
Scroll back to pages 35 & 36 for Rob. Hood and Anthony Hood ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4QwHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=%22Simpson+and+Blackett%22&source=bl&ots=yd7-ZBDUMN&sig=3ZNB25fTZJsnaUE1MqlcE7JJAqY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjIq4Od4s_OAhXMJsAKHeqQD0sQ6AEIGzAA
1799 Anthony Hood of Newcastle
NC council - Archaeology 2005
"George Wray, brick maker on South Shore, also owned a rope-walk (HER 5650; Fig 12) in 1771 (op cit, p 78). This may be the same as that established by Stoddart and Co. in 1795 at Saltmeadows (HER 4366: Fig 12) and soon owned solely by a former partner Anthony Hood. In 1799 Hood introduced a rope-making machine, patented by William Chapman in 1798. This technological innovation eventually superceded the earlier rope-walks and marked the beginning of the growth of ropemaking in Gateshead (op cit, p 78)."
Question
Looking for any document please, regarding John Hood of Gateshead and son George, to fill the gaps and/or to see if the George Hood 1786 baptism at St Mary's Gateshead, links to my George Hood of Selby, who appears in the Selby Land Tax in 1812?
I am also wondering if John Hood, Publican of the Ship, continued to renew his Victuallers Licence at Gateshead, or elsewhere in the Newcastle area?
Thank you.
Kind regards, Mark
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See link
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.0
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In the making of barrels was the Cooper, Hooperman/Bandsman (Blacksmith) and Waterman (Cooper assistant )
River mariners were boatman/Waterman ?
Ports Gatehead,Newcastle -Wearmouth- Hull,Drypool,- Selby- Lowestsoft- London
cargo
Coal-Trees- Urine on cask/barrels from London on return runs to Scarborough to use to hold colour in dye and general liquids
Mark -Your Robert Hood of Gateshead Will - Probate (mentioning Ryle) 1812-and 1816 update
In this Will page 1- it says - " to my brother in saw Peter Sinclair"
Seem to remember a man called Robert Sinclair mentioned on George Hood intent to marry Sarah Russel Bond & Allegation 1815 Selby
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6055410#msg6055410
Robert Hood of Gateshead (mentioning Ryle)
"Robert HOOD, gentleman, of Windmill hills in the parish of Gateshead in the county of Durham [Gateshead, County Durham]"
Date of probate: 1 October 1812
"Will and codicil used in the court case on 20 May 1816: Jane Stodhart (wife of the Reverend Robert Stodhart), Samuel Hood, Peter Hood and Benjamin Hood v John Ryle, John Linsay Angus and Jabez Hood"
Three images here, but no George or John Hood mentioned
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11848-147714-50
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Richard Hood -mariner - born 1774 origin ? - married 1817 Hull - died 1838 Hull
his son William Hood a Cooper b 1819 parents Richard and Elizabeth nee Barret Hood
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Richard Hood burial 30th Dec 1838 aged 64 (Born est 1774/5) Jenning Street, Groves Sutton Parish in Hull.
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marriage 29th Nov 1853 Parish of Sculcoates nr Hull
His sister Susannah Hood 26 b 1828 married James Brough 26 Bach -occ Hooperman father William brough occ Hooperman (Hooper / Hoop shaver Made hoops for casks and barrels http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/h.html)
Susannah Hood 26 spinster Father Richard Hood occ Mariner
Round the comer from Jenning Street is John Gibson Cooper (origin ? ) Hight St 1829 trades directory Hull
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Mark -Your Robert Hood of Gateshead Will - Probate (mentioning Ryle) 1812-and 1816 update
In this Will page 1- it says - " to my brother in saw Peter Sinclair"
Seem to remember a man called Robert Sinclair mentioned on George Hood intent to marry Sarah Russel Bond & Allegation 1815 Selby
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6055410#msg6055410
Robert Hood of Gateshead (mentioning Ryle)
"Robert HOOD, gentleman, of Windmill hills in the parish of Gateshead in the county of Durham [Gateshead, County Durham]"
Date of probate: 1 October 1812
"Will and codicil used in the court case on 20 May 1816: Jane Stodhart (wife of the Reverend Robert Stodhart), Samuel Hood, Peter Hood and Benjamin Hood v John Ryle, John Linsay Angus and Jabez Hood"
Three images here, but no George or John Hood mentioned
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11848-147714-50
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Richard Hood -mariner - born 1774 origin ? - married 1817 Hull - died 1838 Hull
his son William Hood a Cooper b 1819 parents Richard and Elizabeth nee Barret Hood
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Richard Hood burial 30th Dec 1838 aged 64 (Born est 1774/5) Jenning Street, Groves Sutton Parish in Hull.
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marriage 29th Nov 1853 Parish of Sculcoates nr Hull
His sister Susannah Hood 26 b 1828 married James Brough 26 Bach -occ Hooperman father William brough occ Hooperman (Hooper / Hoop shaver Made hoops for casks and barrels http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/h.html)
Susannah Hood 26 spinster Father Richard Hood occ Mariner
Round the comer from Jenning Street is John Gibson Cooper (origin ? ) Hight St 1829 trades directory Hull
Hello dobfarm, Claire and All
I see you found the Hood & Ryle, Newcastle, information I posted on another thread, for another Rootschatter. I noticed the reference to Sinclair too.
Been going through the Hoods in North-east newspapers and Jabez Hood (defendant) got into a Court dispute in 1827 Hammond v. Hood, regarding a loan of 300.l from Edw Hammond who sought to recover it from Jabez Hood and in the pre-amble to this later Court dispute it says ...
The late Mr Robert Hood, the father of the defendant had carried on successfully, for many years, the trade of Victualler, and dying in 1812, when his family were minors, their affairs got into the Court of Chancery. Mr Hammond was appointed by the Court of Chancery to conduct the business in 1816, and continued to conduct for several years.
Mr Hammond had been instructed in the art of rectifying, and had, for a considerable time, conducted a distillery at Brighton.
There are least four files ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_st=adv&_ep=Stodhart&_cr1=C&_dss=range&_sd=1812&_ed=1820&_ro=any
Stodhart v Ryle. Depositions.
Plaintiffs: Jane Stodhard the wife of Robert Stodhart.
Defendants: John Ryle, Robert Stodhart, John Linsay Angus and Jabez Hood.
Revived Trinity 1829.
[W1813 S27].
Stodhart v Ryle. Examination.
Plaintiffs: Jane Stodhard the wife of Robert Stodhart.
Defendants: John Ryle, Robert Stodhart, John Linsay Angus and Jabez Hood.
Revived Trinity 1829.
[W1813 S27].
Stodhart v Ryle. Answer.
Plaintiffs: Jane Stodhard the wife of Robert Stodhart.
Defendants: John Ryle, Robert Stodhart, John Linsay Angus and Jabez Hood.
Revived Trinity 1829
[W1813 S27].
Stodhart v Angus. Bill and two answers.
Plaintiffs: Jane Stodhard the wife of Robert Stodhart.
Defendants: John Ryle, Robert Stodhart, John Linsay Angus and Jabez Hood.
Revived Trinity 1829.
SFP
Jomot quoting Claire, from Page 9 of the ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.72
Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 ...
Reply #79 on: Tuesday 23 August 16 10:49 BST (UK)
See also Reply #75 on: Tuesday 23 August 16 08:48 BST (UK)
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1808, Jane Hood of Gateshead, marriage ...
The Rev. Robert Stodhart, of Stepney, Middlesex, to Miss Jane Hood, of Gateshead.
(not checked marriage, her age, or possible parentage)
12 Jan 1783 All Saints, Newcastle, Jane Hood d/o John Hood, Waterman
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ia6/
Also discovered that Jabez Hood was distilling "Newcastle Gin".
Regards Mark
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Wonder if this is the marriage
17 March 1788 after Banns at Flyingdales, both OTP
Peter SINCLAIR aged 37 labourer
Jane HOOD aged 40
WITNESSES: William Hood and Jon? Barker
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Edited
Its seems Robert Hood birth 1771 is as allusive as Richard Hood birth 1774 (father of William Hood the cooper bapt 1817) and John Hood birth 1756 ( father of George Hood bapt 1786 Gateshead)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6S83-81W?i=1051&wc=M6KL-FWG%3A129244701%2C129244702%3Fcc%3D1675690&cc=1675690
Flick a page back Bond and allegation
All GatesHead and London
Jabez Hood birth noconformist 1799 Parents Robert Mary (????)
Widower Robert Hood married Mary Sinclair 1806
Samuel 1807 noconformist Parents Robert Hood
Peter Hood 1808 noconformist Parents Robert Mary (Sinclair)
Benjamin Hood 1809 noconformist Parents Robert Mary (Sinclair)
http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Ahood~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Agateshead~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1799-1812~
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Arobert~%20%2Bsurname%3Ahood~%20%2Bmarriage_place%3Agateshead~%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1806-1806~
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6S83-81W?i=1051&wc=M6KL-FWG%3A129244701%2C129244702%3Fcc%3D1675690&cc=1675690
Flick a page back Bond and allegation
All GatesHead and London
Jabez Hood birth noconformist 1799 Parents Robert Mary (????)
Widower Robert Hood married Mary Sinclair 1806
Samuel 1807 noconformist Parents Robert Hood
Peter Hood 1808 noconformist Parents Robert Mary (Sinclair)
Benjamin Hood 1809 noconformist Parents Robert Mary (Sinclair)
http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Ahood~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Agateshead~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1799-1812~
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Arobert~%20%2Bsurname%3Ahood~%20%2Bmarriage_place%3Agateshead~%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1806-1806~
Thanks Claire and dobfarm
I've updated my post and you will see from my newspaper report that Jabez Hood is the son of Robert Hood a Victualler who died 1812.
Also found a quote on Rootschat (see my last post) re Jane Stodhart nee Jane Hood of Gateshead.
Whether John Hood, Mariner who married Elizabeth Gibson in December 1779 is linked, or a 'loose canon' remains to be seen.
Regards Mark
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John Gibson Cooper 1829 Trades Directory Hull Holder the Keys - so to speak.
Annoying -He is just there -GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrH
Quote: Mark
"Whether John Hood, Mariner who married Elizabeth Gibson in December 1779 is linked, or a 'loose canon' remains to be seen". unquote.
Just as important !!
If George Hood son of John Hood bapt 1786 Gateshead was not George Hood died 1845 Selby -then - The big Question- What happened to George Hood b 1786 after life ?
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Reply 75 by BushInn1746 on page 9
1808, Jane Hood of Gateshead, Marriage
The Rev. Robert Stodhart, of Stepney, Middlesex, to Miss Jane Hood, of Gateshead.
(not checked marriage, her age, or possible parentage)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MU0oAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA382&lpg=PA382&dq=%22Hood+of+Gateshead%22&source=bl&ots=h0-xGupdtP&sig=3HR3eUWuuWP7L9YMNfsMYiAOY4Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMn7WA-dbOAhXqLsAKHfIpBrEQ6AEIIjAB
Reply 77 by Claire ...
From reading the threads re the burial of George Hood and a possible Non Conformist burial taking place - the Jane Hood that married Rev Robert Stodhart may be worth looking into further.
A Rev. Robert Stodhart was a Methodist New Connexion minister. Born 1779-1846
Info from stgite.org.uk
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I have Jane Stodhardts Will in front of me dated 1829 ~ there is a reference to Robert Hood of Windmill Hills in it..
Possible sibling of Robert?
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Jane Stodhardt buried 3 July 1829 of Epping Essex. AGED 40 ( NC dissenters register)
so a Jane Hood birth c1789
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Reply 75 by BushInn1746 on page 9
1808, Jane Hood of Gateshead, Marriage
The Rev. Robert Stodhart, of Stepney, Middlesex, to Miss Jane Hood, of Gateshead.
(not checked marriage, her age, or possible parentage)
Here is the Stodhart/Hood marriage bond. Jane was the daughter of a Robert Hood, and was a minor at the time of the marriage (details at the bottom of the page)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ikg/
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Jane Hood daughter of Robert Hood and JANE RYLE ( daughter of Johnathon Ryle)
Jabez Hood also shared same parentage.
NC images are on F M P
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Peter and Benjamin sons of Robert Hood and Mary Sinclair( daughter of Peter and Jane Sinclair)
So is that Jane Sinclair NEE HOOD ?
I'm confused
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Reply 75 by BushInn1746 on page 9
1808, Jane Hood of Gateshead, Marriage
The Rev. Robert Stodhart, of Stepney, Middlesex, to Miss Jane Hood, of Gateshead.
(not checked marriage, her age, or possible parentage)
Here is the Stodhart/Hood marriage bond. Jane was the daughter of a Robert Hood, and was a minor at the time of the marriage (details at the bottom of the page)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ikg/
Thanks Jen
Now I'm wondering if the John Hood buried at the Ballast Hills Cemetery is John Hood (father to Geo Hood at Gateshead 1st October 1786).
With the exception of Quakers and I think Jews, Non-conformists at this time had to marry in C of E / Anglican Church often with an Allegation / Bond.
Someone has said to me, that some N-C only baptised their children to qualify for a cheaper burial at their local Church graveyard and save transporting the body elsewhere, if they should die as children, or minors.
Regards Mark
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Peter and Benjamin sons of Robert Hood and Mary Sinclair( daughter of Peter and Jane Sinclair)
So is that Jane Sinclair NEE HOOD ?
I'm confused
Claire
Jane Stodhart was nee Miss Jane Hood of Gateshead, don't know about the other.
This ties up with the Marriage document found by Jen ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MU0oAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA382&lpg=PA382&dq=%22Hood+of+Gateshead%22&source=bl&ots=h0-xGupdtP&sig=3HR3eUWuuWP7L9YMNfsMYiAOY4Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMn7WA-dbOAhXqLsAKHfIpBrEQ6AEIIjAB
Regards Mark
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Jane Stodhart born 1789 was Miss Jane Hood born 7 Feb 1789 daughter of Robert Hood and Mary nee Ryle.
Robert Hoods second wife Mary Sinclair was daughter to Peter Sinclair and Jane nee Hood
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.72
Reply 75 by BushInn1746 on page 9
1808, Jane Hood of Gateshead, Marriage
The Rev. Robert Stodhart, of Stepney, Middlesex, to Miss Jane Hood, of Gateshead.
(not checked marriage, her age, or possible parentage)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MU0oAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA382&lpg=PA382&dq=%22Hood+of+Gateshead%22&source=bl&ots=h0-xGupdtP&sig=3HR3eUWuuWP7L9YMNfsMYiAOY4Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMn7WA-dbOAhXqLsAKHfIpBrEQ6AEIIjAB
Reply 77 by Claire ...
From reading the threads re the burial of George Hood and a possible Non Conformist burial taking place - the Jane Hood that married Rev Robert Stodhart may be worth looking into further.
A Rev. Robert Stodhart was a Methodist New Connexion minister. Born 1779-1846
Info from stgite.org.uk
Now there's a thing
John Hood
Baptism 16 Jan 1757
ST MARY WHITECHAPEL, STEPNEY, LONDON
Father Luke Hood
Mother Sarah
Luke Hood, Mariner, B., & Sarah Taylor, of Stepney, S. Sep
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=Luke+Hood+mariner
Luke Hood X Sarah Taylor 02 Sep 1748
Saint George Mayfair,Westminster,London,England
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Ahood~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Aengland~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1748-1770~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Aluke~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Asarah~
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Perhaps, a bit too early for me to chip this in, but this might be Robert Hood's father?
Found this earlier in the newspaper ... Robert Hood, D. D., from Brampton, who apparently died early 1780s. Late Minister of the Chapel in Hanover Square, Newcastle upon Tyne.
Hanover Square Chapel
A Descriptive and Historical Account of the Town and County of Newcastle upon Tyne, Including the Borough of Gateshead.
by E. Mackenzie
p.370
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CPsVAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA385&lpg=PA385&dq=newcastle+upon+tyne+and+Gateshead+presbyterian+%22Hanover+Square+chapel%22&source=bl&ots=ZSHeMt1uS9&sig=1DLOmBP4OoNOUwTn9Uckx9bK5sE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi0spHvlqvPAhWLKsAKHdmRBLcQ6AEIITAD
Family Search ...
Presbyterian births and baptisms, Newcastle upon Tyne : Association Congregation of the Close, 1752-1837, indexed : Hanover Square Chapel, 1752-1859, indexed : Clavering Place Chapel, 1802-1837, indexed
Brampton Presbyterian Church, Cumberland
Records 1712 - 1950, Catalogue Reference DFCP 1, at the Cumbria Archive Centre, Carlisle
Thank you for the inputs so far, I'm wondering if my George Hood is linked to John Hood, Mariner and with links to the Hood Newcastle Presbyterians?
It would certainly explain no George Hood Selby Parish burial!
Kind regards Mark
EDIT: Robert Hood the Minister appears to have arrived in Newcastle 1780, to replace Samuel Lowthion.
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Hello All
My 4 X times Gt. Grandfather George Hood, appears in the Selby Land Tax records in 1812 and married Sarah Russel at Selby 18 July 1815 (Marriage Intention and Bond to the Selby Peculiar Court dated 16 May 1815), giving his age as 28 years and Occupation as Cooper in all Marriage documents.
George Hood lives at Selby, becoming a Retail Brewer by about 1826 and has a Tannery at Selby by about 1830 and dies at Selby 18 September 1845, age given as 60 years on Death Certificate. His Selby Will bundle confirms his death date, mentions Wren Lane and Gowthorpe and that he was a Brewer and Tanner.
There is NO Baptism entry in the Selby Parish Register for George Hood and NO Selby burial record either.
There is also no record of any Selby burial for four of his adult children and nor his Widow Sarah Hood who died 11 Gowthorpe, Selby, on 28 November 1879 aged 86, in the Selby Parish Register, nor in the Selby Council Cemetery either (opened 1858).
My George Hood, is not the same George Hood of Morpeth, Northumberland, nor the Army George Hood who died at Leeds, earlier in September 1845.
1863 South Bishopwearmouth / Sunderland
However, when James and Sarah Hood of Selby, had their son James Alfred Hood on 25 September 1863, they gave their address as 34 Blandford Street, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland, but were back at Selby for the birth of their next child.
James Hood (father of James Alfred Hood) was one of five sons of my mysterious 4 X Gt. Grandfather George Hood who married at Selby in July 1815.
1st Oct 1786 Gateshead, Baptism - Geo: Son of John Hood
The above George Hood Marriage and Death documents confirm a birth circa 1785 to 1787 for George Hood, making the Gateshead Baptism Geo: S. of John Hood, an ideal suggestion, but I have absolutely no document to link this George Hood of Gateshead to the appearance of George Hood of Selby.
1787 Whitehead's Newcastle Directory, printed by T. Angus
Alphabetical List of the People in Trade, &c. in GATESHEAD, COUNTY OF DURHAM.
Hood John, publican, Ship, South-shore
John Hood of Gateshead was the Publican of the "Ship" in the 1787 Directory (later known as The Ship Inn), but for how long is unclear?
Brief Summary of Research on other Hoods in Gateshead and Newcastle
1787 Directory also lists:-
Anthony Hood, fitter, office, Broad chair.
Robert Hood, Spirit-dealer, north fide [side], Sandhill.
1786 - Robert Hood from Newcastle to Sunderland
BNA online - Newcastle Courant 7 October 1786 - Robert Hood from Newcastle wishes to acquaint his friends and the public, that he has entered upon the King's Head Inn, SUNDERLAND.
1791 The Universal British Directory of Trade, Commerce, and Manufacture
Newcastle, re Anthony Hood, fitter ...
Anthony Hood,
Fitter of Simpsons - Pontop,
Tanfield-moor,
Blaydon-main,
Longbenton,
South-moor,
Whitefield,
Ryton-moor, and
Marly-hill, Coals.
Sounds like Anthony Hood of Newcastle, was a firm with contracts to the coal mining industry.
Scroll back to pages 35 & 36 for Rob. Hood and Anthony Hood ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4QwHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=%22Simpson+and+Blackett%22&source=bl&ots=yd7-ZBDUMN&sig=3ZNB25fTZJsnaUE1MqlcE7JJAqY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjIq4Od4s_OAhXMJsAKHeqQD0sQ6AEIGzAA
1799 Anthony Hood of Newcastle
NC council - Archaeology 2005
"George Wray, brick maker on South Shore, also owned a rope-walk (HER 5650; Fig 12) in 1771 (op cit, p 78). This may be the same as that established by Stoddart and Co. in 1795 at Saltmeadows (HER 4366: Fig 12) and soon owned solely by a former partner Anthony Hood. In 1799 Hood introduced a rope-making machine, patented by William Chapman in 1798. This technological innovation eventually superceded the earlier rope-walks and marked the beginning of the growth of ropemaking in Gateshead (op cit, p 78)."
Question
Looking for any document please, regarding John Hood of Gateshead and son George, to fill the gaps and/or to see if the George Hood 1786 baptism at St Mary's Gateshead, links to my George Hood of Selby, who appears in the Selby Land Tax in 1812?
I am also wondering if John Hood, Publican of the Ship, continued to renew his Victuallers Licence at Gateshead, or elsewhere in the Newcastle area?
Thank you.
Kind regards, Mark
Think about it !
Satement 1
The above George Hood Marriage and Death documents confirm a birth circa 1785 to 1787 for George Hood, making the Gateshead Baptism Geo: S. of John Hood, an ideal suggestion, but I have absolutely no document to link this George Hood of Gateshead to the appearance of George Hood of Selby.
Statement 2
It can't also be said there are absolutely no documents of elimination to prove that Geo Hood son of John 1786 was not George Hood who died 1845 Selby .
Statement 3
Baptism Geo Hood son of John 1786 Gateshead, with no infant burial of Geo, there are absolutely no documents to say who he was after his baptism - just a beginning of a life.
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I can't assume anything really, especially as there was a reference to a John Hood, Mariner at Selby, Yorkshire, where I definitely know that Selby, was where my 4 X Gt. Grandfather George Hood was from.
There are two other births at least (possibly three), for the age of 60 years [58 years calculated from George Hood's age given at Marriage], when George Hood died 18th September 1845.
There is even another George Hood bapt/birth giving 1st October 1786.
I can't rule out a Borders / Scottish connection either.
See the images for:-
19th May 1786 of Grange, Rhynd, Perthshire
01st Oct 1786 Monymusk, Aberdeenshire
24th Oct 1787 Brockholes, Coldingham, Berwickshire
Regards Mark
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Have you tried to do some eliminating of the above 3 baptisms by looking for marriages or burials and other indicators like types of categories like occupations or class status or wealth of the families studied.
It doubtful a businessman from a far, would take on such a specialised bankrupt business without the skills of that trade himself, having to depend on the workmen's unknown skills and history of the mens personalities of reliabilities at work or their healths without prior local knowledge or family knowledge. Its possible the business went bust if the main customer was dropping off orders being the main reason the cooper business went to the wall - meaning the cooper business running operatations were ok bearing in mind R Gibson was advertising for a skilled copper 7 years before in 1800.
Maybe time to do a bit recapping ! as there has been a mega lot of associated George Hood info that has been put on Rootchat over the last 12 months :-\
I'll leave you with it but its been fun. :)
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I know no burials have been found for George and his wife Sarah, could you list the names and dates of his children you have no burials for.
Thanks
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I know no burials have been found for George and his wife Sarah, could you list the names and dates of his children you have no burials for.
Thanks
All deaths GRO Selby district
George Hood died "at Selby" 18 September 1845,
wife Sarah Hood 1879 death
Richard Hood, Grocer, died of Consumption Certified [pulmonary TB], Market Place, Selby 2 May 1850, aged 23 yrs (newspapers 23/ 24 yrs);
Sarah Hood, died of Phthisis, Wren Lane, Selby 22 September 1853, aged 18 years;
Mary Hood, died of Phthisis, Wren Lane, Selby 24 November 1854, aged 34 years;
Ellen Hood, died of Phthisis, Wren Lane, Selby 27 July 1855, aged 23 years.
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Thank you All,
Also been looking at the writing style of 'George' and 'Hood' in the Coldingham, Berwickshire Register entry and the writing looks a bit similar in places, to George Hood's signature (top left of my posts) in the Selby Deed, although George Hood's Marriage Allegation and Bond Signatures are more circular on the stick of the 'd'. Perhaps the Coldingham Clerk was a Teacher.
Although the 1841 Census for George Hood suggests a Yorkshire birthplace, we also suspect a possible Selby Mariner connection (connection not proven), but both an elderly John Hood (82 yrs in Apr 1819), Jane wife of John Hood of Selby Mariner (65 yrs in Aug 1803) and also my George Hood lived at Selby.
I'm having to keep an open mind, but Gateshead Durham and Newcastle are of great interest too.
I posted in the relevant Scottish Counties (with two specific questions) to see if I can rule out any of these Scottish ones.
Thanks, Mark
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I think that I would be inclined to look for the marriages of the parents named in these 3 baptisms to see if there are occupations mentioned - this is the era of the Dade-type registers. ;)
John Hood and Alison Fife
William Hood and Agnes Lamb - unlikely as he is said to be a Gardener
John Hood and Christian Donaldson
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Hello All
Thanks dobfarm for those emails, getting the feeling that there were Hoods in most Yorks Parishes. Thinking of going to Newcastle (or pay Archives to do a few checks), but feeling cynical.
George Hood, is simply a 'loose cannon' rolling around in Selby, who has left no clue, in anything found so far. Something makes us believe C of E and yet also non-conformist. Perhaps, he changed religion, like the weather.
All a Big Mystery
George Hood died "at Selby" 18 September 1845 aged 60 yrs, Tanner & Brewer. Three newspapers Yorkshire Gazette; York Herald and The Leeds Intelligencer (say 63 yrs).
However 28 years old in 1815 (Marriage), so likely 58 to 59 years (in his 60th year).
Sarah Hood "Widow of George HOOD Tanner", died 11 Gowthorpe, Selby 28 November 1879, aged 86 yrs, baptised at Selby.
Their adult children:-
Richard Hood Grocer, died Market Place, Selby 2 May 1850, aged 23 yrs (Sheffield and Rotherham Independent; York Herald; Hull Advertiser; Hull Packet; Leeds Mercury and Leeds Intelligencer - newspapers 23/ 24 yrs)
Sarah Hood died Selby 22 September 1853, aged 18 years;
Mary Hood died Selby 24 November 1854, aged 34 years;
Ellen Hood died Selby 27 July 1855, aged 23 years.
Regarding Parish Churchyards, it would seem even when closed, if one parent was buried in the churchyard, the spouse and unmarried adult children could be buried there too.
Died before 1851 Census
No Child baptisms with a Desent
No suggestion in Marriage Allegation and Bond, only that George Hood appeared to be from the Peculiar jurisdiction of Selby and Chester Newby of the same place, Miller, was Bondsman.
No Brewing Excise Applications survive for 1820s WYAS (George Hood became a Retail Brewer about 1825/1826)
No Apprenticeship found to date
Not Registered at Coopers Hall
No Overseer of the Poor records for 1838, the year George Hood was elected
No accident at George Hood's Tannery or Brewery premises, or apparent business dispute in newspapers.
No Court dispute found to date involving George Hood Sen'r being in dispute, giving his father.
No suggestion of George's origin in property Deed Registrations
No request for place of burial in Probate Bundle
Hood sons were Admitted to Manor of Selby (late Thomas Gouldsbrough's Copyhold property), no help in Gouldsbrough's Will, seems the Hood sons settled the late Gouldsbrough's Mortgage and paid the widow, what had already been paid off mortgage.
No Gibson Bankruptcy File and Bankruptcy Registers leave no hint, even who the Creditors were.
A Mr Hood apparently in Selby Land Tax from at least 1781, likely to be John Hood as he appears as an Occupier when a house of John Spencer in Millgate was sold in 1802.
James Cockin, Witness at the Selby July 1815 Marriage. James Cockin name seems to be Thorne, to Doncaster area. Cockin at Luddington Lincs, Blacktoft etc., see the Jane Cockin thread, Signature on original Marriage reads James Cockin.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=747759.0
What we know is that George Hood left up to £1500 in 1845, plus some property at Gowthorpe and Wren Lane, Selby (Tannery - Gowthorpe with Engine House and three dwellings, yards and workshops, Malt Kilns at Gowthorpe and Wren Lane), with dwelling and Yard Wren Lane.
G. H. had also acquired a substantial amount of property in Ousegate in 1838, mostly transferred immediately from George Hood to James Collinson (suggesting George Hood provided the money as a Mortgagor and James Collinson was Mortgagee) and which William Hood (his Son) was a Trustee on Collinson's Will (possibly until a repayment was satisfied) and was still a Trustee when William Hood the Trustee later ordered that Widow Collinson's Ousegate properties be sold. When it seems, they passed to another Collinson. James Collinson's Will, only seems to refer to William Hood as a Trustee, but its a long Will.
Jonathan Hutchinson features in G.H. Will and a John Adams seems to be mentioned when widow Sarah Hood offers the Tannery for sale.
Thanks for all your efforts, from you Rootschat stalwarts.
Regards Mark
September 1845 Yorkshire Burial Registers checked ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.234
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You have amassed some very good quality records of a nice little story !! rare pre 1841 census info of the adult life history from 1812 in Selby of George Hood d 1845 aged 60 taking you back to 1785, which is a lot more than most family history researchers have in that time period and you have Sarah Russel with her trade ( Straw Hat maker, tanner, grocer), life history which is rare info in its own right !! also her FH to work on.
I think a lot of FH trees going back from earliest post 1837 GRO death records, age at death estimated birth years in mid to late 1700's baptisms years, are calculated best guess only without substance but normal standard ;), and with most are limited single line PR info, no parent father named on marriages either pre 1837 and no age at burial entries pre 1750, unless very lucky to have a very wealthy FH records or gravestone MI's & bond allegations of intent to marry with age on.
https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch
https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?AcctView=Login&SrchView=Basic&lang=E&sessionid=220690784&DetsView=Content§ion=ARTICLES&context=20110609_1
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Hi
Durham R.O., confirmed that St Mary's Gateshead 1 Oct 1786 Baptism of Geo: S of John Hood was theirs some time ago.
Checking if Tyne and Wear Archives have a more detailed Parish Register.
No Hood, in any of the Muster Rolls of Vessels with MARY in her name, for Shields and other Northern Ports. Because a John Hood was Master of the MARY of Inverness at Newcastle Quay in the newspaper advert for the 19th November 1782 Auction, arrived via Shields.
Checking if any Scottish record.
There are some Custom files for Newcastle and asked, if anyone knows what they contain
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg6064614#msg6064614
Regards Mark
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Few links
http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/About/Partners/Archives-and-document-storage.aspx?nccredirect=1
http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/WAMDocuments/A9D82B64-7BBB-4DC4-99BA-D02B9AEC3949_1_0.pdf?nccredirect=1
Very bottom of page in link below but general info good reading aswell.
Note mariners North Easterners abroad extracts -so there must be more wills somewhere
http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/WAMDocuments/A9D82B64-7BBB-4DC4-99BA-D02B9AEC3949_1_0.pdf?nccredirect=1
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Thanks
Yes, I had also heard, that not all Mariners Wills appear in the usual PC Will Calendars and Indexes.
Got a list of the Hoods from the first H volume of the Navy Register of Wills at reply 37 here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.37
These Will Registers can be downloaded by volume, in ADM 142
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1851
Some Seamans Wills survive ...
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/wills-royal-navy-royal-marines-personnel-1786-1882/
Regards Mark
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Are these Hood Navy Wills on one of the Family History Sites please, as we could go into town and see them ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=Hood&discoveryCustomSearch=true&_cr1=ADM+48++&_col=200&_dt=W&_hb=tna
Thanks Mark
EDIT Re: Tyne and Wear Archives ...
Question: ... is there a Gateshead PARISH Baptism REGISTER for the 1st October 1786 HOOD baptism, besides the attached Bishop's Transcript copy and does the PR contain more information?
Answer: The ancient parish for the area of Gateshead was St Marys C of E. I have checked the microfilm copy we hold for this church and confirm that no additional details are recorded for the baptism of George Hood on 1 October 2016.
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Hello dobfarm, Claire and All
I see you found the Hood & Ryle, Newcastle, information I posted on another thread, for another Rootschatter. I noticed the reference to Sinclair too.
Been going through the Hoods in North-east newspapers and Jabez Hood (defendant) got into a Court dispute in 1827 Hammond v. Hood, regarding a loan of 300.l from Edw Hammond who sought to recover it from Jabez Hood and in the pre-amble to this later Court dispute it says ...
The late Mr Robert Hood, the father of the defendant had carried on successfully, for many years, the trade of Victualler, and dying in 1812, when his family were minors, their affairs got into the Court of Chancery. Mr Hammond was appointed by the Court of Chancery to conduct the business in 1816, and continued to conduct for several years.
Mr Hammond had been instructed in the art of rectifying, and had, for a considerable time, conducted a distillery at Brighton.
There are least four files ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_st=adv&_ep=Stodhart&_cr1=C&_dss=range&_sd=1812&_ed=1820&_ro=any
Stodhart v Ryle. Depositions.
Plaintiffs: Jane Stodhard the wife of Robert Stodhart.
Defendants: John Ryle, Robert Stodhart, John Linsay Angus and Jabez Hood.
Revived Trinity 1829.
[W1813 S27].
Stodhart v Ryle. Examination.
Plaintiffs: Jane Stodhard the wife of Robert Stodhart.
Defendants: John Ryle, Robert Stodhart, John Linsay Angus and Jabez Hood.
Revived Trinity 1829.
[W1813 S27].
Stodhart v Ryle. Answer.
Plaintiffs: Jane Stodhard the wife of Robert Stodhart.
Defendants: John Ryle, Robert Stodhart, John Linsay Angus and Jabez Hood.
Revived Trinity 1829
[W1813 S27].
Stodhart v Angus. Bill and two answers.
Plaintiffs: Jane Stodhard the wife of Robert Stodhart.
Defendants: John Ryle, Robert Stodhart, John Linsay Angus and Jabez Hood.
Revived Trinity 1829.
SFP
Jomot quoting Claire, from Page 9 of the ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.72
Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 ...
Reply #79 on: Tuesday 23 August 16 10:49 BST (UK)
See also Reply #75 on: Tuesday 23 August 16 08:48 BST (UK)
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1808, Jane Hood of Gateshead, marriage ...
The Rev. Robert Stodhart, of Stepney, Middlesex, to Miss Jane Hood, of Gateshead.
(not checked marriage, her age, or possible parentage)
12 Jan 1783 All Saints, Newcastle, Jane Hood d/o John Hood, Waterman
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ia6/
Also discovered that Jabez Hood was distilling "Newcastle Gin".
Regards Mark
Towards the end of the above quote I made the suggestion that Jane Hood of Gateshead who married Robert Stodhart of Stepney, Middlesex, a Dissenting Minister, may be the same Jane baptised to John Hood the Waterman, at All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne 12th January 1783.
Any suggestion the two Jane Hoods might be the same, was wrong.
The Monthly Magazine, Volume 26
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MU0oAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA382&lpg=PA382&dq=%22Hood+of+Gateshead%22&source=bl&ots=h0-CDsr9uO&sig=FCK6QYx5b1pIw5SyZDQxr-WDYBE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3zuqtmd_PAhWoBsAKHbmODIoQ6AEIKDAB#v=onepage&q=%22Hood%20of%20Gateshead%22&f=false
Upon checking the 11th October 1808 Marriage Intention/Allegation of Robert Stodhart of Stepney, Middlesex and Jane Hood of the Parish of Gateshead, it states that Robert Hood was the natural and lawful father of Jane Hood, a spinster and a minor aged 19 years.
Their Bond refers to "Robert Stodhart of Stepney in the County of Middlesex Dissenting Minister and Robert Hood of Gateshead in the County of Durham Esquire"
Regards Mark
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Hello dobfarm, Claire and All
I see you found the Hood & Ryle, Newcastle, information I posted on another thread, for another Rootschatter. I noticed the reference to Sinclair too.
Been going through the Hoods in North-east newspapers and Jabez Hood (defendant) got into a Court dispute in 1827 Hammond v. Hood, regarding a loan of 300.l from Edw Hammond who sought to recover it from Jabez Hood and in the pre-amble to this later Court dispute it says ...
The late Mr Robert Hood, the father of the defendant had carried on successfully, for many years, the trade of Victualler, and dying in 1812, when his family were minors, their affairs got into the Court of Chancery. Mr Hammond was appointed by the Court of Chancery to conduct the business in 1816, and continued to conduct for several years.
Mr Hammond had been instructed in the art of rectifying, and had, for a considerable time, conducted a distillery at Brighton.
There are least four files ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_st=adv&_ep=Stodhart&_cr1=C&_dss=range&_sd=1812&_ed=1820&_ro=any
Stodhart v Ryle. Depositions.
Plaintiffs: Jane Stodhard the wife of Robert Stodhart.
Defendants: John Ryle, Robert Stodhart, John Linsay Angus and Jabez Hood.
Revived Trinity 1829.
[W1813 S27].
Stodhart v Ryle. Examination.
Plaintiffs: Jane Stodhard the wife of Robert Stodhart.
Defendants: John Ryle, Robert Stodhart, John Linsay Angus and Jabez Hood.
Revived Trinity 1829.
[W1813 S27].
Stodhart v Ryle. Answer.
Plaintiffs: Jane Stodhard the wife of Robert Stodhart.
Defendants: John Ryle, Robert Stodhart, John Linsay Angus and Jabez Hood.
Revived Trinity 1829
[W1813 S27].
Stodhart v Angus. Bill and two answers.
Plaintiffs: Jane Stodhard the wife of Robert Stodhart.
Defendants: John Ryle, Robert Stodhart, John Linsay Angus and Jabez Hood.
Revived Trinity 1829.
SFP
Jomot quoting Claire, from Page 9 of the ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.72
Re: Richard Gibson married 1792 ...
Reply #79 on: Tuesday 23 August 16 10:49 BST (UK)
See also Reply #75 on: Tuesday 23 August 16 08:48 BST (UK)
...
1808, Jane Hood of Gateshead, marriage ...
The Rev. Robert Stodhart, of Stepney, Middlesex, to Miss Jane Hood, of Gateshead.
(not checked marriage, her age, or possible parentage)
12 Jan 1783 All Saints, Newcastle, Jane Hood d/o John Hood, Waterman
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ia6/
Also discovered that Jabez Hood was distilling "Newcastle Gin".
Regards Mark
Towards the end of the above quote I made the suggestion that Jane Hood of Gateshead who married Robert Stodhart of Stepney, Middlesex, a Dissenting Minister, may be the same Jane baptised to John Hood the Waterman, at All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne 12th January 1783.
Any suggestion the two Jane Hoods might be the same, was wrong.
The Monthly Magazine, Volume 26
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MU0oAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA382&lpg=PA382&dq=%22Hood+of+Gateshead%22&source=bl&ots=h0-CDsr9uO&sig=FCK6QYx5b1pIw5SyZDQxr-WDYBE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3zuqtmd_PAhWoBsAKHbmODIoQ6AEIKDAB#v=onepage&q=%22Hood%20of%20Gateshead%22&f=false
Upon checking the 11th October 1808 Marriage Intention/Allegation of Robert Stodhart of Stepney, Middlesex and Jane Hood of the Parish of Gateshead, it states that Robert Hood was the natural and lawful father of Jane Hood, a spinster and a minor aged 19 years.
Their Bond refers to "Robert Stodhart of Stepney in the County of Middlesex Dissenting Minister and Robert Hood of Gateshead in the County of Durham Esquire"
Regards Mark
The two Hood's that still bother me are:
Richard Hood mariner b 1774 (born where) married Sutton upon Hull (Sculcoates)
John Hood residing publican Ship southshore Gateshead 1787
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Not sure if you have had this.
There was a Richard Hood baptised in Leven, Yorks., about 11 miles from Sutton upon Hull.
Richard bpt. 9th August 1771 son of Richard and Susanna.
EDIT: Lots of children: Ann, Hannah, Elizabeth, William , Susanna, Sarah and Grace.
Father Richard a weaver married Susanna Drew Catwick 1758.
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Not sure if you have had this.
There was a Richard Hood baptised in Leven, Yorks., about 11 miles from Sutton upon Hull.
Richard bpt. 9th August 1771 son of Richard and Susanna.
EDIT: Lots of children: Ann, Hannah, Elizabeth, William , Susanna, Sarah and Grace.
Father Richard a weaver married Susanna Drew Catwick 1758.
Thanks Claire
British History Online says that William Wells devised the Manor of Catwick to a Richard Hood. A Brother was William Hood.
Marriage of one Richard Hood, mentions Scarborough (think one wife of Richard Hood was from Scarborough)?
From British History Online
"(fn. 48) In 1764 Joseph sold the reunited estate to William Wells, and it had passed by 1787 to Well's devisees Richard Hood and his brother William (d. 1852). (fn. 49)"
May be (fn. 48) or (fn. 49)
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/yorks/east/vol7/pp255-261#anchorn49
Richard Hood married Susanna Drew 31 Jan 1759 Catwick.
Richard Hood Wine & Sprit Merchant was baptised Leven 1771 and wife was Caroline Helen Hood (abt 20 yrs younger than Richard), born Castle Howard, appearing in the Census at Stamford Bridge.
Using newspapers, I can link Richard Hood of Stamford Bridge, born Leven [next to Catwick] to Wells Hood of York (born Dunnington), a Wine & Spirit Merchant. Richard Hood was also a Seed Merchant.
Also Wells Hood, almost certainly gets "Wells" from William Wells of Catwick.
Regards Mark
Wells Hood is reputed to be buried in York Minster?
But when I went to check if my George Hood was buried there in 2nd half of September 1845, the Borthwick had all of the York churches, except the Minster burials?
Richard Hood 24 of Stamford Bridge and Elizabeth Williford 20 of Scarborough got a marriage licence on 23 Apr 1794.
Marriage on same day, but says spouses father's name was William Hale (bride's surname still given as Williford) and her residence was York. (info from another Rootschatter)
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Just to log info
River Trent area.
(bearing in mind John Hood 1779 marriage to Eliz Gibson was a mariner {waterman ?)
REPTON
(Only one child by 1781 Elizabeth)
R43 John HOOD, Elizabeth wife, (daug) Elizabeth 1781 removed from Ticknall to Repton
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm
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I'm losing track , there's so much info.
Has this birth been looked at given William and Elizabeth Cook nee Hoods family were in Tynemouth
John HOOD bpt. 1 July 1792 Tynemouth Christ Church
Father: John Hood, occ. Marir.
Abode: No. Sh.
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Sticking with the Tynemouth/North Shields connection, just a reminder:
Seamens Wills: No. 179 Joshua Hood 9 November 1795 in favour of his brother John Hood of “Moshields” (No. Shields?)
Baptism Tynemouth:
1795 James s/o James & Ann Hood of North Shields, Mariner
1798 Mary Ann d/o James Hood of North Shields, Mariner, native of All Saints by his wife Ann Phillips native of Hull
1800 Eleanor d/o James Hood & Ann Phillips
1802 George 2nd s/o James Hood of North Shields, Mariner Native of All Saints parish by his wife Ann Philips native of Hull.
All Saints, Newcastle
1756 George Hood m Eleanor Wetherston
1759 Joshua s/o George Hood
1764 Joshua s/o George Hood
1766 Caleb s/o George Hood
1767 Elizabeth d/o George Hood
1769 James s/o George Hood
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Not sure if you have had this.
There was a Richard Hood baptised in Leven, Yorks., about 11 miles from Sutton upon Hull.
Richard bpt. 9th August 1771 son of Richard and Susanna.
EDIT: Lots of children: Ann, Hannah, Elizabeth, William , Susanna, Sarah and Grace.
Father Richard a weaver married Susanna Drew Catwick 1758.
Very likely-Richard Hood Hood son of Leonard and Mary Hood baptised 6th Mar 1774 Osmotherley
Richard Hood X Elizabeth Barrett marriage 10 Feb 1817 Sutton In Holderness,York,England
Died 30th Dec 1838 aged 64 Sutton In Holderness upon (Jenning Street) Hull
Wife Elizabeth (nee Barrett)Hood and children lived Jenning Street 1841 c
Son William Hood a cooper Sculcoates workhouse 1861c age 42
From Richard's daughter Susannah Hood marriage -father Richard was a mariner
Richard was cousin to James Hood bapt 1771 son of Thomas Hood in Osmotherley - This James Hood a mariner later lived Sunderland
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John HOOD bpt. 1 July 1792 Tynemouth Christ Church
Father: John Hood, occ. Marir.
Abode: No. Sh.
This is transcribed on FS as John & Mary Hood, but no sign of Mary in the BTs (p160):
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J789-TSH
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ip8/
However, the BTs have 24 Dec 1797 Robert s/o John & Mary Hood of North Shields, Mariner (p228)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ip6/
Catalog No. 1068907 is said to be taken from the PR's, so is this a different John Hood to the one who married Elizabeth, or the same John Hood with a different wife? ???
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So if Elizabeth Hood nee Gibson passed away, John Hood could have remarried a Mary, they could be the Hoods that pass away in Selby.
I wish it was that easy :)
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John HOOD bpt. 1 July 1792 Tynemouth Christ Church
Father: John Hood, occ. Marir.
Abode: No. Sh.
This is transcribed on FS as John & Mary Hood, but no sign of Mary in the BTs (p160):
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J789-TSH
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ip8/
However, the BTs have 24 Dec 1797 Robert s/o John & Mary Hood of North Shields, Mariner (p228)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ip6/
Catalog No. 1068907 is said to be taken from the PR's, so is this a different John Hood to the one who married Elizabeth, or the same John Hood with a different wife? ???
Thank you Claire and Jomot
Will of Joshua Hood
Rank Quarter Master
H.M. Ship Commerce de Marseilles
9 November 1795
To my Brother John Hood now Residing in North Shields Northumberland near the Custom House Quay
... in the Pearl 18 Feby 97
['Pearl' possibly a misspelt abbreviation for Parliament.]
Note has ...
Boyne Joshua Hood
87355 Ent 21 Oct 1793 QM'r Disch'd 1 May 1795
Commerce of Marseilles
Outer has ...
PORTSMOUTH [stamped, then the following written]
To Mr John Hood & To the care of Mr Rob't Ramshaw at the Rose & Crown North Shields Northumberland
C.I. 20 March 97
C.I. is "Check issued." 20th March 97 [1797] per Calendar.
[looks like Ramshaw]
In the Calendar is also a note ... Not valid for King's Pay - See Petition No 735
Regards Mark
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I wish it was that easy :)
If only..... ;D
I'm slowly working my way though the Tynemouth records as they seem to have some other discrepancies, including this baptism:
13/5/1796 – James s/o William Glenton & Elizabeth Hood of Shire Moor, Pitman - Elizabeth's surname not mentioned on the BT.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NDN1-CRN
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ip9/
Shire Moor was the abode for the 1793 1783 baptism of Eleanor d/o John Hood, Mariner :-\
Think I need to come back to the job tomorrow with less tired eyes.
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Will of Joshua Hood
Rank Quarter Master
H.M. Ship Commerce de Marseilles
9 November 1795
To my Brother John Hood now Residing in North Shields Northumberland near the Custom House Quay
It goes a bit blury when I zoom it - can you make out what's written at the very top left? I can hazard a guess but the original may be clearer.
EDIT: Document has since been re-uploaded.
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So if Elizabeth Hood nee Gibson passed away, John Hood could have remarried a Mary, they could be the Hoods that pass away in Selby.
I wish it was that easy :)
Burial place - ?
An--ELIZABETH HOOD born 1759 death 1842 aged 83 ASHBY Suffolk (Near Lowestoft)
William Cook was native origins of Lowestoft ?
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/world-records/national-burial-index-for-england-and-wales?firstname=elizabeth&firstname_variants=true&lastname=hood&yearofbirth=1759&yearofbirth_offset=0&yearofdeath=1842&yearofdeath_offset=2
No FreeBmd GRO death 1842 Suffolk of above Elizabeth Hood
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What a good find :)
Here's the registration:
Mar. Qtr. 1842
Name: Elizabeth Hood
District: Mutford & c.
Vol: 13
Page: 341
Just looked for any other burials at St. Mary, Ashby - just one.
Richard Hood buried 19 Nov. 1844 aged 84. :-\
EDIT: Richard and Elizabeth Hood together in Ashby 1841 census.
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1841 census Ashby Hall, Ashby:
Richard Hood 75 Ag Lab Born in County
Elizabeth Hood, 8, Born in County
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Hi
Thank you all for your help.
I have updated Reply #42 and clearer im. extracts.
Because of the reference to 'Pearl' and a Petition number in the separate Wills Calendar, I have contacted the Archives for assistance, regarding a possible Petition in relation to this Will and will obtain any copies.
Regards Mark
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Them bond allegation ages at intent to marry have been known to be wrong anyway ie:- Elizabeth Gibson b 1759 by age at intent to marry.(blind love the root of many a fib ;D) at a guess suggest - knock 3 years off (say she was circa 17 or 18 working away from home like a maid/cook)
1760 to 1764
age at death +/- 2 years Full acceptable range for Lizzy born 1757 to 1766 and a tiddly bit more
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I do have access to HoC Parliamentary Papers, nothing readily jumping out at me regarding Joshua Hood or the other fella whose name has disappeared :)
There is a mention of a 'George Hood' from collections at York, being fined 5s in 1830 for 'permit and goods not agreeing' :)
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Hello All
Thanks for your replies.
The 9th November 1795 Will of Joshua Hood Quarter Master of H. M. Ship Commerce de Marseilles, is from the Admiralty (ADM 48) Series reference documents at Kew.
John Hood of North Shields was the Brother of this Joshua Hood Quarter Master, see the Will extracts.
I attach a piece about the ship from the Cumberland Pacquet, 30th June 1795, with reference to this ship being brought away by Lord Hood from Toulon, December, 1793.
I will see what else I can find.
Regards Mark
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So if Elizabeth Hood nee Gibson passed away, John Hood could have remarried a Mary, they could be the Hoods that pass away in Selby.
There seems to be some gaps in the Tynemouth BT's as it skips from Dec 1787 burials to Baptisms starting Jan 1792. 1793 is then missing altogether.
Within this period there is a marriage between John Wood & Mary Cuitt.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N6P3-VL2
13/5/1796 – James s/o William Glenton & Elizabeth Hood of Shire Moor, Pitman - Elizabeth's surname not mentioned on the BT.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NDN1-CRN
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ip9/
Shire Moor was the abode for the 1793 1783 baptism of Eleanor d/o John Hood, Mariner :-\
Also found a transcription of a marriage between William Glenton & Elizabeth Wood, Tynemouth 1788:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N6P3-35P
I cant remember now if anyone traced what happened to Elizabeth d/o George Hood baptised All Saints 1767, but a 1788 marriage would put her at 21 years old.
I think the original PR really needs examining, as the transcripts often omit important additional detail, never mind the confusion between Hood & Wood.
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Bit up market
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Toulon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Hood,_1st_Viscount_Hood
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Note has ...
Boyne Joshua Hood
87355 Ent 21 Oct 1793 QM'r Disch'd 1 May 1795
Commerce of Marseilles
"In 1793, Boyne set sail on 24 November for the West Indies"
HMS Boyne caught fire and blew up on 1 May 1795 at Spithead:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Boyne_(1790)
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Note has ...
Boyne Joshua Hood
87355 Ent 21 Oct 1793 QM'r Disch'd 1 May 1795
Commerce of Marseilles
"In 1793, Boyne set sail on 24 November for the West Indies"
HMS Boyne caught fire and blew up on 1 May 1795 at Spithead:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Boyne_(1790)
Hello Jomot
Thanks, there was a fire on board and an explosion. I had found an account (extract and engraving attached), looking for Quarter Master J. Hood in a list, nothing found yet. There were wives and children on board too.
Regards Mark
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I was just scrolling through early All Saints records looking for Caleb (didn't find him) & stumbled across this - it could be wishful thinking on my part but I read it as
Buried 12 Oct 1762 Margaret d/o William Hood, Cooper (page 9):
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ipk/
Looked to see if I could find any baptism, and familysearch has this:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NDJY-HYC
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Hello Jomot
Thanks, there was a fire on board and an explosion. I had found an account (extract and engraving attached), looking for Quarter Master J. Hood in a list, nothing found yet. There were wives and children on board.
Wow, quite an addition to your family history if the connection can be confirmed (yes, I know, that dreadful "if" !!)
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Bit up market
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Toulon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Hood,_1st_Viscount_Hood
Thanks dobfarm
Looking for the list of casualties and Quarter Master J. Hood at the moment.
Lord Hood who brought the Commerce of Marseilles back from Toulon, must be a Captain. There was also an Alexander Hood.
Regards Mark
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I was just scrolling through early All Saints records looking for Caleb (didn't find him) & stumbled across this - it could be wishful thinking on my part but I read it as
Buried 12 Oct 1762 Margaret d/o William Hood, Cooper (page 9):
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ipk/
Looked to see if I could find any baptism, and familysearch has this:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NDJY-HYC
Jomot (Good find)
Can you relook at page 9 top of page is wrinkled up as Baptised not Burial top half of page
William Hood (Reed ?) a cooper is very interesting if you look at the top pf the page 9 right top ist says
Baptised 12 Oct 1762 Margaret d/o William Hood, Cooper (burials are underneath list in the bottom half of same column
Only Henry Todd waterman and mariner burial 12th October 1762
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John son of William Hood (Reed ?) bapt 1 July 1753/4 All Saints Newcastle on Tyne
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FS transcribe surname as REED on Margarets baptism.
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Apologies, yes, it does say baptized in October 1762 - I obviously cant read my own handwriting ::)
I couldn't decide if it definitely said Hood though, or if I just think it does because I want it to!
Whilst I was typing dobfarm & Claire have just posted too. Is the 1753/4 online?
Added: Just checked FS and there are several children of William Reed, so probably need to check these to see if they confirm him as a cooper, in which case its another one to scratch out :(
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Must admit Jomot I SO want it to be Hood :)
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Me too, but I think I'm resigned to it being wishful thinking :'(
I think a closer inspection of the Tynemouth PRs would definitely be helpful though as the missing pages and Hood / Wood uncertainty really isn't helping matters. The Joshua Hood will naming his brother as John Hood of North Shields could be something though, but Ive no idea what the petition could refer to.
... in the Pearl 18 Feby 97
['Pearl' possibly a misspelt abbreviation for Parliament.]
As it starts DO I'd wondered if it meant Died Overseas & is referring to HMS Pearl? From what I can make out (and ships really aren't my thing) Commerce of Marseilles didn't leave dock again, so could Joshua have transferred to the Pearl?
http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=15085.0
"HMS Pearl spend the years between the end of the American War of Independence in 1783 and the outbreak of the French Revolutionary War in 1793 engaged in the peacetime duties of a frigate, those of patrolling and 'showing the flag'.
Once war broke out again, HMS Pearl continued as she had during peacetime. On 16th April 1797, HMS Pearl captured the French privateer L'Incroyable of 24 guns, in company with the 36 gun frigate HMS Flora"
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It may have opened other doors though to check
an odd 1 off Reed baptism entry in a parish where only Hood's are in the register by same fathers first name as the Reed entry and no other Reed's
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Ageorge~%20%2Bsurname%3Areed~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Ayorkshire~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1783-1788~
example
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Ageorge~%20%2Bsurname%3Areed~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Ayorkshire~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1783-1788~
George Head
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005
marriage:
1847
Selby, Yorkshire, England
other:
Ann Lee
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZG7-NPC
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William Reed/ Hood is a cooper in the baptism record. Would a cooper be called a carpenter?
Three apprenticeship records from Newcastle upon Tyne
William REED master, carpenter
Apprentice: John French
Year: 1789
William REED master, carpenter
Apprentice: George Collingwood
Year: 1785
William REED master, carpenter
Apprentice: Thomas Bilton
Year: 1793
No William HOOD master cooper/ apprentice that I can see.
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Talking of spelling variation
Scarborough Quaker monthly meeting 1784
George Head bn 3rd January 1784, parents: Joseph ( cordwainer) and Hannah Head of High Hoyland.
Does the witness look like Mary Hood ???
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Edited Snap!! at 11.11pm
This looks interesting
40 year search in York
First name left blank
Surname Head
Father Joseph
mother Hannah
one entry comes up
George Head bapt 1784 father Joseph mother Hannah
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Ahead~%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22york%20yorkshire%22~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1760-1800~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Ajoseph~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Ahannah~
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That's what I've just posted ;D
SNAP ;D ;D
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I think both parents die within a couple of years of this baptism, I've researched this guy before
EDIT: Scrap that remark another child was baptized in 11 Jan. 1791 ~ Eliha, witnesses: Thomas Cundall and Isobell Lockwood
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We both double Snapped ;D ;D ;D
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Talking of spelling variation
Scarborough Quaker monthly meeting 1784
George Head bn 3rd January 1784, parents: Joseph ( cordwainer) and Hannah Head of High Hoyland.
Does the witness look like Mary Hood ???
Looks good
Right place Hood /Spencer/Selby & Scarborough
George had Quarkers in the family
Right date
Mary --Hood (Definitely)
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It does look quite good doesn't it :)
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Can you find a marriage of Joseph and Hannah Hood or Head or other children of the couple
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZG7-NPC
Sorry to disappoint, I have this Scarborough 1871 Census page printed off and it should be transcribed as HOOD.
This is James Hood, son of my George Hood and Sarah Russell who married Selby in July 1815 and James and Sarah Hood's children (Sarah Hood nee Arundel).
In Sarah Hood's (nee Arundel) lineage according to Goughy, there is illegitimacy involving Wilkinson, so Wilkinson won't help either.
I wonder what is happening as it use to search okay with Hood, on the Library Ancestry!
Regards Mark
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Can only see the baptism of Eliha in 1791, same parents: Joseph and Hannah Head, he a shoemaker
Now there are these burials I'm trying to find details for
Joseph Head (1785) and Hannah Head (1787 Malton registers) in Yorkshire, but not on F*P or Anc* but listed on bmdregisters
Cant see a marriage either
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Right the Hannah we can rule out she was the wife of a Thomas
Another Child Joseph HEAD buried 1785, where are they from Toppet/Toppel ?
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Me too, but I think I'm resigned to it being wishful thinking :'(
I think a closer inspection of the Tynemouth PRs would definitely be helpful though as the missing pages and Hood / Wood uncertainty really isn't helping matters. The Joshua Hood will naming his brother as John Hood of North Shields could be something though, but Ive no idea what the petition could refer to.
... in the Pearl 18 Feby 97
['Pearl' possibly a misspelt abbreviation for Parliament.]
As it starts DO I'd wondered if it meant Died Overseas & is referring to HMS Pearl? From what I can make out (and ships really aren't my thing) Commerce of Marseilles didn't leave dock again, so could Joshua have transferred to the Pearl?
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Hello All and Thank you
Jomot you are correct (but only in part) that the "Commerce de Marseilles" did not leave Port again.
Unclear if Any Lives Were Lost or Not
Portsmouth, Saturday, May 2. ... It is at present uncertain whether any lives are lost or not; however, we are happy to add that no other man of war in the harbour received any damage in consequence of the above accident.
Terrible Loss of Life
The local newspaper of 11th May (extract at Reply #55) confirms terrible loss of life and damage did occur to other ships. The unmanned cannons of the Boyne also began firing and an explosion occurred.
Commerce de Marseilles to change name to Boyne
Several newspapers report shortly after the ship Boyne burnt out at Spithead, in a little sentence under Admiralty instructions, it states that the "Commerce de Marseilles" will change her name to the Boyne.
Captain of the Boyne Cleared
The Captain of the Boyne was cleared at a Court of Inquiry on the 19th May 1795 at Portsmouth.
Captain of the Boyne Transferred to the Commerce de Marseilles (now renamed Boyne)
The Captain was effectively transferred from H. M. Ship Boyne to H. M. Ship Boyne (ex Commerce de Marseilles renamed Boyne).
Death in Service = Date of Discharge = Date of Death
However, as you spotted Jomot, Joshua Hood died and almost certainly on his date of Discharge, being 1st May 1795, the date of the Boyne fire.
Both Ships Names on the Will Outer
I get the feeling Joshua Hood may have been on the Boyne, or his death caused by the Boyne (perhaps a cannon firing) on 1st May 1795 - "Boyne Joshua Hood".
Both ships, Boyne and the Commerce de Marseilles are on the Will outer.
The Will outer suggests H. M. Ship Boyne is linked to his death. Oldest trick in the book to leave ambiguity and can cover your backside later.
Pearl, Possible Misspelling for Parl.
I've seen Pearl as a misspelling for Parl., an abbreviation of Parliament, so there has possibly been some challenge made and decided in 1797.
Regards Mark
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Scarborough to Scissett near Denby dale are about 90 miles from each other
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/sidebyside.cfm#zoom=16&lat=53.5851&lon=-1.6202&layers=171&right=BingHyb
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Still can't find a marriage for Joseph and Hannah
Have also found a report of something that happened on the Boyne. Only a portion of it, but thought you might be interested
"" Boyne :" slops are usually sold on the main deck: the Defendant produced samples to ascertain whether his directions had been followed: some of the men said, that they were not in want of any cloaths, but were told by the Defendant that if they did not take them, he would punish them; and others, who stated that they were only in want of part of a suit, were obliged to take a whole one, with anchor buttons to the jacket, such as are usually worn by petty officers only. The cloathing of the crew in general was light and adapted to the climate of the West Indies, where the ship had been last stationed. Soon after the delivery, the "Boyne" was burnt, and the crew dispersed into different ships. On that occasion, the Plaintiff having expressed some apprehensions for himself, was told by the Defendant "Captain Grey (the Captain of the 'Boyne') and I will see you paid ; you need not make yourself uneasy." After this the commissioner came on board the "Commerce do Marseilles" in order to pay the crew of the "Boyne" ; at which time the Defendant stood at the pay table, and having taken some money out of the hat of the first man who was paid, gave it to the Plaintiff; the next man refused to part with his pay, and was immediately put in irons. The Defendant then asked the commissioner to stop the pay of the crew, who answered that it could not be done.""
Dated: 27 Nov. 1797
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Nice summary Mark, although I'd assumed - wrongly it seems - that 1797 was his death and he'd simply been discharged from the original Boyne on that date.
It will be interesting to hear what the archives have to say about the petition, but perhaps its worth re-posting the snippets and the other information separately to see if any experts can shed any further light on them. Seaweed is usually the 'local expert' on all things maritime.
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Hi
Thank you for the replies.
Jomot, it seems the Boyne's cannons must have been left primed to fire when the Boyne was abandoned. As the unmanned canons opened fire on ships nearby and other boats in the rescue.
Thank you dobfarm and Claire, re other possible Hoods.
The shipping element of the research, Sunderland / Hartlepool / North Shields is interesting.
Regards Mark
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https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE111999
The records of the Gateshead company of Drapers, tailors, mercers, handwaremen, coopers, and chandlers
Statement of Responsibility:
edited by Edwin Dodds
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Hello dobfarm
Thanks for the link.
It's searchable, but quite surprised, no Hoods. Also no Hoods in the book index, or the supplement index.
Regards Mark
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As assumed George Hood's born circa 1785/1787 - thus at 21 years of age with a skill ??? in say average year 1807 +/- a year. We have 2 known George hood's - one Gateshead 1786 (no infant or adult burial found or as an adult marriage for the Gateshead George Hood.) as an infant and another in Selby 1812 on the land tax.
Question of food for thought - where were the two George's (or one of the same) ??? on the land tax 1806 and years to 1811
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Hello dobfarm
I was looking at the images of the copy Muster Rolls of the "Centurion".
Where the copy signatures for the "Centurion" are, it says:-
a) Mr Hood and has been signed by Thos Hewson.
b) John Hood's age is fluctuating too much on the "Centurion" 1788 to 1790, as though Hewson is guessing.
c) Subsequent Muster Rolls of the "Centurion also signed by Hewson, have left HOOD's birthplace blank.
John HOOD didn't fill in the Muster Rolls of the "Centurion", but have been filled in by someone guessing John Hood's age & signed by the Thos Hewson (on HOOD's behalf), likely of Hewson & Co., Hull.
The Abode of John Hood is either given as Hull or Selby, in all the rolls.
I'm afraid the only thing confirmed is that John Hood, Master Mariner, born Scarborough resided at both Hull and Selby 1780s.
Mark
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Perhaps, a bit too early for me to chip this in, but this might be Robert Hood's father?
Found this earlier in the newspaper ... Robert Hood, D. D., from Brampton, who apparently died early 1780s. Late Minister of the Chapel in Hanover Square, Newcastle upon Tyne.
Hanover Square Chapel
A Descriptive and Historical Account of the Town and County of Newcastle upon Tyne, Including the Borough of Gateshead.
by E. Mackenzie
p.370
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CPsVAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA385&lpg=PA385&dq=newcastle+upon+tyne+and+Gateshead+presbyterian+%22Hanover+Square+chapel%22&source=bl&ots=ZSHeMt1uS9&sig=1DLOmBP4OoNOUwTn9Uckx9bK5sE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi0spHvlqvPAhWLKsAKHdmRBLcQ6AEIITAD
Family Search ...
Presbyterian births and baptisms, Newcastle upon Tyne : Association Congregation of the Close, 1752-1837, indexed : Hanover Square Chapel, 1752-1859, indexed : Clavering Place Chapel, 1802-1837, indexed
Brampton Presbyterian Church, Cumberland
Records 1712 - 1950, Catalogue Reference DFCP 1, at the Cumbria Archive Centre, Carlisle
Thank you for the inputs so far, I'm wondering if my George Hood is linked to John Hood, Mariner and with links to the Hood Newcastle Presbyterians?
It would certainly explain no George Hood Selby Parish burial!
Kind regards Mark
EDIT: Robert Hood the Minister appears to have arrived in Newcastle 1780, to replace Samuel Lowthion.
Hello
Inverness Courier 29th May 1823
At Hutton Manse, on the 12th instant, Mary Hood, relict of the late Rev Robert Hood, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, D.D.
The Durham County Advertiser newspaper says Hutton, Dumfries-shire and he was formerly Minister of the Hanover Square Chapel, Newcastle.
Rev. Robert Hood was from Brampton, Cumbria (next County to Dumfries & Galloway).
Interesting, the death notice of Mary Hood was in the Inverness Courier.
In 1782 a John Hood had sailed the Mary of Inverness back to Newcastle Quay, so an Inverness link.
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The Goldie Hoods of Hessle near Hull, were from Dumfries and also an Inglis Goldie was a witness in the Will of Thomas Hood Bentley, Captain and Master Mariner.
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Sunderland
Also ordered the 1865 Death Certificate of James Hood, District of Sunderland.
Because James Hood of Selby, had recently lived at Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland, where James Alfred Hood was born 1863. Although James Hood of Selby, appears to be back or visiting Selby when their next child was registered in 1865 (same Qtr), before moving to Scarborough.
Robert Hood from Newcastle to Sunderland - 1786
BNA online - Newcastle Courant 7 October 1786 - Robert Hood from Newcastle wishes to acquaint his friends and the public, that he has entered upon the King's Head Inn, SUNDERLAND.
Mark
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bapt 1744 John son of John Hood ??? in Gateshead
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Durham archives Catalogue
http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/article/10527/Search-the-Catalogue
Clayton and Gibson ?
http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/article/11111?SearchType=Param&Variations=N&Keywords=john+hood&ImagesOnly=N&ItemID=165307
Ref: D/CG 19/39
22 - 23 January 1749/50
2) John Hood ??? of Newcastle upon Tyne, hoastman
http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/article/10924?SearchType=Param&Variations=N&Keywords=john%20hood&ImagesOnly=N
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hoastman ~ defined
member of a former guild of tradesmen responsible for loading and shipping coal in Newcastle upon Tyne
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/hoastman
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Hello
dobfarm you are quite correct regarding the Hoastman traders.
John Hood and Anthony Hood were both Hoastmen at Newcastle. See the yellow extracts from a Table in a book (attachment on Reply 594)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6609225#msg6609225
Also I'm told the business and hospitality of these Coal Trading Merchants would likely be conducted in a Public House or Inn. Possibly the old Pub the Ship, South Shore, Gateshead. Perhaps John Hood, Publican of the Ship 1787 was related to the Hood Hoastmen?
Also placing the Land Tax transcriptions side by side (1789 & 1811) suggests Representatives of A. Hood Esq took over the same premises once occupied by John Hood in 1789. Reply 593 at the bottom of page ...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6609041#msg6609041
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Are you thinking, what I have been thinking, that one of the possibilities could be that John Hood the Father of Geo Hood, baptised 1st October 1786 Gateshead might be related to a Hoastman.
Apparently some Publicans of old, did have other earning sidelines, or possibly we have two John Hoods in the Gateshead area, or even a visiting John Hood, Agent or Mariner.
Admin 4th February 1760 to Isabella Hood, Widow & Relict of John Hood, Hoastman, deceased ...
Mark
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Yes! 2 John Hood's and maybe a visiting one.
BUT ! There is still only one unexplained future or burial of a George Hood baptised 1786 in Gateshead
and one unexplained beginning of roots of George Hood resident Selby from 1812 - Est - birth year 1786 -Well schooled, educated and had various practical trade skills and business trades knowledge learned somewhere ?
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Hello
dobfarm, maybe one day, the evidence will be catalogued or found ;D to prove who they are, Mark
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Hello
dobfarm, maybe one day, the evidence will be catalogued or found ;D to prove who they are, Mark
BushInn1746,
Only if one looks for or finds the right archive (similar to finding the source of George Hood's burial 1846 Selby Quaker burial ground, the relevant document found in certain archives with your persistence to find with the local Selby logic that pointed where it was) if such documents can be found to either accept or eliminate George Hood bapt 1786 Gateshead once and for all.
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Note has ...
Boyne Joshua Hood
87355 Ent 21 Oct 1793 QM'r Disch'd 1 May 1795
Commerce of Marseilles
"In 1793, Boyne set sail on 24 November for the West Indies"
HMS Boyne caught fire and blew up on 1 May 1795 at Spithead:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Boyne_(1790)
I think a closer inspection of the Tynemouth PRs would definitely be helpful ... The Joshua Hood will naming his brother as John Hood of North Shields could be something though, but Ive no idea what the petition could refer to.
Looking at nee HOOD (Mothers) circa 1800 (more info c.1800 Baptism Registers) in the North Shields / Tynemouth area, her Father was from Berwick.
Census - some Gateshead HOODs born Scotland.
Will of Joshua Hood, Quarter Master of H.M. Ship Commerce de Marseilles, written 9th November 1795
Awaiting reply re copies, for several Musters from 1794 and 1795, to see if Joshua's Birthplace was given.
The above ship's Musters 1794 - 1795 are not on Anc / f m p :(
Richardson
We're looking back from HOOD = RICHARDSON marriage now. A second Richardson Will (1805) is awaited.
Mark
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Bits & pieces found, also show one Hood of Tynemouth and one Hood of Newcastle link to Berwickshire.
Robert Hood born about 1784
The Morpeth Herald, 27th November 1875
At Chirnside, Berwickshire, 17th inst, aged 91, Robert Hood, father to William Hood, Esq., of Tynemouth.
See image, also Newcastle All Saints, Baptisms 1807, the Father of Robertson's Wife Eleanor Hood, was Robert Hood [, a] Smith of Berwick.
Mark
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Added: No evidence to link my HOODs to Burrell ...
Quote from your post
"Seems a John Hood appears and disappears in the Gateshead Land Tax.
Q/D/L 2. Gateshead 1789
Property of Mrs. CLARK; occupied by John (Mr.) HOOD"
(Assume above Mrs Clark could be a widow ??? being named on the land tax)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DTG3-F62?i=143&wc=SDFL-7M9%3A1310048468%3Fcc%3D2365059&cc=2365059
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.msg6028821#msg6028821
Reply # 267
extract: - From William Hood's Will/probate 1788 (Shields -Tynemouth)
" to be paid and amongst, my niece Margaret Clark widow of the John Clark late of Bishopwearmouth in the said county cordwainer-deceased " (Leather worker)
Register of Burials in the Parish of Tynemouth in the Year 1805
Eleanor Hood of No. Shields, Daughter of William Hood, Mariner, aged 21 years, died 12th Jan. / Buried 14th Jan.
Comment
Unfortunately, the 1788 Will says "William Hood of South Shields" Mariner, was linked to William Hood Burrell of London.
25th July 1779 St Dunstan, Stepney Baptisms.
Wm Hood, S of John Burrell of Ratcliff, Millwright & Ann.
No knowledge of Burrell being family to date.
Mark
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Will of Joshua Hood, Quarter Master of H.M. Ship Commerce de Marseilles, written 9th November 1795, says his Brother was John Hood now Residing in North Shields Northumberland near the Custom House Quay.
The 1st May 1795 Muster of H.M. Ship Commerce de Marseilles (held at TNA, Kew) confirms Joshua Hood aged 32 was born Newcastle upon Tyne.
Giving a Birth for Joshua Hood about 1763 at Newcastle upon Tyne.
Added
Looks like Joshua's Father was George Hood, baptised All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne 1764 (From FS, not checked)
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John Hood, Mariner aged 23 years married Elizabeth Gibson at Newcastle upon Tyne All Saints in 1779 (born about 1756) and John Hood was at Shire Moor (Tynemouth B.T.) 14th December 1783 when Eleanor Hood Daughter of John Hood, Mar'r, was Baptised.
There is reputed to be a burial / death for Elizabeth Hood, Wife of a John Hood, Tynemouth 10th November 1788? (Register not seen, info from Family Search only, no occupation or residence given).
1st July 1792 Tynemouth B.T., Baptism John S of John Hood, North Shields, Mar'r [Mariner].
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Lord Hood had brought the Commerce de Marseilles (a captured French ship) away from Toulon. I wonder if Lord Hood and Joshua Hood, Quarter Master, born Newcastle upon Tyne were related?
It seemed after Joshua Hood was discharged, he remained on board the Commerce de Marseilles until he died. His previous H.M. Ship was the Prince and seems Joshua was also linked to the Ship Boyne.
Mark
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Port in every storm or there are 2 (Ports) ends to every ships journey or more en-route Is/was John Hood of Selby & Scarborough the same John Hood of North Shields in his path of life as a mariner.
If memory serves me right ? John Hood of Scarborough - his dad was a George.
George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead ( another port) 1st Oct 1786
George Hood resided Selby (another port) circa 1812 to age 60 at death 1846 = estimate year of birth 1786 and his fathers first name was ????
Quote you
Will of Joshua Hood, Quarter Master of H.M. Ship Commerce de Marseilles, written 9th November 1795, says his Brother was John Hood now Residing in North Shields Northumberland near the Custom House Quay.
Looks like Joshua's Father was George Hood, baptised All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne 1764 (From FS, not checked)
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Thanks, but not known if old George Hood of Scarborough, Mariner born about 1708 and Maudlin born about 1710 (parents of John Hood buried Selby 1819) and George Hood the possible Father of Joshua Hood born Newcastle upon Tyne are the same George.
Mark
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Hi Mark
Scenario;
Suppose there are 2 John Hood mariners
1 - John Hood mariner married Elizabeth Gibson 1779 Newcastle on Tyne ~ Lived Newcastle on Tyne 1781 ~ Lived Tynemouth 1783 ~ baptism 1786 George Hood son of John Hood Gateshead (on Tyne)~ 1812 George Hood a cooper by trade pops up in Wren lane Selby, takes over from Richard Gibson Cooper business with some of Richard Gibson history of years living/residing in Selby but originally came from Newcastle.
2nd - John Hood mariner from Scarborough origins married Elizabeth Spencer of Scarborough and had daughter Mordland (Maudland) who by coincidence also lived in Selby.
Either enter in Google search:- ' Cooper trade newcastle hood 1700's ' or click link
https://www.google.com/search?q=cooper+trade+newcastle+hood+1700%27s&sca_esv=8e68bf274b59ae51&ei=blc0ZvuEK9umhbIPwo-XqAs&ved=0ahUKEwj78_PYwvCFAxVbU0EAHcLHBbUQ4dUDCBA&oq=cooper+trade+newcastle+hood+1700%27s&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiImNvb3BlciB0cmFkZSBuZXdjYXN0bGUgaG9vZCAxNzAwJ3MyCBAAGIAEGKIESJdCUI8PWOAxcAJ4AJABAJgBYKABgQSqAQE3uAEMyAEA-AEBmAIHoAKbBMICBRAhGKABwgIIEAAYogQYiQWYAwCIBgGSBwM2LjGgB9MO&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
Dave
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This would probably answer the Jane Hood 1803 burial query
dates fit
John Hood X Jane Newby marriage 3rd Nov 1793 Scalby - Scarborough
Jane Hood wife of John Hood buried Selby 1803
(Maybe Chester is a step brother to George ???) Chester Newby on George Hood of Selby marriage Bond allegation 1815 as his bondsman
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This would probably answer the Jane Hood 1803 burial query
dates fit
John Hood X Jane Newby marriage 3rd Nov 1793 Scalby - Scarborough
Jane Hood wife of John Hood buried Selby 1803
(Maybe Chester is a step brother to George ???) Chester Newby on George Hood of Selby marriage Bond allegation 1815 as his bondsman
Thank you, but we have looked at this before.
Summarised from an old post ...
Regarding the 1793 John Hood = Jane Newby marriage, it looks like these were their entries in the following Census?
1841 Cloughton
John Hood aged 70 Farmer
Janie Hood aged 70
etc.
1851 Census Cloughton Newlands
John Hood Head, Mar, 80 Freeholder Farmer of 40 Acres, born Yorkshire Stainton Dale
Jane Hood Wife, Mar, 82, born Yorkshire Scalby
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Regarding Jane Hood, Wife of John Hood of Selby Mariner, buried at Selby, 15th August 1803, Register said she was 65 years and no descent was stated.
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Children of John Hood & Jane baptised at Scalby/Cloughton:-
1794 Rachael Hood
1796 John Hood
1798 George Hood (BT Cloughton)
1807 John Hood (BT Cloughton, 13th December John Son of John & Jane Hood)
So not the elderly Selby, Yorkshire, couple.
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Interesting ...
EYFHS, Scalby M.I., Alice Hood who
died Sep 7th 1794, aged 30 years.
EYFHS have suggested and the Parish Register says
1794
Sep 9 Alice daughter of John & Jane Hood
So if the M.I., are accurate and the headstone correctly carved, Alice was 30 years and not the child of the above couple, of Scalby / Cloughton.
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However, if the Scalby M.I., were set out by EYFHS side by side, Alice Hood was buried, next to Jane wife of John Hood who died Nov 26, 1855 86yrs.
[In the reply above]
EYFHS add 1855 Nov 30 Jane Hood, Cloughton, 86
EYFHS have not used one adjacent to Alice Hood, but the next is:-
Thomas Leadlay Oct 27th 1826 aged 75. Also John Son of the Above who died March ... ed 73. [Possibly aged 73?]
EYFHS have suggested from PR 1849 Apr 4, James? Leadley, Cloughton, 73.
But John Leadlay could of been family buried elsewhere?
Next is
Elizabeth Wife of John Leadlay Novr 9th 1809 aged 34 years.
Also Isabella Wife of the above who died June ---- 1840 ----- unreadable
EYFHS
PR 1809 Nov 12 Elizabeth Wife of John Leadley, Jun'r.
PR 1840 Jun 16, Isabella Leadley, 54
Next is
Mary Ann the daughter of Henry and Margaret Leadley who died 6th November 1795 aged 9 years [ remaining lines unreadable]
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EYFHS add from the Cloughton PR
1795 Nov 5 Mary Ann Daughter of Henry & Margaret Leadley, Harwood Dale.
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Next two numbers (EYFHS M.I., numbers) but not adacent (next but one row away, if headstones are set out by EYFHS side by side) , ----- Wife of Thomas Craven.
EYFHS suggest 1776 Nov 1, Sarah wife of Thomas Craven.
Next to the Wife of Thomas Craven -
William Craven died 20th March 180( 8 ) aged 40.
[I wondered if William was possibly the Son of Thomas & Sarah Craven? But no proof]
Some research we did suggested that the Sarah Craven burial might be Sarah Hood.
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Hi Mark,
You have posted a lot of research over a few years - so duplicating is likely by other members
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another scenario
Jane Hood who died 1803 Selby makes me wonder ? if she was a Quaker originally (Quaker marriage) but she buried C of E ( husband John Hood's religion ? possible mother of George )
We thought George being buried in Selby Quaker burial ground as a none practicing member of the Quakers, left us thinking it was his Quaker daughter in law's influence ? - but Jane Hood died 1803 wife of John Hood marine could have been the quaker connection originally. (Iffy suggestion but ??? so was George's burial place at first.)
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Jane Hood Wife of John Hood of Selby, Mariner, 65 years.
Jane Hood is another mystery! The Selby Dade Register has no descent.
No Headstone, nothing in the newspaper, no Yorkshire Will.
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Been considering the following (nothing set in stone though).
Maudland Hood's lineage was given, when Charles & Maudland Turner's 1st daughter was born/ bapt at Selby, Yorkshire in 1795
1756
John Leppington married Elizabeth Spencer at Scarborough.
Present (as wits) were:- John Smith and Mary Spencer (both signed)
1763
The Licence confirms Elizabeth Leppington of Scarborough 26 years was a Widow when she married John Hood of Scarborough, Mariner and John Jefferson of the same place, Mariner, was their Bondsman.
Present (as wits) at their Marriage were John Cornforth ; John Jefferson
Added: This would give Elizabeth Spencer, an approximate birth of 1736-1737.
Maudland Hood, Descent
According to the 1795 Birth of Elizabeth Turner, 1st daughter of Charles and Maudland Turner at Selby, the Descent column says:-
"Morland Dau'r of John Hood of Selby Mariner by Elizabeth his Wife Dau'r of John Spencer of Scarbro' Mariner."
Elizabeth Hood [John Hood's Wife] appears to have been buried at Scarborough shortly after the birth of Maudland Hood at Scarborough.
Suggestion only for John Spencer's Wife
If Mary Spencer, the witness at Elizabeth Spencer's first Marriage to John Leppington in 1756, was John Spencer's Wife (nothing to prove Mary Spencer was John Spencer's wife) ...
Then a possible marriage (nothing to prove this either) and also Mother for Elizabeth Spencer might be:-
1717 Scarborough
12th Sept Jno Spencer & Mary Barton.
Incidentally same day, so might be related, a dual marriage.
12th Sept Tho: Shepherd & Fortune Spencer.
Possible Quaker link if it could be proven -
Now if this could be proved true and Mary Barton was of the Barton family of Scarborough, that would mean the Grandmother of Maudland Turner (nee Hood) was almost certainly from a family with Quaker family links.
1753 Malton Monthly Quaker Meeting
Jeremiah Barton Son of William Barton late of Scarborough deceased ...
Married
Elizabeth Ruston daughter of Thomas Ruston late of Scarborough also deceased.
Relations
Mary Ruston
Barbara Ruston
Robert Ruston
Joshua Reeve
Sarah Gott
Jemima Reeve
Ann Saul
Other attendees at the marriage are named
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Discussed before, the son of John Hood of Scarborough buried at Old Malton.
1781 Old Malton
James Son of John Hood of Scarbro'
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Court of Chancery
Short title: Betson v Noble.
Document type: Depositions.
Plaintiffs: Thomas Barton and Mary Barton, infants (by George Marshall).
Defendants: Matthew Noble, Mark Noble and Richard Peacock (executors of Gawen Noble, deceased) and others.
Depositions taken at Scarborough, Yorkshire.
Date of bill (or first document): 1724.
Comment
Now if these Barton children in the Court case were linked to the above Barton family of Scarborough and of Malton by 1753 (some of whom were Quakers) and if the catalogue description is a good summary, it would appear to link two Barton children with a Marshall? Or he had been appointed to represent / Tutor (case not seen).
If so, this might explain why Mary Ann Prince [Daughter of James Prince of Scarborough, later of Selby] was present also as a witness at 1794 Selby marriage of Charles Turner & Maudland Hood, because James Prince married Grace Marshall at Scarborough.
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We have proven (by signature comparison) the Stears signature at the 1794 Charles Turner = Maudland Hood, marriage was a Quaker.
Mark
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1781 Old Malton
James son of John Hood of Scarbro'
Has James's burial place been checked for an Headstone or MI records in Old Malton C of E ( or Quaker) burial ground.
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Jane Hood Wife of John Hood of Selby, Mariner, 65 years.
Possible Quaker link if it could be proven -
Now if this could be proved true and Mary Barton was of the Barton family of Scarborough, that would mean the Grandmother of Maudland Turner (nee Hood) was almost certainly from a family with Quaker family links.
1753 Malton Monthly Quaker Meeting
Jeremiah Barton Son of William Barton late of Scarborough deceased ...
Married
Elizabeth Ruston daughter of Thomas Ruston late of Scarborough also deceased.
Relations
Mary Ruston
Barbara Ruston
Robert Ruston
Joshua Reeve
Sarah Gott
Jemima Reeve
Ann Saul
Other attendees at the marriage are named
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Discussed before, the son of John Hood of Scarborough buried at Old Malton.
1781 Old Malton
James Son of John Hood of Scarbro'
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Court of Chancery
Short title: Betson v Noble.
Document type: Depositions.
Plaintiffs: Thomas Barton and Mary Barton, infants (by George Marshall).
Defendants: Matthew Noble, Mark Noble and Richard Peacock (executors of Gawen Noble, deceased) and others.
Depositions taken at Scarborough, Yorkshire.
Date of bill (or first document): 1724.
Comment
Now if these Barton children in the Court case were linked to the above Barton family of Scarborough and of Malton by 1753 (some of whom were Quakers) and if the catalogue description is a good summary, it would appear to link two Barton children with a Marshall? Or he had been appointed to represent / Tutor (case not seen).
If so, this might explain why Mary Ann Prince [Daughter of James Prince of Scarborough, later of Selby] was present also as a witness at 1794 Selby marriage of Charles Turner & Maudland Hood, because James Prince married Grace Marshall at Scarborough.
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We have proven (by signature comparison) the Stears signature at the 1794 Charles Turner = Maudland Hood, marriage was a Quaker.
Mark
Hi Mark
(I'll leave it now with this !! )
Picture forming - dates realistically fit after death of Elizabeth Hood (Spencer-Leppington ) 1775 to baptism of James Hood son of John mariner. 1781 Old Malton (George Hood birth approx 1786)
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Fact:
Jane Hood Wife of John Hood of Selby, Mariner, 65 years burial Selby 1803 (but no other info on her ?)
(WHY )
Scenario :
A Quaker marriage between 1775 to (Baptism of James Hood Old Malton 1781) 1781 of Jane ???? (burial wife of John Hood 1803 Selby) x John Hood ....................?
Fact:
1781 Old Malton
James Son of John Hood of Scarbro'
(George Hood born 1786 approx from his death age 60 in 1846 Selby)
and
Fact:
Some of George's children had Quaker wives. ?
Fact :
George Hood burial 1846 aged 60 none practicing Quaker but buried in Quaker burial ground Selby
(WHY )
Dave
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1781 Old Malton
James son of John Hood of Scarbro'
Has James's burial place been checked for an Headstone or MI records in Old Malton C of E ( or Quaker) burial ground.
Old Malton (St. Mary's Priory) M.I.
No Hood listed in the index.
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Malton (St. Leonard's)
No Hood listed in the index.
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St Michael's Church Malton M.I.
The Church has Memorials inside.
No Hood listed in the index.
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Norton (near Malton) and St Peter's Church Interior.
No Hood listed in either index.
Also Hud / Hudd checked in all the above.
Mark
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Hi Mark
(I'll leave it now with this !! )
Picture forming - dates realistically fit after death of Elizabeth Hood (Spencer-Leppington ) 1775 to baptism of James Hood son of John mariner. 1781 Old Malton (George Hood birth approx 1786)
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Fact:
Jane Hood Wife of John Hood of Selby, Mariner, 65 years burial Selby 1803 (but no other info on her ?(
(WHY )
Scenario :
A Quaker marriage between 1775 to (Baptism of James Hood Old Malton 1781) 1781 of Jane ???? (burial wife of John Hood 1803 Selby) x John Hood ....................?
Fact:
1781 Old Malton
James Son of John Hood of Scarbro'
(George Hood born 1786 approx from his death age 60 in 1846 Selby)
and
Fact:
Some of George's children had Quaker wives. ?
Fact :
George Hood burial 1846 aged 60 none practicing Quaker but buried in Quaker burial ground Selby
(WHY )
Dave
Hello Dave
I've asked the same questions too.
In my family a 1912 Churchyard burial was unbaptised and the Funeral was very restrictive. His twin Sister lived well into her 90s and there was also no headstone. Later the Burial Plan was claimed to be lost.
His Father, was a Butler for the Lord of the Manor and his Lordship couldn't get a change of heart.
The Gardener had the key to the church safe and showed me their Burial Register to confirm the burial and having family knowledge, I was therefore quite interested to find the following reference in the Burial Register against his entry in the right margin (see attachment).
Unbaptized.
Service used
that authorised
by the Diocesan.
So what his twin Sister told me (from her parents), didn't appear to be made up.
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Some earlier burials of non-baptised were held after dark or attendees having to wait outside the churchyard boundary during the burial according to a 19th Century newspaper report.
One family kicked up and their complaint got in the newspaper.
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Two of my wider Hood family at Selby had Wesleyan Methodist links.
In 1845 possibly George Hood, unbaptised, had previously requested to be buried in Selby, the Quakers knowing George Hood, offered a full funeral service, with the burial.
It is not unusual in Quaker Burial Registers to see "Not in Membership", so the Quakers were burying other non-members.
Mark
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Hi Mark
Keeping to basics
To be honest, the way you have searched for George Hood of Selby's beginnings deeply over many years, for or finding records that have survived (Much admiration of you in doing so - as most people would have given up) but its seems no records have survived on George to even hint of his life before 1812 in Selby unless he was adopted and renamed from his birth/baptised full first and surname which would explain why there is nothing in documentation on George after such research been done Also nothing in doc's on how he acquired his trade skills, (7 years apprenticeships usually needed for each trade) Cooper, Tanner and Brewer.
Indecently there was nothing found that survived in documentation after George Hood son of John
Hood baptism 1786 Gateshead, like a marriage, burial or a following life either. :-\
So its seems no records have to survived to proved anything only circumstantial documents suggesting Scarborough through Maudland Hood which brings in John Hood mariner post 1775 if he remarried again and if it was Jane (Maiden name ~ ? )Hood wife of John the mariner buried Selby 1803 or another lady and maybe more children.(One being George born abt 1786)
A Puzzle. ???
Dave
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The only really solid definite link to Maudland Hood of Selby, are via some Grubb Marriages (descended from the Sons, late 18th Century of Thomas Grub, Shoe & Bootmaker of Etton and Lockington, Yorks), when Evelyn Hood Marshall (a descendant of George Hood via his Son, John Hood of Selby, Tanner / Fellmonger) married Thomas Grubb in 1906 at Holme on Spalding Moor, Yorkshire.
Added:
One Son was Thomas Wilson Grubb born 1923 District of Goole, Yorkshire.
The Wilson surname (George Thomas Grubb and Margaret Ellen Wilson 1882) is from the Grubb side of the 1906 Marriage, Thomas Grubb and Evelyn Hood Marshall and they lived at Goole, Yorkshire, after their marriage.
Taken from my Tree diagram here ...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804155.msg6623371#msg6623371
2nd Add:
Fifty years ago my Grandmother mentioned the Stephenson, Robinson and Robertson surnames. Thomas Stephenson married Jane Robenson 1832 (Jane Robinson bapt Arram 1806). Her parents John Robinson married Jane Brigham at North Cave. A marriage was given as Robertson but he signed the Marriage Register as Robinson.
Regarding the diagram, my Note 2 may be incorrect now.
But been over the diagram again, applying for a further Certificate and my family line link via Marriages to Maudland Hood and Charles Turner of Selby holds very good :)
You can get rare coincidences, but with my line ending dead at Selby Yorkshire 1812 (1815 Marriage, George Hood and Sarah Russell at Selby, Yorkshire), a 1906 marriage into Maudland Hood's extended family (also from Selby), cannot totally be ignored.
Mark
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Hi Mark
Down stream family connections through marriages are usually a couple meeting by chance.
Evelyn Hood Marshall (a descendant of George Hood via his Son, John Hood of Selby, Tanner / Fellmonger) married Thomas Grubb descendant of Maudland (nee Hood) Turner in 1906 marriage .
Only connection of John Hood mariner died 1819 Selby of Scarborough to George Hood cooper 1812 of Wren lane Selby is the first meeting by chance a century later of descendant couple Evelyn Hood Marshall and Thomas Grubb married 1916
In my view !
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( In that drama " Woman of substance" Emma Harte from being a maid for the rich Fairley family mill owners, till Emma left them and built a wealthy empire herself, she hated the Fairley family later she acquired the Fairly family house from a gambling son losses and had the house pulled down brick by brick also the land grassed over as a park for local folk.
About 50 years later Emma gathered her family to reveal the contents of her Will before she died
- her granddaughter engaged boyfriend surname was a Fairley family descendant - Emma's family thought she would have excluded her granddaughter out of her Will knowing how much Emma hated the Fairley Family
Emma asked her granddaughter one question- Where did she meet her boyfriend - on a bus said the granddaughter - Emma said - Oh ! a chance meeting - she said and put her in her (Emma's) Will. )
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Regarding, George Son of John Hood, baptised Gateshead 1786, this might be him in 1825.
Tyne Mercury, 15 November 1825
Charities.-The debtors of Newcastle return grateful thanks to George Hood, Esq. Sheriff, for 11.
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Regarding, George Son of John Hood, baptised Gateshead 1786, this might be him in 1825.
Tyne Mercury, 15 November 1825
Charities.-The debtors of Newcastle return grateful thanks to George Hood, Esq. Sheriff, for 11.
Newcastle on Tyne area.
Maybe a first name mis-print see page 7 and page 8 in link below only Hood sheriff of Newcastle was John Lionel Hood in the 1800's
https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Local_Historian_s_Table_Book/PE9BAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=george+hood+sheriff+of+newcastle&pg=PA8&printsec=frontcover
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Selby.
George's childhood schooling, then adolescent vocational education leading him into various businesses of a cooper, tanner and brewer trade each needing a long apprenticeship, George's ability or knowledge of running and build up a business. The only answer I can think of your George Hood was not a working skilled tradesman but a man of means by 1812 onwards buying into run down business and building them up as an administrator of the businesses.
George came from somewhere ? being educated, he needed a certain wealth to buy into businesses and that alone usually means there should be a paper trail of records by education (statute laws about education, on businesses and transfers of them or parish rules & regs of people living in them to start with ~ like taxes) behind him of his beginnings.
Doing a stint as the overseer of the poor for a time suggests he was well into the C of E parish religion.
Altogether George's life does not make sense unless he change his baptised/birth name ???
George left his paper trail or footprint after 1812/1815 onwards in Selby ol'reight' ~~~~ lots of it. ~ but not before ?
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Regarding, George Son of John Hood, baptised Gateshead 1786, this might be him in 1825.
Tyne Mercury, 15 November 1825
Charities.-The debtors of Newcastle return grateful thanks to George Hood, Esq. Sheriff, for 11.
1825
The Council have
George Forster, Mayor.
John Lionel Hood, Sheriff.
So a possible newspaper misprint?
https://www.newcastle.gov.uk/local-government/your-elected-representatives/lord-mayor-newcastle/lord-mayors-mayors-and-sheriffs
The Council does not list the Under-sheriffs.
I agree Dave, we needed a bit more detail in the paperwork and even Gibson's Bankruptcy file is missing.
Mark
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John Hood mariner widower husband of wife Elizabeth who died 1775.
If he remarried post 1775 - Scenario question 1: did he marry a widow with a son George who took John Hood's surname.
Scenario question 2: Did he marry a single woman with an illegitimate son who took John Hood's surname.
Scenario question 3: John Hood married and had his own son George (No record of only the Gateshead baptism)
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These are real thing years in happenings in (underlined)that can't be ignore :-\
Jane Hood burial wife of John Hood mariner 1803 burial Selby ( actual factual event with no other before death info) could be mother of George
Elizabeth Leppington Hood John's first wife died 1775 Scarborough.
George Hood son of John Baptism 1786 Gateshead ( actual factual event with no other after life or death info)
George Hood turns up in Wren lane Copper business Selby 1812
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John Hood mariner widower husband of wife Elizabeth who died 1775.
If he remarried post 1775 - Scenario question 1: did he marry a widow with a son George who took John Hood's surname.
Scenario question 2: Did he marry a widow with an illegitimate son who took John Hood's surname.
Scenario question 3: John Hood married and had his own son George (No record of only the Gateshead baptism)
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These are real thing years in happenings in (underlined)that can't be ignore :-\
Jane Hood burial wife of John Hood mariner 1803 burial Selby ( actual factual event with no other before death info) could be mother of George
Elizabeth Leppington Hood John's first wife died 1775 Scarborough.
George Hood son of John Baptism 1786 Gateshead ( actual factual event with no other after life or death info)
George Hood turns up in Wren lane Copper business Selby 1812
Something or nothing
With John Hood mariner who died 1819 in Selby who we can assume would be at sea a lot.
1775 above John's wife Elizabeth died.
With the lack of other John Hood mariners of Selby, we can assume Jane Hood wife of John Hood mariner burial 1803 Selby was a later wife of the above John Hood mariner
Selby Land Tax
1781 and 1782 (George Hood born approx. 1785-1787)
Proprietor Occupiers
Mr Turner ( 2 Tenem'ts Mrs Slipper & J. Hood
John Hood's daugther Maudland Hood married a Turner)
So !
Question arises 1) Is J Hood with Mrs Slipper is John Hood or his wife Jane Hood
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(This needs a bit of thought) 2) Is Mrs Slipper a widow maybe Mrs Jane Slipper who later married John Hood but married in her maiden name and later married John Hood
Question or scenario:- Was George Slipper born an illegitimate child of Mrs Slipper being George Slipper.
OK- Is George Slipper the son of John Hood or another father ? but took John Hood's surname Hood after he married Mrs Jane Slipper a widow (Hence no baptism of George Hood (Slipper)
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Selby Land Tax 1814
Proprietor Occupier
M' Spencer 1st Ten'mt Mr Hood (<-Could this Mr Hood be George Hood)
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Mark you said George Hood could have been linked to a Mr Spencer through his trade as a Cooper (Apprentice ?)
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Hello Dave
Semi-detached Houses
They were two separate Tenements in the 1780s, listed as 2 or Two Tenements. The Deed Registrations confirm the property was divided into separate houses
The writing in some of these Land Tax books was not always clear and some name spellings seem to be just copied from the year before, if the Occupier remained the same. They are really an accounting record of the amounts collected.
Shippen
Claire also looked at the 1780s entries and felt the surname ought to read Shippen.
If you search Shippen Hood you can see the past comments made, I have put one of the links here ...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=790433.msg6600304#msg6600304
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I am not quite sure what your 1814 comment means.
John Spencer their Landlord at Selby had already died and left a Will, although John Spencer had other relatives and a John Spencer relative at Conisbrough.
In the 1812 Land Tax George Hood had become an Occupier of Lord Petre.
George Hood was a Tenant of Lord Petre at Selby and was confirmed in the Deed Memorial Registrations at Wakefield Archives - Book GH, page 446, No. 496 (No. 496 goes over several pages). The Hon. Lord Petre to Groom, Registered 4th December 1813
Other Tenants of Lord Petre at Selby are listed.
The above was one of the documents used to sell the Petre properties at Selby being sold in the 1835 Sale.
Shirley found some photos online and kindly emailed them and a plan.
1835 Plan
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=882680.msg7562789#msg7562789
Mark
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Hi Mark,
A while ago, looking at any possibility your George Hood died 1845 Selby was the Gateshead baptism 1786 son of John Hood - then maybe the John Hood Innkeeper of the Ship Inn Gateshead was the same John Hood as George Hood baptism father John Hood and the son George could have learned his trades as a cooper also brewing knowledge through being brought up in a pu
You came back saying a Mr Spencer who was involved in grocery trade and they used barrels with
A possibility George learning his trade as a cooper with this Mr Spencer in Yorkshire or Selby ?.
The thought passed through my mind if the above Mr Spencer was the same Mr Spencer as above George - your George could have lived in Mr Spencer's property 1814 or even with him before he got married in Selby 1815 --Was Mr Spencer a grocer/cooper by trade and George was Mr Spencersd apprentice say between 1800 age 14 to aged 21 in 1807.
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Hello Dave
We think John Hood's Landlord (1792 to 1802/3), John Spencer married Mary More, both of the Parish of Hemsworth, at Hemsworth in 1757. Present as wits., were:- James Townsend ; Joseph Townsend.
Joseph Spencer of Conisbrough died in 1801 and left a Will Proved October 1801 and may have left something to John Spencer, Grocer, of Selby, hence his status changing to Gentleman by his death.
John Spencer of Selby (Abstract of) Will, Proved January 1810.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7210494
I have enquired about ordering the Joseph Spencer of Conisbrough 1801 Will, because Joseph was a Brother or relative of John Spencer of Selby (although probably unlikely to mention John Spencer's Tenant, it might be worth a gamble).
Tax Paid on Apprentices
John Spencer, to Thos Fawthorpe, Cooper, Selby, listing was dated 1769.
Apprentice ages not given, but if a young Apprentice, these are not the same John Spencer.
Mark
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Hello Dave
We think John Hood's Landlord (1792 to 1802/3), John Spencer married Mary More, both of the Parish of Hemsworth, at Hemsworth in 1757. Present as wits., were:- James Townsend ; Joseph Townsend.
Joseph Spencer of Conisbrough died in 1801 and left a Will Proved October 1801 and may have left something to John Spencer, Grocer, of Selby, hence his status changing to Gentleman by his death.
John Spencer of Selby (Abstract of) Will, Proved January 1810.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7210494
I have enquired about ordering the Joseph Spencer of Conisbrough 1801 Will, because Joseph was a Brother or relative of John Spencer of Selby (although probably unlikely to mention John Spencer's Tenant, it might be worth a gamble).
Tax Paid on Apprentices
John Spencer, to Thos Fawthorpe, Cooper, Selby, listing was dated 1769.
Apprentice ages not given, but if a young Apprentice, these are not the same John Spencer.
Mark
Hi again.
Seeing this (Quote you above) ' Tax Paid on Apprentices
John Spencer, to Thos Fawthorpe, Cooper, Selby, listing was dated 1769.
Well the Spencer's name is associate to the Scarborough Hood's and there was a George Hood that married X Maudlin Spencer 13 Jan 1731 York or Scarborough
All names that keep popping up and now a Spencer as a cooper.
Is there a connection we are missing ?
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Dave
A few SPENCER Will Summaries and Notes seen (Borthwick) ...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=789795.msg6455524#msg6455524
I have quoted some Will summaries, where I wanted to add new information found relating to that particular Will.
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When John Spencer, Grocer, of Selby is traced back, it would seem the most likely Marriage for him, was John Spencer & Mary More, their Marriage Licence ages were close to their Burial ages and it seemed to fit.
His Father at Baptism was also John Spencer.
One possible for the Grocer's Father & Mother, were
1732 Hemsworth 26th September by Banns
John Spencer & Sarah Clarkson of Hemsworth.
The Spencer baptisms start at Hemsworth with further children at South Kirkby and seem to recall John Spencer was a Husbandman.
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Incidentally Charles Turner (Maudland Hood's husband) was born South Kirkby, possibly how Maudland Hood, met Charles Turner (married 1794 Selby), because the Hood Landlord from c.1792 John Spencer and his siblings were Baptised at Hemsworth & South Kirkby.
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When Charles & Maudland Turner had their first child in 1795 at Selby.
Mother, Maudland Turner's (nee Hood's, descent ... see attachment.
Maudland's Mother, also a Spencer!
1756 Elizabeth Spencer first married John Leppington (John Smith ; Mary Spencer, witnesses), John Leppington died.
1763 Next Elizabeth Leppington, Widow, married John Hood, which you discovered or had a hand in finding, Dave.
It would seem that both:- George Hood and his Son John Hood (both Mariners of Scarborough) had married a Spencer.
Maudland Hood's Grandfather was John Spencer, Mariner of Scarborough and her other Grandmother was nee Maudlin Spencer who married George Hood at Scarborough 1731-2
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783033.msg6376568#msg6376568
Mark
ADDED: There was a John Spencer marrying Mary Barton at Scarborough in September 1717, (but probably a generation too early for me). Also we don't know where John Spencer, Mariner (in the attachment), was born, if married, to whom and where. However, many of the Barton of Scarborough (some moved to Malton, Yorks) were Quakers, which might explain the Quaker witness Frances Stears at Maudland Hood's 1794 Selby wedding to Charles Turner.
Reply #1048
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6905606#msg6905606
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Dave
A few SPENCER Will Summaries and Notes seen (Borthwick) ...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=789795.msg6455524#msg6455524
I have quoted some Will summaries, where I wanted to add new information found relating to that particular Will.
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When John Spencer, Grocer, of Selby is traced back, it would seem the most likely Marriage for him, was John Spencer & Mary More, their Marriage Licence ages were close to their Burial ages and it seemed to fit.
His Father at Baptism was also John Spencer.
One possible for the Grocer's Father & Mother, were
1732 Hemsworth 26th September by Banns
John Spencer & Sarah Clarkson of Hemsworth.
The Spencer baptisms start at Hemsworth with further children at South Kirkby and seem to recall John Spencer was a Husbandman.
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Incidentally Charles Turner (Maudland Hood's husband) was born South Kirkby, possibly how Maudland Hood, met Charles Turner (married 1794 Selby), because the Hood Landlord from c.1792 John Spencer and his siblings were Baptised at Hemsworth & South Kirkby.
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When Charles & Maudland Turner had their first child in 1795 at Selby.
Mother, Maudland Turner's (nee Hood's, descent ... see attachment.
Maudland's Mother, also a Spencer!
1756 Elizabeth Spencer first married John Leppington (John Smith ; Mary Spencer, witnesses), John Leppington died.
1763 Next Elizabeth Leppington, Widow, married John Hood, which you discovered or had a hand in finding, Dave.
It would seem that both:- George Hood and his Son John Hood (both Mariners of Scarborough) had married a Spencer.
Maudland Hood's Grandfather was John Spencer, Mariner of Scarborough and her other Grandmother was nee Maudlin Spencer who married George Hood at Scarborough 1731-2
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783033.msg6376568#msg6376568
Mark
ADDED: There was a John Spencer marrying Mary Barton at Scarborough in September 1717, (but probably a generation too early for me). Also we don't know where John Spencer, Mariner (in the attachment), was born, if married, to whom and where. However, many of the Barton of Scarborough (some moved to Malton, Yorks) were Quakers, which might explain the Quaker witness Frances Stears at Maudland Hood's 1794 Selby wedding to Charles Turner.
Reply #1048
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6905606#msg6905606
Mark Quote from
From paragraph above in red
because the Hood Landlord ??? from c.1792 John Spencer and his siblings were Baptised at Hemsworth & South Kirkby.
A lot of Spencer's to be coincidence
Makes one wonder if George Hood born c 1786 later of Selby was born George Spencer c 1786 and his (Jane Hood maybe ?) mother had George illegitimate, then later married a chap called (John - ?) Hood
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Dave
A few SPENCER Will Summaries and Notes seen (Borthwick) ...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=789795.msg6455524#msg6455524
I have quoted some Will summaries, where I wanted to add new information found relating to that particular Will.
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When John Spencer, Grocer, of Selby is traced back, it would seem the most likely Marriage for him, was John Spencer & Mary More, their Marriage Licence ages were close to their Burial ages and it seemed to fit.
His Father at Baptism was also John Spencer.
One possible for the Grocer's Father & Mother, were
1732 Hemsworth 26th September by Banns
John Spencer & Sarah Clarkson of Hemsworth.
The Spencer baptisms start at Hemsworth with further children at South Kirkby and seem to recall John Spencer was a Husbandman.
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Incidentally Charles Turner (Maudland Hood's husband) was born South Kirkby, possibly how Maudland Hood, met Charles Turner (married 1794 Selby), because the Hood Landlord from c.1792 John Spencer and his siblings were Baptised at Hemsworth & South Kirkby.
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When Charles & Maudland Turner had their first child in 1795 at Selby.
Mother, Maudland Turner's (nee Hood's, descent ... see attachment.
Maudland's Mother, also a Spencer!
1756 Elizabeth Spencer first married John Leppington (John Smith ; Mary Spencer, witnesses), John Leppington died.
1763 Next Elizabeth Leppington, Widow, married John Hood, which you discovered or had a hand in finding, Dave.
It would seem that both:- George Hood and his Son John Hood (both Mariners of Scarborough) had married a Spencer.
Maudland Hood's Grandfather was John Spencer, Mariner of Scarborough and her other Grandmother was nee Maudlin Spencer who married George Hood at Scarborough 1731-2
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783033.msg6376568#msg6376568
Mark
ADDED: There was a John Spencer marrying Mary Barton at Scarborough in September 1717, (but probably a generation too early for me). Also we don't know where John Spencer, Mariner (in the attachment), was born, if married, to whom and where. However, many of the Barton of Scarborough (some moved to Malton, Yorks) were Quakers, which might explain the Quaker witness Frances Stears at Maudland Hood's 1794 Selby wedding to Charles Turner.
Reply #1048
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6905606#msg6905606
Mark Quote from
From paragraph above in red
because the Hood Landlord ??? from c.1792 John Spencer and his siblings were Baptised at Hemsworth & South Kirkby.
A lot of Spencer's to be coincidence
Makes one wonder if George Hood born c 1786 later of Selby was born George Spencer c 1786 and his (Jane Hood maybe ?) mother had George illegitimate, then later married a chap called (John - ?) Hood
Mark,
Just some obvious questions here
1792 John Hood of Selby who died 1891 in Selby new landlord was John Spencer the grocer of Selby.
Elizabeth Spencer, widow Leppington wife of above John Hood died 1775
John Hood is a mariner away at sea/inland waterways (small coaster ship/packboat) a lot, so his Selby abode is a stopover stay, (probably one of many coastal and inland port stopovers) and so who looked after John Hood's other children (if any) and Maudland with George Hood as children. Where did his kids live, with John Spencer the landlord, grocer cooper of Selby ? maybe with Maudland as a maid help and George as a live in unoffical apprentice of John Spencer the grocer of Selby
Who was Jane Hood wife of John Hood mariner died Selby 1803 from one of John Hood's stopovers, ports on the river Don navigation, rivers Ouse, Tyne, Thames. Humber and Aire navigations and coastal ports maybe, and did she bring up Maudland and George Hood while John Hood was away and where.
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Dave
A few SPENCER Will Summaries and Notes seen (Borthwick) ...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=789795.msg6455524#msg6455524
I have quoted some Will summaries, where I wanted to add new information found relating to that particular Will.
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When John Spencer, Grocer, of Selby is traced back, it would seem the most likely Marriage for him, was John Spencer & Mary More, their Marriage Licence ages were close to their Burial ages and it seemed to fit.
His Father at Baptism was also John Spencer.
One possible for the Grocer's Father & Mother, were
1732 Hemsworth 26th September by Banns
John Spencer & Sarah Clarkson of Hemsworth.
The Spencer baptisms start at Hemsworth with further children at South Kirkby and seem to recall John Spencer was a Husbandman.
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Incidentally Charles Turner (Maudland Hood's husband) was born South Kirkby, possibly how Maudland Hood, met Charles Turner (married 1794 Selby), because the Hood Landlord from c.1792 John Spencer and his siblings were Baptised at Hemsworth & South Kirkby.
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When Charles & Maudland Turner had their first child in 1795 at Selby.
Mother, Maudland Turner's (nee Hood's, descent ... see attachment.
Maudland's Mother, also a Spencer!
1756 Elizabeth Spencer first married John Leppington (John Smith ; Mary Spencer, witnesses), John Leppington died.
1763 Next Elizabeth Leppington, Widow, married John Hood, which you discovered or had a hand in finding, Dave.
It would seem that both:- George Hood and his Son John Hood (both Mariners of Scarborough) had married a Spencer.
Maudland Hood's Grandfather was John Spencer, Mariner of Scarborough and her other Grandmother was nee Maudlin Spencer who married George Hood at Scarborough 1731-2
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783033.msg6376568#msg6376568
Mark
ADDED: There was a John Spencer marrying Mary Barton at Scarborough in September 1717, (but probably a generation too early for me). Also we don't know where John Spencer, Mariner (in the attachment), was born, if married, to whom and where. However, many of the Barton of Scarborough (some moved to Malton, Yorks) were Quakers, which might explain the Quaker witness Frances Stears at Maudland Hood's 1794 Selby wedding to Charles Turner.
Reply #1048
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6905606#msg6905606
Mark
Did your ever find Elizabeth Spencer's (Leppington/Hood) baptism father John - died/buried 1775 Scarborough as I can't find a baptism in Scarborough 1720 to 1740 search
There's Elizabeth Spencer father John in South Kirkby 30th Dec 1736
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Hello Dave and All
Thanks
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Mark
Did your ever find Elizabeth Spencer's (Leppington/Hood) baptism father John - died/buried 1775 Scarborough as I can't find a baptism in Scarborough 1720 to 1740 search
There's Elizabeth Spencer father John in South Kirkby 30th Dec 1736
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1) No, I have never thought of looking further afield for a baptism of nee Elizabeth Spencer / after 1st marriage Elizabeth Leppington and after 2nd marriage Elizabeth Hood.
Good point Dave, we have her age on the Scarborough Licence paperwork Elizabeth Leppington, Widow = John Hood.
2) Regarding John Spencer, Landlord at Selby from c.1791-2 (Landlord, previously John Turner, Grocer.)
Regarding his Sister Elizabeth baptised 1736, we can definitely rule her out ...
In the Will of John Spencer of Selby Proved 1810, he mentions his Sisters and Elizabeth being Elizabeth Collet and checking the marriages an Elizabeth Spencer = Richard Collett.
Mark
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Baptisms Elizabeth Spencer, Father John
1737 -/+ 5 years Yorkshire
On f m p
1734, 14th August at Keighley, Daughter of John Spencer, WEAVER. [Not a Mariner occupation per image]
1734, 3 December at Braithwell, Father GEORGE, so not the one, (printed Reg'r).
1735, 30th March at Bolton by Bowland, John Spencer of Holden.
1736, 23rd September, Leconfield, East Riding, Dau of John Spencer, (no place, nor Occ'n).
1736, South Kirkby, ruled out.
Bear in mind he was a Mariner and I don't know his Abode from Muster Rolls.
Mark
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Hi Mark,
This Spencer surname -John Hood's wife Elizabeth Spencer, his mother Maudline Spencer, and his landlord John Spencer who happens to be a grocer/cooper, in the same property John Hood's first landlord was a Turner same surname as his son in law. ( Spencer is a common surname though.)
Who brought Maudland up a from 1775 if John Hood was at sea for long periods is another mystery
Elizabeth Spencer family mother or sister, or her first husbands Leppington family could have brought her up.
Dave :)
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The 1736 South Kirkby baptism for Elizabeth Spencer (father John) is a solid lead but has been ruled out—she married Richard Collett and is confirmed in her brother John Spencer’s 1810 Selby will as “Elizabeth Collett.” So not our Elizabeth (Hood).
Next best steps are:
・Search FamilySearch baptisms 1720–1740 (https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1473014 (https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1473014))
・Get Catherine Spencer’s 1782 will from TNA (https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D430960 (https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D430960))
・Check Borthwick/FindMyPast for a 1775 John Spencer (Scarborough) probate and try the Yorkshire region via YourRoots county records: https://yourroots.com/search-record/state-province-county (https://yourroots.com/search-record/state-province-county)
Hello Dave and All
Thanks
Quote
Mark
Did your ever find Elizabeth Spencer's (Leppington/Hood) baptism father John - died/buried 1775 Scarborough as I can't find a baptism in Scarborough 1720 to 1740 search
There's Elizabeth Spencer father John in South Kirkby 30th Dec 1736
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1) No, I have never thought of looking further afield for a baptism of nee Elizabeth Spencer / after 1st marriage Elizabeth Leppington and after 2nd marriage Elizabeth Hood.
Good point Dave, we have her age on the Scarborough Licence paperwork Elizabeth Leppington, Widow = John Hood.
2) Regarding John Spencer, Landlord at Selby from c.1791-2 (Landlord, previously John Turner, Grocer.)
Regarding his Sister Elizabeth baptised 1736, we can definitely rule her out ...
In the Will of John Spencer of Selby Proved 1810, he mentions his Sisters and Elizabeth being Elizabeth Collet and checking the marriages an Elizabeth Spencer = Richard Collett.
Mark
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Mark
I've ruled Elizabeth Spencer father John baptism in South Kirkby 30th Dec 1736 out as sister to John Spencer the Grocer/cooper as his sister Elizabeth Spencer married a Mr Collett as stated in John Spencer's will 1810 Selby as you say .
Are you saying you think Elizabeth Spencer baptised 30th Dec 1736 father John of South Kirkby was the Elizabeth Spencer who married Mr Collet sister of John Spencer Spencer of Selby buried 1809 - His Will dated 1810
Hence - Elizabeth Spencer father John baptism in South Kirkby 30th Dec 1736 is eliminated as being Elizabeth Spencer widow Leppington who married John Hood Scarborough 1763 and resided later in Selby
Dave :)
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Hi carolgenealogy1970
Thanks for your suggested researching links and methods of research which will be useful in Mark's long ongoing research for his ancestor George Hood birth circa 1785/1787 of Selby
Dobby :)
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Hello Carol
Thank you.
This is one M.I. I have from Scarborough St Marys, published by the East Yorks, Family History Society ...
The Scarborough St Mary's Churchyard M.I. ...
Head Stone -
Sacred/
to the Memory of/
MARY the wife of/
JOHN SPENCER/
who departed this life/
August (?g) 18??/
aged (33 or 83) years.
Catherine Spencer of Scarborough, Will 1782 and Spencer v. Spencer, Chancery Case
Regarding 1782 Catherine Spencer of Scarborough, PCC Will, see these links and her estranged family it seems live in the City of Durham:-
Reply #2 under Sub-title Spencer
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=782732.msg6722134#msg6722134
Spencer of Scarborough (For reference Jane Spencer; Thomas Paxton Spencer)
Catherine Spencer, Wife, of Scarborough, 1782 PCC Will, there is a Chancery case Spencer v. Spencer 1800
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yXADAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA362&lpg=PA362&dq=%22Catherine+Spencer%22+Will+1782&source=bl&ots=XKMMTRtbg9&sig=UEVKYK6Qa7mt-fI-MCBvKjQmrmk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjenJiKl6DWAhVFAsAKHezkDuMQ6AEIJTAD
Will of Catherine Spencer, Wife of Scarborough (from TNA), 1782
... my late Uncle Henry Rowe, late of Bloomsbury Square, London, Esquire ...
... Wife of Robert Spencer of Scarborough in the county of York ...
... Mother in Law Mary Spencer ...
... my Son Thomas Paxton Spencer ...
... my Son Hutton Rowe Spencer ...
... my Sister Jane Rowe ...
... my Brother Anthony Rowe ...
... my Husband Robert Spencer ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D622184
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Wills purchased already (from the Borthwick) who married into two HOOD of Scarborough families (Thomas CRAVEN - Married Sarah HOOD 18th Cent'y) and the (Matthew HILL married Mary HOOD 1818 Scarborough, Admin to Matthew HILL 1855).
Thomas Craven, Will, Written 1816
I knew he had remarried a Rebecca. Quite a reasonable Will for next of kin, but he didn't leave anything to his late wife, Sarah Hood's family.
Mary Hill (nee Hood)
Mary Hill buried 26 Dec 1853, 57, Wife of Matthew, on a stone left at the Ebeneezer Chapel, Longwestgate, stated to have been demolished 1957.
John Spencer, Yorkshire Wills
The John Spencer, Will list I have for Yorkshire is numerous, I'll have to work out which to order first.
I have been through the Scarborough Register images on FindMyPast and it is difficult to decide if Maudland Turner's Spencer Grandparents even died at Scarborough.
I did find a possibly doubtful burial in a village near Scarborough, I'm off to find and recheck some notes, but it wasn't quite the same as the above headstone, but the accuracy of the M.I., looks iffy.
We only know the Grandfather of Maudland Turner (nee Hood) of Selby, baptised Scarborough, was John Spencer of Scarborough, Mariner.
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SPENCER of Selby and Scarborough WILL and Admin Summaries
We have done the 18th Century, Spencer of Scarborough at the Borthwick some years ago, Wills and Admins.
1703/4 James SPENCER of Scarborough, Admin Dickering 3 Jan 1703/4 (Dickering Deanery) MF1177 ... to Marie SPENCER.
Richard SPENCER of Scarborough, Mariner, Dec 1746, Admin. (Dickering Deanery), widow named and renounced, see link
1785 Richard Spencer of Scarborough, a Will, see link below.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=789795.0
Mark
The 1736 South Kirkby baptism for Elizabeth Spencer (father John) is a solid lead but has been ruled out—she married Richard Collett and is confirmed in her brother John Spencer’s 1810 Selby will as “Elizabeth Collett.” So not our Elizabeth (Hood).
Next best steps are:
・Search FamilySearch baptisms 1720–1740 (https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1473014 (https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1473014))
・Get Catherine Spencer’s 1782 will from TNA (https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D430960 (https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D430960))
・Check Borthwick/FindMyPast for a 1775 John Spencer (Scarborough) probate and try the Yorkshire region via YourRoots county records: https://yourroots.com/search-record/state-province-county (https://yourroots.com/search-record/state-province-county)
Hello Dave and All
Thanks
Quote
Mark
Did your ever find Elizabeth Spencer's (Leppington/Hood) baptism father John - died/buried 1775 Scarborough as I can't find a baptism in Scarborough 1720 to 1740 search
There's Elizabeth Spencer father John in South Kirkby 30th Dec 1736
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1) No, I have never thought of looking further afield for a baptism of nee Elizabeth Spencer / after 1st marriage Elizabeth Leppington and after 2nd marriage Elizabeth Hood.
Good point Dave, we have her age on the Scarborough Licence paperwork Elizabeth Leppington, Widow = John Hood.
2) Regarding John Spencer, Landlord at Selby from c.1791-2 (Landlord, previously John Turner, Grocer.)
Regarding his Sister Elizabeth baptised 1736, we can definitely rule her out ...
In the Will of John Spencer of Selby Proved 1810, he mentions his Sisters and Elizabeth being Elizabeth Collet and checking the marriages an Elizabeth Spencer = Richard Collett.
Mark
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Thanks, but not known if old George Hood of Scarborough, Mariner born about 1708 and Maudlin born about 1710 (parents of John Hood buried Selby 1819) and George Hood the possible Father of Joshua Hood born Newcastle upon Tyne are the same George.
Mark
John Hood innkeeper Ship Inn - property?
If memory serves me right Mrs Clark (Maybe nee Margaret Hood) then later A Hood company
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754237.msg6832025#msg6832025
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754237.msg6813911#msg6813911
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg7674073#msg7674073
William Hood Will 1788 -James Wardle ?
Wardle surname keeps popping up in Yorkshire in your notes
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Hello Dave and All
Thanks for the comments, struggling to keep up, as I am persuing several other leads as well.
I am trying to exhaust the Selby, Yorkshire, end first, that is where George Hood, seems to have got his first property after leaving home, renting from Lord Petre. Not all of us left home at 21 you know ;D
Once we handed over our housekeeping money, we could save. I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, it was years of work and saving.
Richard Spencer of Scarborough, County of York Taylor, April 1785, Will
... appointed Elijah Winn of Scarborough Gentleman ... Executor
... my Grand Daughter Temperence Spencer
... following were bequeathed sums of money
... Reverend Samuel Bottomley
... my Step-Daughter Jane Smithson
... my kinswoman Martha Potch [or Martha Petch]
... my kinsman Thomas Clarkson ...
Upon Trust that he or they do pay and apply the same unto and for the only use and benefit of
my unfortunate Niece Ann Spruce ...
Mark & Seal 10 March 1785 of Richard Spencer
Witnesses M or W or H Mc George
Galf'us Jas Mc George
Past 7 April 1785 [sic]
Not too unfortunate because an Ann Spruce of Scarborough appears to have left a Will :)
The Will has been quoted for and is now ordered (currently up to 30 day wait) with a Cockin of Barnby Dunn, Will (possibly too early, but may give an insight into that family).
The other interesting thing is, that according to some documents listed by the Yorkshire Archaeology Society (YAS) on a pdf, many of them, now in the Leeds University Special Collections, an Elizabeth Hood was a Tenant of Elijah Winn of Scarborough and he was the executor of the Will of Richard Spencer of Scarborough.
I cannot locate the relevant YAS Handlist of Deeds online pdf at the moment.
But in my searches, I have discovered that Leeds University have started scanning the documents to go online it would seem ...
https://digital.library.leeds.ac.uk/
Link to another Deed image example featured which can be opened and read
https://digital.library.leeds.ac.uk/32779/
Mark
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That Leeds Uni link could be useful (!)
With all these key Spencer connections to John Hood mariner burial 1819 Selby from Scarborough being family and landlords- it may take a while. (A Long while) to exhaust Selby.
Member comments are stored on Rootschat website to go back too, and so do not always needed answering on a thread.
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Hello Dave and All
Regarding the title of the thread, it is likely that John Hood who was Publican of the Ship, South Shore, Gateshead, in the 1780s was also the Shoemaker, of Blue Quarries, aged 55 years, died 29th and buried 31st December 1800, at Haworth (in the Parish of Jarrow) and most likely to be the John Hood baptised at Gateshead in December 1745.
I have got a Map and South Shore stretches some distance South toward the boundary of Heworth.
Blue Quarries is shown.
It looks as though Barbara Bailey might have married three times.
Managed to get the Marriage witnesses earlier ...
1796, St Mary, Heworth, County Durham, 20th June
John Hood married Barbara Bailey both of this Chapelry, by Banns
Present (wits): Joseph Dale ; Andrew Kell
John Hood of Blue Quarries was buried at Heworth, end of 1800 (detail above).
1801 St Paul, Jarrow, County Durham, 15th November
Barbara Hood married Thomas Sharp both of this Parish, by Banns
Wits: George Jameson ; John Goodrick
1802 Gateshead, 14th April Burial
Thomas Sharp, of Blue Quarries, Mariner, 50 Years, died 12th April.
1806 Gateshead, County Durham, 14th July
Barbara Sharp married John Nelson, both of this Parish of Gateshead, by Banns (B.T. says Neilson)
Wits: Tho. Woodhouse ; Christ'r Brown
1824 Gateshead Burial
Barbara Nelson, Gateshead High Fell, 10th December, 68 years
1790 Gateshead Directory, Wm Carr, Publican, Ship, South Shore, Gateshead.
19th Century Map with some the locations.
Mark
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Hi Mark,
That's interesting, William Carr, publican 'Ship' Southshore 1790 , therefore the predecessor of the Ship John Hood 1787 trades directory Southshore Gateshead, either died, retired or moved on to another pub/inn? maybe in Yorkshire with George Hood baptised 1786. (with poor records it will remain a scenario though :( - just as the single entry baptism of a child for a father John Hood [George son of John Hood]1786 Gateshead baptism - of a visiting! one of the two John Hood mariners of Scarborough theory)
(Highly probable scenario)
Any little connection whatsoever to John Hood of Selby or daughter Mrs Maudland Turner residing in Selby and George Hood born 1785-1787 before his appearance 1812 or Russell marriage 1815 would be enough to say George to some extent maybe connected that family. Its little! but - John Hood a mariner born 1737 Scarborough father was George: and aforesaid John Hood a mariner had tried for a son called George twice with his first wife Elizabeth Spencer/ Leppington/Hood who died 1775 Scarborough. and lastly they were the only Hood's residing in Selby those years. Then the landlord of John Hood land tax, John Spencer grocer, known trained cooper and businessman. (Which as we all know George Hood born 1786 ish of Selby 1812 to 1845 thought was )
You'll never get absolute absolute proof or accuracy standards with the poor records pre 1837 or unless your really lucky with Wills/Probate, Headstone MI's. Deeds etc,
Having said all that! If anybody can find records - you can! as you have shown, many, many times. ;)
Dave
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Hello Dave and All
Regarding the title of the thread, it is likely that John Hood who was Publican of the Ship, South Shore, Gateshead, in the 1780s was also the Shoemaker, of Blue Quarries, aged 55 years, died 29th and buried 31st December 1800, at Haworth (in the Parish of Jarrow) and most likely to be the John Hood baptised at Gateshead in December 1745.
I have got a Map and South Shore stretches some distance South toward the boundary of Heworth.
Blue Quarries is shown.
It looks as though Barbara Bailey might have married three times.
Managed to get the Marriage witnesses earlier ...
1796, St Mary, Heworth, County Durham, 20th June
John Hood married Barbara Bailey both of this Chapelry, by Banns
Present (wits): Joseph Dale ; Andrew Kell
John Hood of Blue Quarries was buried at Heworth, end of 1800 (detail above).
1801 St Paul, Jarrow, County Durham, 15th November
Barbara Hood married Thomas Sharp both of this Parish, by Banns
Wits: George Jameson ; John Goodrick
1802 Gateshead, 14th April Burial
Thomas Sharp, of Blue Quarries, Mariner, 50 Years, died 12th April.
1806 Gateshead, County Durham, 14th July
Barbara Sharp married John Nelson, both of this Parish of Gateshead, by Banns (B.T. says Neilson)
Wits: Tho. Woodhouse ; Christ'r Brown
1824 Gateshead Burial
Barbara Nelson, Gateshead High Fell, 10th December, 68 years
1790 Gateshead Directory, Wm Carr, Publican, Ship, South Shore, Gateshead.
19th Century Map with some the locations.
Mark
Hello Dave and All
John Hood, Publican of the Ship Public House or Inn, South Shore, Gateshead, had left the Pub by 1790 and possibly before the later takeover by A. Hood and might not be related, or not directly related.
Two Businesses
My 2x Great Grandfather (born Selby) of the Parish of Bowdon, Cheshire and then late of Leicester at his death, had an Office as a Leather Merchant at Leicester and also held the Licence to a Leicester Hotel in 1880 (Licensed Victualler on Family Birth Certificate) until the Licence was transferred from George Hood to Benjamin Babington Pead (newspaper Court Report of Transfers and Court Case of Unpaid Hotel Bill).
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Second Job or Between Employment
However, Publican may have been a second job or a change from their usual trade, or work between jobs or employment, or even a place to live. Old Licences required a Licensee to live on the premises.
Pub a Place to Live and Sureties Required
The pub might be To Let and you could apply with your references at the Licensing Court (held between the annual Brewster / Licensing Session) of two local reputable people who knew you and who would both also put up a Surety according to old English Victuallers Registers seen.
1796 John Hood - Marriage Witnesses
Now I have some witness names to go at from the pay per view DRO site (no actual signatures), of John Hood's, either first (or his subsequent last) 1796 marriage:-
Witness 1 - Joseph Dale
Witness 2 - Andrew Kell
1786 8th February Newcastle upon Tyne - All Saints by Licence 7th February
Joseph Dale of the Parish of Jarrow in the County and Diocese of Durham, Mariner aged 22 and upwards and a Bachelor married Dorothy Pattison of the Chapelry of All Saints in the Town and County of Newcastle upon Tyne and Diocese aforesaid aged 24 and upwards and a Spinster.
Marriage Bondsman - Robert Buckham of the Parish of St John in the Town and County of Newcastle upon Tyne, Joiner and Cabinet Maker.
ADDED:
Information (above) from the Marriage Intention and Bond.
1785 St Paul, Jarrow, County Durham, 13th February
Andrew Kell married Elizabeth Elliot, both of this Parish by Banns
Witnesses: Thomas White ; Richard Kell.
John Hood's 1796 Marriage witnesses look really local in 1785 - 1786.
John Hood, Shoemaker of Blue Quarries, baptised Gateshead 1745 and buried in 1800 at nearby Heworth (in the Parish of Jarrow), aged 55 years (and probably the Publican) seems the likely the Father, John Hood on the 1786 Baptism, so far.
Mark
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The recent John Hood and apparently Barbara Hood remarriage research, confirms two people they knew, John Hood and Barbara Hood (probably her remarriage) were Mariners.
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Then I thought of this again:-
1782, 16 November
; Mary, Hood, from Inverness ;
The vessel "Mary" is brought back from Inverness by [John] Hood (Arrival Shields).
1782, 9th November
To be Sold by Auction by Auction, on Tuesday 19 h November, ... at the House of Mr Ja. Graham, Sign of the Three Kings, Quayside, Newcastle.
... the MARY of Inverness, Mr John Hood, Master, now lying at Newcastle Quay, ...
The Captain will show the Vessel ; and further Particulars may be had by applying to Thomas Snaith, at the office of William Chapman, sen, in the Folly, Newcastle.
Inventories to be seen as above, and at Mr Thomas Wate's, North Shields.
Mark
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Hi Mark
So if one of the two John Hood residents of Gateshead (or Southshore) was the father of George Hood baptised Oct 1786, that Gateshead George Hood b 1786 ish still could be your mystery George Hood appeared Selby 1812 with no paper trail of his early history. A shoemaker could be linked with cobber/cordwainer or tanner and obviously innkeeper/publican could be linked to brewing - cooper trades also the obvious question in mystery Selby George Hood was his reason to appear in Selby was to buy Richard Gibson bankrupt cooper business. We know R Gibson came from Newcastle upon Tyne.
(big Question)
Did the adult Gateshead baptised 1786 George Hood hear about Richard Gibson bankrupt stock through Gibson's Tyneside relations. ??? or a newspaper up there.
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The recent John Hood and apparently Barbara Hood remarriage research, confirms two people they knew, John Hood and Barbara Hood (probably her remarriage) were Mariners.
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Then I thought of this again:-
1782, 16 November
; Mary, Hood, from Inverness ;
The vessel "Mary" is brought back from Inverness by [John] Hood (Arrival Shields).
1782, 9th November
To be Sold by Auction by Auction, on Tuesday 19 h November, ... at the House of Mr Ja. Graham, Sign of the Three Kings, Quayside, Newcastle.
... the MARY of Inverness, Mr John Hood, Master, now lying at Newcastle Quay, ...
The Captain will show the Vessel ; and further Particulars may be had by applying to Thomas Snaith, at the office of William Chapman, sen, in the Folly, Newcastle.
Inventories to be seen as above, and at Mr Thomas Wate's, North Shields.
Mark
Hi Mark
Thar's got me a bit confused here
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The recent John Hood and apparently Barbara Hood remarriage research, confirms two people they knew, John Hood and Barbara Hood (probably her remarriage) were Mariners.
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1) What 2 people they knew 2) who were mariners ??? ::)
Dave
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Hello Dave and All
Sorry, not very clear to me either, when I read it back!
What I should of said is ...
One witness at the 1796 John Hood = Barbara Bailey, marriage, was Joseph Dale and if he was the same Joseph Dale marrying in 1786, then his Marriage Bond / Intention says he lived in the Parish of Jarrow and was a Mariner.
If it was Barbara Hood (the Widow of John) that married Thomas Sharp, at St Paul, Jarrow, in 1801, and he was the Thomas Sharp buried in 1802 at Gateshead, then he was recorded as a Mariner when he died.
1802 Gateshead, 14th April Burial
Thomas Sharp, of Blue Quarries, Mariner, 50 Years, died 12th April.
1802 Burial Address: Thomas Sharp, Blue Quarries, so possibly still living in the same house or place that Barbara lived in when John Hood was buried 31st December 1800.
Barbara, probably the one buried Gateshead as Barbara Nelson in 1824.
Mark
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The recent John Hood and apparently Barbara Hood remarriage research, confirms two people they knew, John Hood and Barbara Hood (probably her remarriage) were Mariners.
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Then I thought of this again:-
1782, 16 November
; Mary, Hood, from Inverness ;
The vessel "Mary" is brought back from Inverness by [John] Hood (Arrival Shields).
1782, 9th November
To be Sold by Auction by Auction, on Tuesday 19 h November, ... at the House of Mr Ja. Graham, Sign of the Three Kings, Quayside, Newcastle.
... the MARY of Inverness, Mr John Hood, Master, now lying at Newcastle Quay, ...
The Captain will show the Vessel ; and further Particulars may be had by applying to Thomas Snaith, at the office of William Chapman, sen, in the Folly, Newcastle.
Inventories to be seen as above, and at Mr Thomas Wate's, North Shields.
Mark
Hi Mark,
Now this is bit of a curve ball 'Yorker' - Captain John Hood (of Selby ) on the river Tyne 4 years earlier than the George Hood son of John Hood baptism Oct 1786.
Did Captain John Hood have a lady friend there on Tyneside. - ?
That one off baptism --------
Dave
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Yes, played a perfect yorker right enough, with George Hood, as the ball which could fly in any direction and leave us stumped!
And so many options, George Hood is like a ball and he just bounces in other ways too:-
1) George Hood could be Half Brother to Maudland Hood and therefore his family from Scarborough?
2) The 18th Century Hood events at Selby due to Nonconformism and no NC record keeping, the Hood family at Selby may have slipped underground (we also know of two earlier Hood of Selby buried in other Yorkshire Parishes 18th Century). Selby Parish Chest records are very incomplete too with large gaps.
3) The Newcastle upon Tyne angle and the fact Richard Gibson was from Newcastle. The 1779 John Hood = Elisabeth Gibson, marriage.
But, George could of lived at home, worked, saved and even purchased the business of Richard Gibson, Cooper, at Selby and got his training from the successful John Spencer, Grocer, (who may be the John Spencer, Cooper who trained later in life), but did die a Gentleman at Selby.
4) The earlier John Hood of Selby, being Apprenticed to John Herbert, a Barber Chirurgeon, at Wensley, North Yorkshire, in 1718, meaning one Hood of the old Selby line could have continued the family elsewhere in Yorkshire.
5) Perhaps the church didn't really want to bury G.H. in their Churchyard or would't give him full Service rites (perhaps George Hood of Selby had no baptism), so the Quakers offered, despite them refusing George Membership.
George Hood, you are Conscientious and we like you, but you don't quite fit with us. (That is how the 1836 Quaker Minutes read and the G.H. letter is not filed with others applying, not all seem to be kept).
6) Eliza Hord of Thorne would be 16 (in 1785) and could be old enough to be the Mother of George Hood, before she married?
1795
Henry Casson of Myton, Hull, Miller (Son of Mordecai Casson of Thorne, Currier & Sarah, deceased), married Elizabeth Hord (Daughter of Jeremiah Hord of Hull, Mariner, by Elizabeth, deceased), wits John Belton ; Edw West ; Mord: Casson Jun'r.
1796 28th July, Duty Paid on Apprentices
Mordecai Casson, Thorne, Co of York, Draper & c., John COCKIN [Apprentice]
7) Not knowing the mystery of Jane Hood of Selby, buried 1803 and if really a wife, where the marriage was.
8 ) The Sugar Tongs of the Son of a Hood of Selby with W.M.H., on them and mentioned in 1941 and do they point to a mystery Hood, or someone else. No explanation and the Beneficiary died a person claims Admin registered and when that Administrator dies she only has an Admin too (got both from HMCTS Probate Registry).
9) George Hood at Knottingley in 1813, and the previous Occupier with a possible link to a surname come across,
10) The £510 George Hood of Selby got Edward Parker to pay (on Hood's behalf) in 1836, to the Earl of Surrey, apparently for some Rights of Lord Petrie (relating to the 1835 property Sale it seems).
Those might be the unexplained Rights mentioned in Hood's Will and William Massey it seems had the benefit of the Rights while George Hood was alive.
11) When in 1815 at Selby Abbey, William Massey 23, [Jun'r] married (against his Quaker beliefs) to Mary Procter 22, a Hartas Grandchild carries Fothergill as a middle name and also one witness at the 1815 William Massey = Mary Procter, marriage was Jno Fothergill, and his one off unique signature can be identified in a later marriage and the marriage parties Birth can be found in the Census, confirming Fothergill to link to Mark Fothergill of Selby and Francis Fothergill of Aiskew and by marriages he links to William Frankland of Yafforth and to Hood of Kirkbridge.
You are dead right George Hood has played a 'Yorker', leaving numerous connection possibilities to literallby bounce him to numerous families, but without leaving the clinching piece required.
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There are 3 or 4 vessels called Mary linked to Newcastle, in Lloyd's Register, not one fits re Burthen Weight and with American built and not one vessel named Mary in a long list of Mary over several pages has a Hood as Master (same for several years). So I cannot establish an owner and possibly the owner location.
No earlier "Mary, Hood" ; in the Newcastle newspaper to match the 10 year vessel age.
The Newcastle newspaper only seems to be only selecting a few to publish in a paragraph, but when the list is published rarely in Newcastle it is more numerous and includes vessels at other places.
Mary is turning out to be the Marie Celeste of Newcastle upon Tyne / Shields :(
Oh yes George Hood of Selby has left a stack of information about himself and his life and so many possible suggestive trails and little to confirm.
The Headstones of Gateshead St Mary were recorded a long time ago which was reprinted and Barbara Nelson was not listed.
Mark
Thanks, I had forgotten the 1781 John Hood & Martha Dean (Banns read only at Scarborough) but if they did become a couple it is not known.
There was a Martha Dean, Publican, in Mountain's 1800 Selby Directory, but she was already married I was led to believe.
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Yes, played a perfect yorker right enough, with George Hood, as the ball which could fly in any direction and leave us stumped!
And so many options, I could play George and he just bounces other ways too:-
1) George Hood is Half Brother to Maudland Hood and therefore from Scarborough.
2) The earlier 18th Century Hood events at Selby due to Nonconformism no NC record keeping so Hoods may have slipped the Hood family at Selby underground (we know of two Hood of Selby buried in other Yorkshire Parishes). Parish Chest records are very incomplete too.
3) The Newcastle upon Tyne angle and the fact Richard Gibson was from Newcastle.
George could of lived at home, worked, saved and purchased the business and got his training from the highly successful John Spencer, Grocer, who may be the John Spencer, Cooper who trained late in life and died a Gentleman.
4) The earlier John Hood of Selby, being Apprenticed to Mr Herbert, a Barber Surgeon, at Wensley, North Yorkshire, meaning one Hood of the old Selby line could have continued the family elsewhere in Yorkshire.
5) Perhaps the church didn't really want to bury G.H. in their Churchyard or would't give him full Service rites (perhaps George Hood had no baptism), so the Quakers offered, despite them refusing George Membership. Sorry Pal, you are Conscientious and we like you, but you don't quite fit with us. (That is how the 1836 Quaker Minutes read and the G.H. letter is not filed with others applying, not all seem to be kept).
6) Elizabeth Hord of Thorne would be 16 and could be his Mother and gave Birth to George.
The Apprentice with Hord Casson of Thorne, Apprentice was John COCKIN.
7) Not knowing the mystery of Jane Hood of Selby, buried 1803 and if really a wife, where the marriage was.
8 ) The Hood Sugar Tongs with W.M
H., on and do they point to a mystery Hood, or someone else. No explanation in the Will and the Beneficiary only has an Admin registered and when the Administrator dies she only has an Admin too (got both from HMCTS).
9) George Hood at Knottingley in 1813, and the previous Occupier with a possible link to a surname come across,
10) The £510 George Hood of Selby got Edward Parker to pay (on Hood's behalf) in 1836, to the Earl of Surrey, apparently for some Rights of Lord Petrie (relating to the 1835 property Sale it seems).
Those are the unexplained Rights mentioned in Hood's Will and William Massey had the benefit of the Rights for the life of George Hood.
11) When William Massey, Jun'r of Selby married in Selby Church (against his Quaker beliefs) to Mary Procter, a Hartas Grandchild carries Fothergill as a middle name and one witness at the Massey = Procter, marriage was Fothergill, and his one off unique signature can be identified in a later marriage and the marriage parties Birth can be found in the Census, confirming Fothergill to link to Mark Fothergill of Aiskew and by marriage he links to Hood of Kirkbridge.
You are dead right George Hood has played a 'Yorker', leaving numerous connection possibilities to literallby bounce him to numerous families, but without leaving the clinching piece required.
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There are 3 or 4 vessels called Mary linked to Newcastle, in Lloyd's Register, not one fits re Burthen Weight and with American built and not one vessel named Mary in a long list of Mary over several pages has a Hood as Master (same for several years). So I cannot establish an owner and possibly the owner location.
No earlier "Mary, Hood" ; in the Newcastle newspaper to match the 10 year vessel age.
The Newcastle newspaper only seems to be only selecting a few to publish in a paragraph, but when the list is published rarely in Newcastle it is more numerous and includes vessels at other places.
Mary is turning out to be the Marie Celeste of Newcastle upon Tyne / Shields :(
Oh yes George Hood of Selby has left a stack of information about himself and his life and so many possible suggestive trails and little to confirm.
The Headstones of Gateshead St Mary were recorded a long time ago which was reprinted and Barbara Nelson was not afforded one.
Mark
And not forgetting Martha Dean - (If George Hood's father was John Hood of Selby then it father like son - full of mystery) aswell as Jane Hood buried 1803 - one a possibley mother of George,
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Hi Mark,
With John Hood of being a mariner and post 1775 Elizabeth Hoods burial, no marriage found in the UK. There could be a marriage, Channel islands, Isle of man or abroad