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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: turramurra on Wednesday 10 August 16 06:26 BST (UK)
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Did Harriet Halstead die in the workhouse?
Harriet Halstead was the 11th child of Samuel and Mary Ann HALTED nee Collis.
She was born in Southminster Essex act 1850.
Her parents both died the following year 1851.The last child in this Halstead family, Emily was born 18th September 1851.
After the deaths of the Halstead parents the children were in the care of the Wicks family. (They had 12 children of their own). Susannah Wicks was their aunt.
Little is known of Harriet HALSTEAD ,
any help as to her death would be appreciated
Turramurra
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Harriet Halstead was the 11th child of
SAMUEL and MARY ANN HALSTEAD nee Collis
Correction to above post. Thank you
Turramurra
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Whilst Harriett was admitted to the workhouse in St Pancras on 27 Aug 1857 she appears to have been discharged on 7 Sep 1857.
Kay
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Thank you Kay for reply.
I have no idea why Harriet Halstead went to workhouse
I have imagined the her aunt Mrs Susannah Wicks had so many children to care for
I cannot find a record of Harriet's death
The search continues,
Turramurra
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This hopefully is the discharge which appears to be to Forest Gate -might not be any use but just in case
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Thank you Kay,
It looks like she was not dead in workhouse
wonder where she went then?
Turramurra
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There is a family tree showing Harriett Halstead, death showing 23/01/1914 Dundee, Monroe Michigan, USA, looks as if she remained single,
Louisa Maud
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I think the death in 1914 that LM found refers to this person on Family Search
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i68/ , this family in 1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW9G-VKY and with a later marriage of Lottie - a child of Harriet https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3NP-6XF However this Harriet Halstead is listed as born in Canada in the 1881 census
Kay
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Family tree shows
Harriett Halstead born about 1850
father Samuel 1805-1851
mother Mary Ann nee Collis 1809-1851
at least 5 siblings went to Australia
There is also, possibly nothing to do with this a family in St Pancras a marriage
Harriett Halstead full age father Samuel marrying
William Tillbrook full age father Edward
25/10/1859
of Frederick St
3 men all farmers
Was Harriet(t) in workhouse anything to do with this family
Louisa Maud
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You could be well correct that the Harriett Halstead in the workhouse is a different person to the Harriet born in Southminster.
I can't see a birth or baptism for the Harriet born in Southminster either which seems strange as her older brother and younger sister were both registered
Kay
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I couldn't find any other information either on either, looked for a baptism from parents William and Harriett Tillbrook under both names in London, no joy there either
LM
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There is a MAHALAH Halsted born Dec qtr 1849 ????
Louisa Maud
Wrong thoughts, she is with her mother in Bradwell on 1861 as MAHALA
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It seems strange that Aunt Susannah seems to have just kept Emily with her on the following census
Harriet(t) seems to be very evasive, if that is her in America I would have assumed there would have been some records for emigrating
LM
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Did Harriet Halstead die in the workhouse?
Harriet Halstead was the 11th child of Samuel and Mary Ann HALTED nee Collis.
She was born in Southminster Essex act 1850.
Her parents both died the following year 1851.The last child in this Halstead family, Emily was born 18th September 1851.
After the deaths of the Halstead parents the children were in the care of the Wicks family. (They had 12 children of their own). Susannah Wicks was their aunt.
Little is known of Harriet HALSTEAD ,
any help as to her death would be appreciated
Turramurra
Hi One tree I was looking at gave all her siblings as dying in New South Wales so perhaps there are records showing their departure and it may include harriett Ronnie
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Thank you to all who are untangling this Harriet Halstead
Indeed a mystery
As a member of the original HALSTEAD family in Australia I have been wondering about HARRIET for a long time...
(In fact have a granddaughter named Harriette)
It is encouraging to know that rootschat kind members are ready to help with evasive ancestors.
It would be good to find a death certificate for Harriet Halstead.
Her sister,Emily Halstead went to Canada as an adult and died in there.
Many thanks from Turramurra.
NSW Australia
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MY QUOTE
There is a family tree showing Harriett Halstead, death showing 23/01/1914 Dundee, Monroe Michigan, USA, looks as if she remained single,
I stick by this from my earlier post on this subject, therefore I would find her death cert in America
she should also be in an outgoing list, wonder if she emigrated under another name although looks as if she didn't marry
LM
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Thank you, Louisa Maud I will search further and explore this possibility.
Amazing that strangers help each other with family history...
I owe rootschat a great debt for all the offers of research over the years.
Turramurra
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MY QUOTE
There is a family tree showing Harriett Halstead, death showing 23/01/1914 Dundee, Monroe Michigan, USA, looks as if she remained single,
I stick by this from my earlier post on this subject, therefore I would find her death cert in America
she should also be in an outgoing list, wonder if she emigrated under another name although looks as if she didn't marry
LM
Doesn't look like her. Darn.
Find a Grave:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01i6q/
Maureen
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The gravestone has 1850 on it, which according to the write up is wrong, but it is a good find, then the family trees on Ancestry might be wrong
Back to the drawing board
Louisa Maud
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There is something stranger about HARRIET(T)
A good majority of family trees on l ancestry link her up to the siblings listed on 1851, the only 2 that family search haven't got listed for baptisms are Obidiah born 1843/1844 and Harriet(t) born circa 1850
It also looks as if Harriet(t) emigrated quite early on, I can't find any shipping records so far, so where do we go from here as so many are sure she is related to the 1851 siblings, possibly travelled out in the 1860's sometime, would she have gone alone?
I am totally confused being as I thought I had found her
Louisa Maud
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Louisa Maud,
Delighted that you are helping the Harriet Halstead search.
Just so happens we are having a Halstead gathering today...with a 3rd cousin related to Emily Halstead and we are trying to sought out the whereabouts of Harriet.
I will let you know what we have discovered (if anything) after afternoon tea.
Are you acquainted with the Halstead clan ?
James Halstead a brother of Harriet and Emily sponsored many of his siblings to venture to Australia.Most of the families settled at Lavender Bay, North Sydney and were ferry boat builders, sea faring Master Mariners. They lived about the North Sydney area and had many descendants.
I have asked for research help over the years from rootschat..it is indeed a wealth of information and generosity,
Thank you very much for the interest and help,
Christine
Turramurra
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Emily was aged 54 when she went to Canada with son Charles Beach, looks like her destination was Winnipeg, surely at that age she would not have gone without expecting to meet with family or good friends that had gone ahead.
Do you have the article on the inquest of Samuel Halstead, The Chelmsford Chronicle has the better article, states the inquest was at The White Horse Inn evidence given by daughter Mary Ann. Died of a heart attack, leaves a wife and eight children the wife expecting another any day.
Its on ancestry wasn't sure if it was your tree.
Its a pity they stopped baptizing the children after 1842.
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Hi Christine
No I am not acquainted with the Halsted/Halstead family, I am just a Rootschatter that helps out from time to time, plus if I get stuck I asked for myself, it is a great site where mostly mysteries can be solved , but not in every case.
Some Rootschatters have a wealth of knowledge, they are a great team even if I may say so myself
I am just finding Harriet(t) a mystery so far
Enjoy your get together
Happy hunting
Louisa Maud
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I notice you started seeking the HALSTEAD/HALSTED family way back in 2008, how things have progressed as more info comes to light
If Harriet(t) died after a census has anyone thought of checking on that census, it might give her place of birth and even date of birth but it would need to be put out on another board I am sure
Louisa Maud
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You most likely have this but
Samuel was buried 14/09/1851
Mary Anne 29/10/1851
But also on the BMD I the same quarter as Mary is a male Halsted buried, no Christian name, can't find a birth reg or baptism for him, is it possible that Emily was a twin and the boy died at birth or was stillborn and he was registered at burial but nowhere else.
There may be a connection to the Tillbrook family as the 1851 census shows a Jos Tillbrook aged 70 born 1781 in Salcott Essex as a lodger with the Wicks family.
Just a thought Susanna may have kept Emily as she would have been a newborn and Susanna a daughter Louisa the same age by the 1861 census so Emily may have been a nurse child
Just had another thought, there was a thing called the Children's Friends Society in the 19th century, it was to send orphans and poor children to the USA and Australia/New Zealand, I notice a lot of the family seems to end up in Aussie could this be how they got there.
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Thank you to Jolee for entering into the search with louisa maud and others.
After hours of combined searching yesterday with ancestry and freebmd we are none the wiser about Harriet Halstead.
But we did do a wealth of research on her younger sister Emily Halstead who had married James Beech/Beach,a widower in 1883.in London
After many children to various fathers, Emily Beach emigrates to Canada 17th August 1905 with her youngest son Charles,.She dies in Winnipeg 19th December 1924.
The Halstead family in Sydney Australia has been working to discover ancestors for many years.Turramurra
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But we did do a wealth of research on her younger sister Emily Halstead who had married James Beech/Beach,a widower in 1883.in London
After many children to various fathers, Emily Beach emigrates to Canada 17th August 1905 with her youngest son Charles,.She dies in Winnipeg 19th December 1924.
The Halstead family in Sydney Australia has been working to discover ancestors for many years.Turramurra
About Emily...
Sorry,but I cannot spot that woman anywhere in Canada.
If you have the correct death record... it should be on here:
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
Maureen
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If Harriet (t) Halstead/Halsted died in 1914 surely there must be an American census that can be referred to prior to 1914 ?
Louisa Maud
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But we did do a wealth of research on her younger sister Emily Halstead who had married James Beech/Beach,a widower in 1883.in London
After many children to various fathers, Emily Beach emigrates to Canada 17th August 1905 with her youngest son Charles,.She dies in Winnipeg 19th December 1924.
The Halstead family in Sydney Australia has been working to discover ancestors for many years.Turramurra
About Emily...
Sorry,but I cannot spot that woman anywhere in Canada.
If you have the correct death record... it should be on here:
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
Maureen
;D ;D ;D
Just answering my own question....NOW I see that Emily re-married in Wpg. 1910 to Arthur THOMAS. No wonder I couldn't spot her in any census. :)
Maureen
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It was Harriett Halstead who I was wondering was in a USA census prior to her death
LM
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This one,I think:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MLRZ-D7S
Maureen
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In that case it seems she is not the one born in Essex, Southminster, therefore she has gone AWOL !!
LM
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Have you written the Maldon Registration District to see if a Halsted child was accidentally omitted from the records sent to London for compilation.
You know she was born in Southminster 1849/1850 but perhaps not named Harriet on her registration or the last name was muddled.
They are the original registration office and have the most complete records.
Maldon Registration
Carmelite House
White Horse Lane
Maldon, Essex CM9 5FW
email registration @Essex.gov.uk (this might be a central email and not just Maldon)
Tel 0345 603 7632
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What a good idea,
LM
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Thank you amondg for your suggestion
It is always helpful to have others working on your puzzles !!
I have always found genealogists and family historians to be resourceful.
Something must have happened to Harriet Halstead!
Turramurra
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The strange thing is Harriet(t) Halstead/Halsted is listed on quite a few Ancestry family trees being born Southminster
A mystery to me so far
LM