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Title: Are these twins, if so where is Dorothy?
Post by: kmart66 on Saturday 23 July 16 11:20 BST (UK)
Hi
Raymond Frederick Marshall son of Frederick George Marshall and Laura Jessie Kettle born 17 Oct 1916, birth registered Q4 1916 Southwark, I know he had a sister my maternal grandmother Elsie L L Marshall Q2 1913 Southwark and a brother Robert W Marshall Q3 1924 Camberwell. However I have found a Dorothy W Marshall Q4 1916 Camberwell (mothers name Kettle) could she be Raymond's twin sister and if so why is the registration district different. Also what happens to Dorothy as there is no one left to ask.

Kevin
Title: Re: Are these twins, if so where is Dorothy?
Post by: groom on Saturday 23 July 16 11:35 BST (UK)
Very unusual if they were twins, as presumably they would have been born close to each other in the same place, and that is where their births would be registered. The only scenario I can think of for the difference would be if one was born first at home, there were complications with the second and the mother was taken to a hospital in another borough where the second one was born.

There is a marriage of a Frederick Marshall in 1899 at St Saviour, Southwark and on the same page Alice Maud M Kettle. Possibly Dorothy was their child?
Title: Re: Are these twins, if so where is Dorothy?
Post by: kmart66 on Saturday 23 July 16 11:50 BST (UK)
Thankyou for that Groom, i'll wait and see if any more replies come in if not i'll order the certificate.

Kevin
Title: Re: Are these twins, if so where is Dorothy?
Post by: groom on Saturday 23 July 16 12:03 BST (UK)
Was Raymond Frederick Marshall the person who died in Lambeth in 1975 with a birth date of 17th October 1916? If so, when applying for the birth certificate of Dorothy, you could say you don't want it unless her birthdate is the same or at the most a day or so later.
Title: Re: Are these twins, if so where is Dorothy?
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 23 July 16 12:25 BST (UK)
1938/39 Electoral register 127 Casino Ave only has
Frederick George
Laura Jessie
Raymond Frederick

1937 only has Frederick George and Laura Jessie
Title: Re: Are these twins, if so where is Dorothy?
Post by: AddictedtoFamilyTree on Saturday 23 July 16 12:45 BST (UK)
Have you found them in the pre-war 1939 register? The preview is free. Do most of your Marshalls stay in the same area? Haven't found many clues for a Dorothy W Marshall born in 1916 :(
Title: Re: Are these twins, if so where is Dorothy?
Post by: groom on Saturday 23 July 16 13:03 BST (UK)
Have you found them in the pre-war 1939 register? The preview is free. Do most of your Marshalls stay in the same area? Haven't found many clues for a Dorothy W Marshall born in 1916 :(

As they were born in 1916, because of the hundred years rule, they may not be shown on that unless someone has asked for their records to be opened and can prove they have died.
Title: Re: Are these twins, if so where is Dorothy?
Post by: AddictedtoFamilyTree on Saturday 23 July 16 13:24 BST (UK)
Its worth a look surely? Records of people younger than 100 and still alive, or who died after 1991 are officially closed. I can find some of my Grandad's older siblings born between 1901 and 1919 who died before 1991 on the 1939 register.
Title: Re: Are these twins, if so where is Dorothy?
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 23 July 16 13:45 BST (UK)
She is not appearing with FG,  LJ & Raymond on the electoral register for 1939 (Post 4)
Title: Re: Are these twins, if so where is Dorothy?
Post by: carol8353 on Saturday 23 July 16 14:53 BST (UK)
The other Marshall couple are still in Camberwell in 1901 and 1911.

1901 census.
Frederick Marshall    32
Alice Marshall    25
Frederick Marshall    1

And by 1911 they have 5 children.

I think it highly possible that Dorothy b 1916 is one of theirs.