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Title: thomas hoggarth help find his parents
Post by: oldhippyone on Friday 22 July 16 13:25 BST (UK)
im not sure if this is the catergory im trying to find the parents , sibblings etc of thomas hoggarth [ other ways hogart , hogarth ] i have his marriage to annie elizabeth paylor in 1923 at stokesly i think his occ says signalman but cant make it out ,it just says on marriage father hoggarth and says signal ??? decesed age his 39 making birth 1884 hers 24 making birth 1889, i have the record for 1939 register and on it are annie 4 sep 1898 THOMAS 6 oct 1876 , with ronald 1932 thomas 1926 , kathleen m ironside [ hoggarth ] i dont know who she is , can any one help find more info on thomas who was thomas 1876 and who was thomas 1884 parents any help appreciated
Title: Re: thomas hoggarth help find his parents
Post by: miriamkinga on Friday 22 July 16 13:46 BST (UK)
in the image in the Yorkshire Marriages Thomas's occupation looks like "Roadman", his father is given as - Hoggarth, signalman, deceased.
Title: Re: thomas hoggarth help find his parents
Post by: oldhippyone on Friday 22 July 16 13:48 BST (UK)
thanks but how do i find his parents and his place of birth i have looked and cant find him in any census
Title: Re: thomas hoggarth help find his parents
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 22 July 16 13:51 BST (UK)
His circa age at death is bc.1877 so would suggest the 1876 birthdate in 1939 is the correct one.  Since he was considerably older that his wife he clearly 'fibbed' about his age when they married i.e. 46 not 39!

Their first 3 children registered as Hoggart (mmn Paylor) - Kathleen M. is as Hoggarth Dec.1933 and mmn shown as Palor!

What Christian name is given for his father when he married?

Annette
Title: Re: thomas hoggarth help find his parents
Post by: miriamkinga on Friday 22 July 16 13:54 BST (UK)
There's just a dash Annette on the marriage entry where his father's first name should be  :(
Title: Re: thomas hoggarth help find his parents
Post by: oldhippyone on Friday 22 July 16 13:55 BST (UK)
there is no name give on marriage just hogarth
Title: Re: thomas hoggarth help find his parents
Post by: Spidermonkey on Friday 22 July 16 13:57 BST (UK)
Who are the witnesses to his marriage please?
Title: Re: thomas hoggarth help find his parents
Post by: oldhippyone on Friday 22 July 16 13:58 BST (UK)
his wife was annie elizabeth paylor 1898/99 so i asumed charles poylo was paylor and annies sibbling
Title: Re: thomas hoggarth help find his parents
Post by: oldhippyone on Friday 22 July 16 13:59 BST (UK)
i have just placed a photo of there marriage on hear icant make the witness out
Title: Re: thomas hoggarth help find his parents
Post by: Spidermonkey on Friday 22 July 16 15:03 BST (UK)
If the birthdate on the 1939 register is correct, then Thomas' birth should have been registered in the Dec qtr of 1876 - doesn't appear to be obviously there though.

Also, he is noted as working for Durham CC on the 1939 register - have you checked with Durham CC to see if they hold their employment records in the archive?
Title: Re: thomas hoggarth help find his parents
Post by: oldhippyone on Friday 22 July 16 15:06 BST (UK)
what is durham cc ?
Title: Re: thomas hoggarth help find his parents
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 22 July 16 15:07 BST (UK)
Durham County Council.

Annette
Title: Re: thomas hoggarth help find his parents
Post by: oldhippyone on Friday 22 July 16 15:10 BST (UK)
i will give them a call on monday is a roadman working on the roads ? or the railway ?
Title: Re: thomas hoggarth help find his parents
Post by: Spidermonkey on Friday 22 July 16 15:19 BST (UK)
I would interpret Roadman as working on the roads.  I was wondering whether the signal man profession of his father indicated working on railway.  There was a J W Hoggart working for Midland railway at various stations between c. 1890 and 1909, but I can't conclusively find this person on the corresponding censuses  ::)
Title: Re: thomas hoggarth help find his parents
Post by: oldhippyone on Friday 22 July 16 15:47 BST (UK)
Thank you can i ask how i can find more on the man you mentioned working on the railway because the family has always believed one of there ancestors worked on the railway
Title: Re: thomas hoggarth help find his parents
Post by: Spidermonkey on Friday 22 July 16 15:50 BST (UK)
There is a database on Ancestry for railway employment records.  I don't know to what extent it is complete though.
Title: Re: thomas hoggarth help find his parents
Post by: oldhippyone on Friday 22 July 16 15:51 BST (UK)
Thank you
Title: Re: thomas hoggarth help find his parents
Post by: oldhippyone on Friday 22 July 16 16:18 BST (UK)
Just looked and no signalman but thanks