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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: raygriffiths139 on Friday 22 July 05 13:59 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone,
Can someone help me I've been looking for the perants of A.J.Beach for some time without luck.
He married Rhoda Davies in 1895 at The Narth, Trelleck, Monmouth, Wales,
Their two Children were Arthur John Ambrose Beach b. 17 Aug 1899 at Trelleck, Monmouth, Wales.
And Grace Beach b. Abt. 1897 at Trelleck, Monmouth, Wales.
Thanks
Ray
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Hello
Free bmd has the following marriage in 1896.
The marriage certificate should give the fathers name.
Rhys
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Sep 1896
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BEACH Albert John Monmouth 11a 76
Davies Rhoda Monmouth 11a 76
Evans Thomas Monmouth 11a 76
Watkins Sarah Monmouth 11a 76
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Hi Rhys,
I obtained the marriage cert some time back and it shows:-
Rhoda Davies 22, Father Thomas Davies.
Albert John Beach 23, The section where his Fathers name should be is blank.
I'm just hoping this is not the end of my research.
Ray
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Hello Ray
This is a possibility ~ put it under "maybe" ;D
RG13/4926 20 7
BEACH Albert H M 27 - woodcutter - Monmouth
BEACH Rhoda W M 26 - Trelleck
BEACH Arthur son 1 - ditto
BEACH Grace dau 4 - ditto
In Trelleck
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RG12/4342 6 5
BEECH Benjamin H M 62 - roadman - Llangarren Hef
BEECH Elizabeth W M 61 - Llanishen, Mon
BEECH Albert son U 18 - labourer - Dingestow, Mon
Address: Coedvedw, Dingestowe
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RG11/5227 20 6
BEACH Benjamin H M 54 - lab farm - Dorton?
BEACH Elizabeth W M 52 - dressmaker - Raglan
BEACH James son 12 - scholar - Dingestow
BEACH Albert son 9 - ditto - ditto
Address: Coedvedw Cottage, Dingestow, Mon
Hope this helps
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hello Arranroots,
Thank you for the infomation on A.J.Beach, I will research into the info below and let you know how I get on.
BEACH Benjamin H M 54 - lab farm - Dorton?
BEACH Elizabeth W M 52 - dressmaker - Raglan
BEACH James son 12 - scholar - Dingestow
BEACH Albert son 9 - ditto - ditto
Address: Coedvedw Cottage, Dingestow, Mon
Many Thanks
Ray
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My thinking is, that they are the same chap in different census years.
Good luck!
A ;)
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Hi,
I notice that on 1901 census he goes by the name of John Beach...
Could he be:
1891
RG12/4344
Folio 122 p. 7
Trelleck, Monmouthshire
Beacon Cottage, Payns Place
John A Beach, servant, 17, Farm Labourer, b. Monmouth
(at the farm of Watkin Price)
1881:
RG11/5228
Folio 81 p. 27
Fanny Hicks, head, mar, 44, Sewing Machinist
John Hicks, son, 8, scholar
William (B?)olton, lodger, unm, 21, General Labourer
Ellen do., lodger, unm, 28, General servant unemployed
John Beach, boarder, 8, scholar, b. Monmouth
George Hawkins, boarder, unm, 28, General Labourer
Which I agree doesn't help us regarding his parents :-\ and probably just confuses more. Sorry.
Tanja
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Yes, I think you need to take Rhys's advice and get the marriage cert to be sure you are following the right family.
There are obviously several possibiliites and I could be leading you astray with the wrong one. ;D
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi
the Albert , son of Benjamin could well be a single police man
in Sheerness Kent in 1901. Ancestry have him as born Montana but
In fact it is Monmouth.( makes a change from Somalia for Somerset ,and my gggf born Nantyglo. Nebraska.)
There is a birth for John Beach June 1873 Monmouth 11a 39
On the 1871 Monmouth there is a Mary Beach 19 Unmarried
servant born Herefordshire unknown.
May be a connection in view of the absence of a father on the
marriage certificate.
Rhys
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Hi Rhys - Alberts father Benjamin, I think, may turn out to be my GG Granfathers brother, he was born Dixton which is on the edge of Monmouth (Town) He married Elizabeth Partridge, I know one son became a police man in somewhere like Blaina, and another became a policeman in the MET. (Kent) I'll put together more info, Cheers Fred Beach
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Hello Arranroots,
Your research (below) is spot on,
RG13/4926 20 7
BEACH Albert H M 27 - woodcutter - Monmouth
BEACH Rhoda W M 26 - Trelleck
BEACH Arthur son 1 - ditto
BEACH Grace dau 4 - ditto
In Trelleck
I have the marriage cert for Arthur John Ambrose Beach age 27 and Madeline Lent age 20 in 1926 at Bridgend, Glamorgan and it shows his Father is Albert and a woodcutter.
Ray
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Hurray! ;D
Thanks for the feedback Ray - good luck with the rest of your research.
give me a shout if I can help!
A ;)
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Hello Arranroots,
Did you read the message from Ryhs where he says :-There is a birth for John Beach June 1873 Monmouth 11a 39, I obtained this certificate some time back but for some reason I dismissed it and I can't remember why. It says John, Mother Ellen Beach but again the space for the Fathers name is blank. Another message sent in by Tati also interested me,(below)
1881:
RG11/5228
Folio 81 p. 27
Fanny Hicks, head, mar, 44, Sewing Machinist
John Hicks, son, 8, scholar
William (B?)olton, lodger, unm, 21, General Labourer
Ellen do., lodger, unm, 28, General servant unemployed
John Beach, boarder, 8, scholar, b. Monmouth
George Hawkins, boarder, unm, 28, General Labourer
The name above John Beach is Ellen Bolton, could this be just a coincidence, I would appreciate your opinion.
Ray
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Hello Ray
I see what you are getting at! I will have another look at Ellen and see if we can find out anything about her, where she is born and what her relationship to William might be.
Could be that John is her illegitimate son, but it is strange that he is a boarder, while she is a lodger. Unless the landlady looked after him while his mother worked.
I'll get back to you anyway
Arranroots ;)
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Hi Ray,
In 1871 searching for an Ellen born Dixton (I think that's what it says as birthplace for Ellen in 1881), this is what I find:
RG10/5304
Folio 4 p. 2
St Mary, Monmouthshire
Obviously at the workhouse:
Ellen Beach, 20, unm, inmate, Domestic Servant, b. Dicton Monmouthshire
John Beach, 1, inmate, b. Union Workhouse Mon
And no Ellen Bolton in sight!
Tanja
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Also, very sorry for confusing you, they are all down as boarders!
Tanja :)
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This Ellen can also be found at home with her parents in 1861, one of her siblings is a john.
No sign of a marriage for Ellen BOLTON or BEACH in Monmouth or vicinity.
Looks like your illegitimacy theory may be correct.
RG9/3988 38 9
BEACH Benjamin H M - wood ?cutter - Mon ??
BEACH Sushanah W M 50 - ditto wife - ditto
BEACH John son U 19 - ag lab - Dixton
BEACH Ellen dau 14 - scholar - ditto
BEACH Samuel son 12 - ditto - ditto
BEACH Edwin son 10 - ditto - ditto
A ;)
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Hello All - Who is it that has the Beach connection, and where are you now? Pretty well all Beach's born in and around Monmouth seem to have a connection to Dixton, the problem we have is that each generation used the same names, so you will have several Johns, there are two born close together in the Buckholt around 1841, one became a builder and later took his family to Australia, and there is a Ellen Beach born 1880 again in the Buckholt, the daughter of John and Mary Ann, the Buckholt baptisms were at Dixton church.
Up at Trelleck they go back to around 1800, but again there is still the link to Dixton. John beach born Trelleck 1843 son of John and Harriet, John juniors son was Frederick E born Dixton 1866, this family went on to farm at St Briavels on the other side of the Wye. Here are some more Trelleck details
1808 - William Young Beach bap, no parents recorded, probably illigitimate, but the Young may point to the father being one of the Young family in the area.
1815 - Eliza Beach bap 16th July Trelleck daughter of John and Sarah Beach of The Narth, they have another daughter 1820 - Mary Beach bap 15th Jan
1820 - Edward Beach bap 16th July Trelleck, son of Benjamin and Anne Beach of "Wain-y Parc, The Narth (Ben is a coal carrier)
1841 - Herbert Beach bap 24th June Trelleck son of John and Harriet, then the son I mentioned above
1843 - John Beach bap 17th Nov Trelleck, then a daughter
1847 - Emma Beach bap 11th April Trelleck, and another son
1849 - George Beach bap 1st April.
Amongst all the births I can only find two Alberts, the son of Benjamin at Coed-y-fedw cottage near Dingestow born 1872, and the other Alberts birth is registered in the April qtr 1875 Pontypridd. In 1901 the Albert born 1872 is in a Metropolitan Police College in Sheerness in Kent.
I have a lot of info, but I am following my own direct links, putting the rest into families would be a hard task.
Fanny Hicks was born Whitchurch? where there are links to the local Beach family, 8 year old John was probably there to be near the school, it's a fair walk for an 8 year old from the Buckholt, there is a Susan Beach born Whitchurch a few streets away with her grandchild also Susan Beach.
Nice to see some Beach interest
Cheers Fred Beach (Monmouth)
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Looks like Christmas, Ray! ;D ;D
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This is just an update as to where I am at the moment. RCB's information was very interesting and I have spent some time trying to find a link, this is what I found.
Albert John Beach, Married Rhoda Davies:-
Rhoda Davies's Father was Thomas Davies:-
Thomas Davies's Father was James Davies, who in the 1861 census lived next door but one too:-
John Beach b. 1778
Herbert Beach b. 1842
Emma Beach b. 1848
Could this be the link I've been looking for ?.
Ray
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Hi - Not been about for a while.
Rhys - How are things moving with your Beach research???
Tanya -
Ellen Beach said to be 20 in the workhouse with her son, will almost certainly be the Ellen Beach 14, daughter of Benjammin and Susannah living in Mansons lane, The Old Shop, The Buckholt. in 1861, they are there too in 1851. 1841. (Susannah is somertimes listed as Susan)
In 1841 my GGG-Grandfather also Benjamin Beach is living nearby, they are cousins, and descended from Beach families in the Grosmont, St Maughans, Garway area, within site of the Buckholt. If I remember it say's Ellen was born Llanrothal which is down on the river Monnow, about half way between Monmouth and Grosmont. Tanya if you have never been here, this is countryside at it's best, the view from the Old Shop is tremendous.
The Beach family seem to have links by marriage, cousins and second cousins, I imagine people moved away, one John Beach born about 1840 went off to Australia, and when I was in Melbourne I found out his daughter died in Camberwell where I was staying.
Keep asking questions, always best to share info, some people have given me tremendous help via these boards. Cheers Fred Beach