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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Sligo => Topic started by: Frank2 on Monday 11 July 16 05:55 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone,
My great-great grandmother was born in Sligo, I believe. Her name was Mary, and her father's name as listed on her death cert. in Pennsylvania was John Kilhullen. She also had a sister Kathryn. My main question is about the name Kilhullen. I've looked around and I only seem to find the name Kilhullen in the U.S. I read a post by someone on another site saying that Kilhullen is a change in spelling of the name Kilcullen that happened after arrival in the U.S. Can anyone help me out on this? Should I be looking for records of Kilcullens in Ireland instead? There don't seem to be any Ireland records with the name Kilhullen that I can find.
Thanks for any help you can give. :)
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Hi everyone,
My great-great grandmother was born in Sligo, I believe. Her name was Mary, and her father's name as listed on her death cert. in Pennsylvania was John Kilhullen. She also had a sister Kathryn. My main question is about the name Kilhullen. I've looked around and I only seem to find the name Kilhullen in the U.S. I read a post by someone on another site saying that Kilhullen is a change in spelling of the name Kilcullen that happened after arrival in the U.S. Can anyone help me out on this? Should I be looking for records of Kilcullens in Ireland instead? There don't seem to be any Ireland records with the name Kilhullen that I can find.
Thanks for any help you can give. :)
Reckon so.. Kilcullen would certainly look correct
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If you go to http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/ and just put Kil*ullen and Sligo for 1901 Census you won't find Kilhullen
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hz4/
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Hi,
Kilhullen is not in the rootsireland list of names.
Kilcullen is listed.
Using "exact spelling" there are 10 Mary Kilcullen with the father John, 1829 to 1899 born in Sligo.
If you let me know the approx. year, then I may be able to help.
Maggsie
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I think this is an earlier thread re this lady - for reference
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=689960
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Thanks... didn't see there was already a thread with a pile of replies on it.
Not sure of Why the need to start a new one!
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This thread is really just about the surname i would say - Kilhullen or Kilcullen whilst the previous one was about the people.
I posted for reference if people started searching.
As you have said, the Sligo references are Kilcullen.
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Thanks everyone. Yeah, I posted a separate thread because I just wanted input as to whether it's likely that Kilhullen is actually Kilcullen. It seemed likely to me, but when doing this kind of research I don't want to assume anything if I can help it.
Hi,
Kilhullen is not in the rootsireland list of names.
Kilcullen is listed.
Using "exact spelling" there are 10 Mary Kilcullen with the father John, 1829 to 1899 born in Sligo.
If you let me know the approx. year, then I may be able to help.
Maggsie
The approximate year of birth for Mary is between about 1863 to 1868 (I have some conflicting info). Father is John Kilhullen and mother is Jane Linny (variant spellings). I lean more towards the 1863 estimate because it's based on her statement of age on her marriage license. The later estimate is based on the informant's info for her death cert. Thanks.
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Hi,
Can I just check with you.....
In other posts you mentioned McGuinness or different spellings.
Did Jane Linney marry him?
Maggsie
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When the girls were in school, in your records, what surname did they have?
The other thread has the McGinnis (variations) children born to Pat and Jane Linney - do you have them in U.S.?
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Hi,
Can I just check with you.....
In other posts you mentioned McGuinness or different spellings.
Did Jane Linney marry him?
Maggsie
Marriage is here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGD6-LML
The marriage indicates that the spouse -Jane is widowed.
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Ok,
Jane Linney at the time of her marriage to Pat McGennus was a Widow aged 26.
I can't find Mary born to a John Kilcullen and Jane Linney.
The Easky births only start at 1864.
The children born to Pat McGennus and Jane Linney there is a Mathre looking at the record in registers it's a squiggly Mary Baptised 4th Oct 1866.
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634617#page/8/mode/1up
Maggsie
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Hi Maggsie,
I don't think it looks like Mary - there is no descender on the last letter - others on the same page -'y' and 'g' for example have clear descenders but ...
I think it has been suggested that the name could be 'Math' - Matthew ??? Or Matilda.
It is a pity that we can't find a Kilcullen/Linney marriage.
Heywood
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Yes, just noticed "a male"
Maggsie
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Yes, just noticed "a male"
Maggsie
Thanks Maggsie.
If you look at the other thread it would seem that two fathers are named on different documents for Mary which would imply that Jane Linney married twice and the stepfather brought Mary up - hence sometimes he is dad and sometime John Kilcullen is dad.
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Irish Ancestors doesn't have Kilhullen but gives the following as variants of Kilcullen
Kilgallen
Kilgallon
Kilgallin
Killcullen
Gilgallin
All from Griffith's Valuation
Other records
Kilcullin
Killgallon
Mac Giolla
Chaillin.
https://www.johngrenham.com/surnames/
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Kilgallon was my maiden name..from Sligo Ireland..on researching I have come across a Kilgallon child with a father as Kilgannon. In other records I have Kilgallin..Kilgallen.. and also noted in NLI a man married as Kilgallon and his father was as Gallon..this my had been a miss on the Kil part of the name by the priest.
Sinann list of variants fits in well with what I have found.
Cheers
Yonks