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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Meath => Topic started by: hunterterri58 on Sunday 10 July 16 12:26 BST (UK)
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I am not sure if I am in the right forum, but I have just discovered that my 3rd grt grandfather is from Meath in Ireland but I cannot see his birth on ancestry.
I see that Meath is near Dublin and there is a Thomas Lindsay (thats him!) born in Kingstown, which seems not far from where the google maps puts me in Meath. He was born around 1822. This one is 1824 in Kingstown, Dublin.
Any thoughts much appreciated. I have a few now that are going into Ireland and I am a bit lost as to how to research them.
Thanks :)
Teresa
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Religion?
RC records are online, free.
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Civil registration of births didn't start until 1864 so for earlier dates you need to check for a church record of baptism.
Here's the link to the Catholic Parish records-
http://registers.nli.ie/
Kingstown is south of Dublin but Meath is northwest so not really that close in terms of place of birth. Unless you have other details it's probably impossible to say if any record you do find is for the correct person. When and where did your ancestor marry?
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Hi,
Yes his birth is in Ancestry, just seen it.
Cath and William are his parents.
In the rootsireland site it says his address or mum and dad's address is Dalkey.
Kingstown is now known as Dun Laoghaire.
Maggsie
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Hi,
Yes his birth is in Ancestry, just seen it.
Cath and William are his parents.
In the rootsireland site it says his address or mum and dad's address is Dalkey.
Kingstown is now known as Dun Laoghaire.
Maggsie
Maggsie,
Presumably this is the one born Kingstown. Can you see one for Meath?
Heywood
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Teresa,
Is this your ancestor in St Brides, London
1871 424/16/26
Thomas Lindsay 49 yrs born Newcastle, Co Meath
With a son and daughter
It is very feint but has been transcribed as that.
1881 shows Oldcastle, Ireland and with that in mind, 1871 looks more like Oldcastle, Meath.
Heywood
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If this is the right man, his marriage to Eliza Blackburn in 1871 shows his father as Thomas.
His marriage in 1842 to Caroline Watson also has father as Thomas.
I will stop now as I could be going off on the wrong track altogether ;)
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Hi,
A Thomas Lyndsay born in Meath in 1864, in Rathmoylon to a Thomas and Mary and he was a Clergyman C of I.
Not him I think.
My husbands Grandfather spoke with a broad Irish accent leaving Ireland in 1910.
I searched for him and couldn't find him any where in Ireland. He lived in South King Street Dublin.
or King Street South depending on what record you are looking at.
I found him in Glasgow, born there, lived there until he was 4 then went to Dublin.
My Gran and Grandad were from Tipperary, they moved to Dublin and had my Uncle, then they moved back to Tipperary.
So Thomas may have been born in Kingstown and went to Meath.
Maggsie
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If this is the right man, his marriage to Eliza Blackburn in 1871 shows his father as Thomas.
His marriage in 1842 to Caroline Watson also has father as Thomas.
I will stop now as I could be going off on the wrong track altogether ;)
Now ... A puzzle.
1841 has James and Mary Lindsay with Thomas, Henry and Caroline Watson all in the same household.
James and Mary are old enough to be parents but the marriages have a Thomas' father as Thomas.
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Now ... A puzzle.
1841 has James and Mary Lindsay with Thomas, Henry and Caroline Watson all in the same household.
James and Mary are old enough to be parents but the marriages have a Thomas' father as Thomas.
I've seen records where James and Thomas have been confused when being transcribed- could that be the case here I wonder?
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Me too, Aghadowey but it does say James. As it is 1841 no relationships are shown.
I hope it is the right person- I thought I should wait now :)
Just checked 1851 and James and Mary are there :-\
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Hello all
Sorry, I have been unwell.
So are we saying that the Thomas who married Eliza Blackburn, married Caroline Watson originally and then married again?
Interestingly, Blackburn is my other line in this area!!! And just to confuse matters more, I have a Thomas Julias Pampe Blackburn (any ideas on that name greatly appreciated because they are very unusual middle names!!), who is my third great grandfather, who marred Eliza Watson!!!!! All strangely coincidental, or did the families know each other?
I have Thomas and Caroline living in the Farringdon without and Westminster area. I do have their marriage and Thomas is a taylor.
Their daughter, Jane is my second great grandmother and she was christened in St Andrews, Holborn in 1843. She is their oldest daughter.
So, should I be looking in the irish records for Thomas? And we now think the Kingstown one is too far away from Meath?
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Now ... A puzzle.
1841 has James and Mary Lindsay with Thomas, Henry and Caroline Watson all in the same household.
James and Mary are old enough to be parents but the marriages have a Thomas' father as Thomas.
I've seen records where James and Thomas have been confused when being transcribed- could that be the case here I wonder?
I cannot see this entry, whereabouts were they living?
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Hello,
1841 732/17/26
Transcribed as Lindsley
Regards
Heywood
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WoW!
Thanks. I have found that census record now and as Thomas is a Tailor it makes this a very real possibility as his father, James is a Tailer.
My only problem here is that on the marriage certificate Thomas lists his father as Thomas, also a Tailor!
I am not great at understanding the geography so I have no idea how to match up my Thomas to the Catholic records.
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Religion not known. Thomas and Caroline were married in the parish church in Holborn
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Teresa,
Is this your ancestor in St Brides, London
1871 424/16/26
Thomas Lindsay 49 yrs born Newcastle, Co Meath
With a son and daughter
It is very feint but has been transcribed as that.
1881 shows Oldcastle, Ireland and with that in mind, 1871 looks more like Oldcastle, Meath.
Heywood
I think this is him!! What is even more amazing for me is that he lived next door to my widowed third great grandmother, Eliza Blackburn, who he then married in 1871! Cannot trace his death as yet, but it is an interesting story we are building here. Just cant place his birth yet. Are the protestant records for Ireland available?
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I can't see anything helpful for the time you need. :(
Perhaps someone with more knowledge will be able to help.
Good luck.
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I think this is him!! What is even more amazing for me is that he lived next door to my widowed third great grandmother, Eliza Blackburn, who he then married in 1871! Cannot trace his death as yet, but it is an interesting story we are building here. Just cant place his birth yet. Are the protestant records for Ireland available?
What religion? R.C.B., Dublin will have Church of Ireland records but most other religions do not have records online.
http://ireland.anglican.org/about/21
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morning everyone!
I have been trying to piece all we have together, but still need your expert help! :)
Thomas was born, he says, in Oldcastle, Meath , Ireland. His marriage certificate says his father was Thomas who was a Tailor, the same as Thomas, also a tailor.
In 1841 he was staying with a James Lindsley (Lindsey) and Mary who seem to be about the age his parents would be. James is also a Tailor!
So, James could possible be his Uncle?
There is a Henry, a year younger than Thomas living there, possible Thomas' younger brother?
Also, Caroline Watson, who later becomes Thomas' wife!
They are living in the Westminster area of London.
They have children, the oldest daughter, Jane, being my ancestor.
They lived next door to Thomas Julias Pampe Blackburn and Eliza Watson (interesting that the name Watson is again here!)
Thomas is my ancestor also, but sadly had to go into the workhouse and eventually died, leaving Eliza a young widow.
Caroline died in 1869 and Thomas Blackburn died later that same year.
Both widow and widower then married in 1871.
Thomas Blackburn's son Charles married Thomas Lindsay's daughter, Jane in 1873
All very interesting.
But now I am so stuck on going backwards on Thomas Lindsay.
I have looked at the RC Oldcastle baptisms and cannot see him there, and it does not look like the protestant records are available online.
Any thoughts greatly appreciated as I feel sure that Thomas and James were brothers and that for whatever reason Thomas junior came over here, maybe following his uncles ideals, with his younger brother, so somewhere in Ireland is a Lindsay family line.
I can see there is a very big Lindsay family with both Irish and Scottish roots, but not sure if this would have anything at all to do with mine as they seem a wealthy family and mine are all simple folk.
Your wonderful thoughts anticipated! :D ;) ;)
Teresa
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morning everyone!
I have been trying to piece all we have together, but still need your expert help! :)
Thomas was born, he says, in Oldcastle, Meath , Ireland. His marriage certificate says his father was Thomas who was a Tailor, the same as Thomas, also a tailor.
In 1841 he was staying with a James Lindsley (Lindsey) and Mary who seem to be about the age his parents would be. James is also a Tailor!
So, James could possible be his Uncle?
There is a Henry, a year younger than Thomas living there, possible Thomas' younger brother?
Also, Caroline Watson, who later becomes Thomas' wife!
They are living in the Westminster area of London.
They have children, the oldest daughter, Jane, being my ancestor.
They lived next door to Thomas Julias Pampe Blackburn and Eliza Watson (interesting that the name Watson is again here!)
Thomas is my ancestor also, but sadly had to go into the workhouse and eventually died, leaving Eliza a young widow.
Caroline died in 1869 and Thomas Blackburn died later that same year.
Both widow and widower then married in 1871.
Thomas Blackburn's son Charles married Thomas Lindsay's daughter, Jane in 1873
All very interesting.
But now I am so stuck on going backwards on Thomas Lindsay.
I have looked at the RC Oldcastle baptisms and cannot see him there, and it does not look like the protestant records are available online.
Any thoughts greatly appreciated as I feel sure that Thomas and James were brothers and that for whatever reason Thomas junior came over here, maybe following his uncles ideals, with his younger brother, so somewhere in Ireland is a Lindsay family line.
I can see there is a very big Lindsay family with both Irish and Scottish roots, but not sure if this would have anything at all to do with mine as they seem a wealthy family and mine are all simple folk.
Your wonderful thoughts anticipated! :D ;) ;)
Teresa
And the plot thickens!! Caroline and Eliza were sisters. These guys really did know each other. If they were sisters then Charles and Jane were cousins???
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morning everyone!
I have been trying to piece all we have together, but still need your expert help! :)
Thomas was born, he says, in Oldcastle, Meath , Ireland. His marriage certificate says his father was Thomas who was a Tailor, the same as Thomas, also a tailor.
In 1841 he was staying with a James Lindsley (Lindsey) and Mary who seem to be about the age his parents would be. James is also a Tailor!
So, James could possible be his Uncle?
There is a Henry, a year younger than Thomas living there, possible Thomas' younger brother?
Also, Caroline Watson, who later becomes Thomas' wife!
They are living in the Westminster area of London.
They have children, the oldest daughter, Jane, being my ancestor.
They lived next door to Thomas Julias Pampe Blackburn and Eliza Watson (interesting that the name Watson is again here!)
Thomas is my ancestor also, but sadly had to go into the workhouse and eventually died, leaving Eliza a young widow.
Caroline died in 1869 and Thomas Blackburn died later that same year.
Both widow and widower then married in 1871.
Thomas Blackburn's son Charles married Thomas Lindsay's daughter, Jane in 1873
All very interesting.
But now I am so stuck on going backwards on Thomas Lindsay.
I have looked at the RC Oldcastle baptisms and cannot see him there, and it does not look like the protestant records are available online.
Any thoughts greatly appreciated as I feel sure that Thomas and James were brothers and that for whatever reason Thomas junior came over here, maybe following his uncles ideals, with his younger brother, so somewhere in Ireland is a Lindsay family line.
I can see there is a very big Lindsay family with both Irish and Scottish roots, but not sure if this would have anything at all to do with mine as they seem a wealthy family and mine are all simple folk.
Your wonderful thoughts anticipated! :D ;) ;)
Teresa
And the plot thickens!! Caroline and Eliza were sisters. These guys really did know each other. If they were sisters then Charles and Jane were cousins???
after great puzzlement and investigation. Both Eliza Watson and Caroline Watson have fathers called Charles Watson, but they are both different people!
Still need to figure out the Ireland thing though. How on earth do I research over there? ???
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Hello everyone
I have checked the online parish records for Oldcastle and the name Lyndsay does not even seem to be connected at all to this parish. If I even just type Thomas Lyndsay in I do not get a result at all on ancestry.
I do not know how to continue this search and would appreciate any advice at all.
Teresa ::)
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The Tithe Applotment books have 2 Lindsay an Andrew and a John year 1827 in the Civil Parish of Enniskeen, (not every head of household is in the Tithe's it was farm size dependant).
The RC parish would be Kingscourt which oddly lists Enniskeen twice as its civil parishes.
One of these Enniskeen's has a townland called Newcastle, but Kingscourt records start 1838.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0934
https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish_main.php?civilparishid=1852&county=&civilparish=Enniskeen
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The Tithe Applotment books have 2 Lindsay an Andrew and a John year 1827 in the Civil Parish of Enniskeen, (not every head of household is in the Tithe's it was farm size dependant).
The RC parish would be Kingscourt which oddly lists Enniskeen twice as its civil parishes.
One of these Enniskeen's has a townland called Newcastle, but Kingscourt records start 1838.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0934
https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish_main.php?civilparishid=1852&county=&civilparish=Enniskeen
Not being great at Geography is Enniskeen near Oldcastle? Do you think that he meant Newcastle maybe? He seems to have been born between 1816 and 1822 according to census.
Thanks for you help. I am so frustrated with this. I have even tried to research the James Lindsay that he stayed with in Westminster in 1841 as he is the age approx of Thomas father and I thought if I could find his birth with a Thomas as his father and a brother called Thomas that would help me (my thomas has thomas as his father on his marriage certificates), but I can only find a James in Wicklow and there are other children and they are born to THomas and Mary Lindsay, but there is not a Thomas!!
Teresa ::)
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About 25miles by road.
I haven't seen the originals so I don't have any idea if it could be Newcastle or not. It was just the only Lind*** that came up in the Applotment books and the Newcastle/Oldcastle possibility existed so thought it was worth a look.
You have to be realistic, the records you need may not survive, getting back to the early 1800s and no further is pretty much all we expect in Ireland and many don't manage even that.
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If the family were tailors, there is possibly no Applotment record.
1851 1482/182/40
St Martin in the Fields
James Lindsay 56 yrs Tailor b Ireland
Mary Lindsay 56 yrs Tailoress b Wiltshire, Devizes
Who were the witnesses to the 1842 marriage?
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If the family were tailors, there is possibly no Applotment record.
1851 1482/182/40
St Martin in the Fields
James Lindsay 56 yrs Tailor b Ireland
Mary Lindsay 56 yrs Tailoress b Wiltshire, Devizes
Who were the witnesses to the 1842 marriage?
Thomas and Harriet Davies were the witnesses.
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Hi, I think I may have some good news for you
I was today in the RCB Library in Dublin, where many of the original Anglican Church records that survive today are kept. Only a small fraction of these records are online, so for most records it involves asking for a register for a specific parish, and turning the pages very gently.
The good news is that the Birth records for Oldcastle parish in County Meath are there. And on page 21 entry number 126 is
" (Birth) Thomas, son of Thomas and Jane Lyndsay of this parish, born 20th April 1821".
The family had further birth entries as follows
Jane born 1816
Mary born 1819
James born 1824
John born 1826
Robert born 1829
However there is an entry in the Burials section
Jane Lyndsay aged 40 died April 1832
One cannot take photos of the registers, but the Library Staff are happy to handle a request from you for Digital copies, which they will charge ten euros per copy item. Their website is
www.libraryireland.anglican.org and you can email them at library@ireland.anglican.org
There are some other Lyndsay names in the book who may or may not be related to them. I am under some time pressure now but if you are interested I will give them in another post in a few days
Hope this helps your search
Kevin (meath999)
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Hi, I think I may have some good news for you
I was today in the RCB Library in Dublin, where many of the original Anglican Church records that survive today are kept. Only a small fraction of these records are online, so for most records it involves asking for a register for a specific parish, and turning the pages very gently.
The good news is that the Birth records for Oldcastle parish in County Meath are there. And on page 21 entry number 126 is
" (Birth) Thomas, son of Thomas and Jane Lyndsay of this parish, born 20th April 1821".
The family had further birth entries as follows
Jane born 1816
Mary born 1819
James born 1824
John born 1826
Robert born 1829
However there is an entry in the Burials section
Jane Lyndsay aged 40 died April 1832
One cannot take photos of the registers, but the Library Staff are happy to handle a request from you for Digital copies, which they will charge ten euros per copy item. Their website is
www.libraryireland.anglican.org and you can email them at library@ireland.anglican.org
There are some other Lyndsay names in the book who may or may not be related to them. I am under some time pressure now but if you are interested I will give them in another post in a few days
Hope this helps your search
Kevin (meath999)
oh my goodness!! Thank you so much! This is wonderful news! If you are at all able to get any more names for me that would be so amazing. This is truly wonderful. Thank you so much.
Teresa
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Hi, I think I may have some good news for you
I was today in the RCB Library in Dublin, where many of the original Anglican Church records that survive today are kept. Only a small fraction of these records are online, so for most records it involves asking for a register for a specific parish, and turning the pages very gently.
The good news is that the Birth records for Oldcastle parish in County Meath are there. And on page 21 entry number 126 is
" (Birth) Thomas, son of Thomas and Jane Lyndsay of this parish, born 20th April 1821".
The family had further birth entries as follows
Jane born 1816
Mary born 1819
James born 1824
John born 1826
Robert born 1829
However there is an entry in the Burials section
Jane Lyndsay aged 40 died April 1832
One cannot take photos of the registers, but the Library Staff are happy to handle a request from you for Digital copies, which they will charge ten euros per copy item. Their website is
www.libraryireland.anglican.org and you can email them at library@ireland.anglican.org
There are some other Lyndsay names in the book who may or may not be related to them. I am under some time pressure now but if you are interested I will give them in another post in a few days
Hope this helps your search
Kevin (meath999)
oh my goodness!! Thank you so much! This is wonderful news! If you are at all able to get any more names for me that would be so amazing. This is truly wonderful. Thank you so much.
Teresa
P. S Thomas was living with a James Lindsay in London in 1841 who also says he is from Ireland. He is 45 so could be an uncle?
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Hi,
Apologies but in my earlier post I left a dot out of the name of the website of the RCB Library in Dublin. It should have read www.library.ireland.anglican.org
As to Other Lyndsays in the Oldcastle Register, can I observe that different scribes seem to use different spellings for the same family, so "Lyndsay" , "Lindsay" , "Lynsey" all appear.
There are two entries in the burial section for -
Cath. Lyndsay wife of W??????? aged 79 died Jan 1822
then later
Whitehand Lyndsay aged 80 died 1823
There are Birth entries for two children of David and Frances Lyndsay
Frances a daughter b Jan 11 1816
and Charles a son b Jan 13th 1819
There is a baptism entry for William Lyndsay Jan 29 1814 with no parents listed.
I will try and type all these up again in table form to make them more readable.
Lastly there is nothing in the register to show whether your James is an Uncle or not.
Cheers
Kevin (Meath999)
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Hi,
Apologies but in my earlier post I left a dot out of the name of the website of the RCB Library in Dublin. It should have read www.library.ireland.anglican.org
As to Other Lyndsays in the Oldcastle Register, can I observe that different scribes seem to use different spellings for the same family, so "Lyndsay" , "Lindsay" , "Lynsey" all appear.
There are two entries in the burial section for -
Cath. Lyndsay wife of W??????? aged 79 died Jan 1822
then later
Whitehand Lyndsay aged 80 died 1823
There are Birth entries for two children of David and Frances Lyndsay
Frances a daughter b Jan 11 1816
and Charles a son b Jan 13th 1819
There is a baptism entry for William Lyndsay Jan 29 1814 with no parents listed.
I will try and type all these up again in table form to make them more readable.
Lastly there is nothing in the register to show whether your James is an Uncle or not.
Cheers
Kevin (Meath999)
Thank you so much for your help. The lack of names could mean they lived somewhere else do you think, or were they Catholic?
How can I locate James and see if he fits in? I know there is a James in Wicklow around the right time. Is that anywhere near and of any use do you think?
Teresa
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Hi again,
To answer your questions,
(1) these registers I am looking at for Oldcastle are for the Church of Ireland i.e. Protestant, and it would be most unusual at that time for Catholics to be baptised in a protestant church, especially as in Oldcastle at that time 1820 there was also a catholic church.
(2) Also you asked about Wicklow , well in the late 1700s early 1800s lots of Ireland was a war zone, with Wicklow and Wexford at the centre and movement to them would be unlikely.
But, the records in Oldcastle only begin in 1814 so the James , a tailor living in UK aged 45 in 1841 census could well have been born in Oldcastle , as he would be in the earlier registers which unfortunately no longer exist.
Lastly I am interested in whether Whiteland Lyndsay and his wife Catherine who are buried in Oldcastle could possibly be parents of Thomas ?? Its such an unusual firstname that it might be worth searching widely for it??
But you really are getting to the limits of all existing Irish records.
Cheers
Kevin (meath999)