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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: geckogirl on Sunday 10 July 16 07:33 BST (UK)
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I have decided not to renew my subs. to Ancestry & Find my Past as my research is about 99% complete. However, a couple of mysteries still remain.
Dec. 25th 1836 Charles Foreman was baptised at Warminster. The record is as follows :
Mother Mary Foreman.
FHL 1279363.
Reg. ID item 21, p 103. What I want to know is there any way of viewing this record ? I tried the Wiltshire OPCs with no result.
A little background, his mother was married to John Foreman who died in 1834, so who was Charles father ? Mary remarried an Isaac Brown, sadly she & Isaac died in the workhouse around 1855/6.
Despite a lot of research, Charles did not marry the obvious records, no death has been recorded. I have marriage & death certificates, quite a few in fact but not the right Charles.
I would just like to know if the baptismal record would give any extra information how would i be able to view it ?
Thank you.
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The Wiltshire PR's will be at the Wiltshire & Swindon History Centre. http://www.wshc.eu/
Staff there will undertake research on your behalf.
See: http://www.wshc.eu/enquiries-and-research.html
Alternatively, can you not order the film through your local LDS Family History Centre?
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Thank you I will take a look at the site you suggested.
I dont think we have a LDS Family History Centre here in Australia.
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On Find My Past the transcription record shows Charles baptised on 25th December 1836 which you already know.
Baptised at St. Denys Church, Warminster. Mother is just decribed as Mary and residence as Scotland which I thought was somewhat surprising.
No father's name mentioned at all. Whether the original will show any further information I couldn't say.
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Did you check out the death of a Charles Foreman in 1842?
Deaths Dec 1842
FOREMAN Charles Warminster 8 300
No age given but it is Warminster where he was baptised.
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Just for information on locations of LDS family history centres in Australia though they are probably too far away for you.
https://familysearch.org/locations/
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I have no idea why the word Scotland is there. yes I have death certificates. Charles was still alive in the 1851 census, living with Isaac.
My thoughts were as the child was baptised in the church, the word 'illegitimate' might have been beside his name.
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There is an address in Horningsham near Warminster - Scotland!
Postcode is BA12 7NH
Horningsham parish was a part of the Warminster Registration District.
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Well that is interesting ! Thank you for that.
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Have found 2 Family Search Centres just a couple of suburbs away !
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Often an illegitimate child or a stepson adopted the surname of their stepfather. I note that on the 1851 census he is clearly stated as son of Mary and recorded with Foreman surname, so I doubt Isaac Brown is his father and possibly less likely to use the Brown surname in later life.
I have a family who vanished after the 1851 census - I found the sons by first marriage in USA and second wife and her children in Canada. Have you checked whether he turns up on any censuses abroad?
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I don't think Isaac is the father either. I do not have worldwide access to the census. Although there were a couple of Charles Foreman's in the immigration departure dates the ages were not right.
I thought he may have gone to London to be near his sister but those records too did not match. It is as if he fell off the radar.
Thank you.
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Expect you will have investigated the village of Horningsham,by now.But, would just mention that its part of the Longleat House estate,hundreds of farm labourers and an enormous list of servants of every description kept it all going in your time frame 1830s/1860s.
Have had a search but date of births vary a lot,but would imagine Mary would have had some sort of sponsor to baptise her bastard child at St Denys Church which is right in Warminster.
However there is one Charles Foreman who married Julia Mary Churchill 1867 Warminster,her father Cornelius Churchill was publican of New Inn Boyton 1861. Needs looking at.
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Expect you will have investigated the village of Horningsham,by now.But, would just mention that its part of the Longleat House estate,hundreds of farm labourers and an enormous list of servants of every description kept it all going in your time frame 1830s/1860s.
Have had a search but date of births vary a lot,but would imagine Mary would have had some sort of sponsor to baptise her bastard child at St Denys Church which is right in Warminster.
However there is one Charles Foreman who married Julia Mary Churchill 1867 Warminster,her father Cornelius Churchill was publican of New Inn Boyton 1861. Needs looking at.
In 1871 Charles and Julia are in Salisbury, Charles age 28 b Warminster occ National Schoolmaster.
So unless he lied massively about his age, he isn't the right one.
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As his sister was in London,this one may be of interest. Farnham registration district
1871 Census has this soldier.
Charles Foreman unmarried age 36 stationed at Aldershot Hampshire
Number 819,3rd Dragoon Guards. Corporal. born London Middlesex
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That is an interesting entry. I am not able to follow that up.
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I just want to let other searchers who live in Australia that you cannot view the family search microfilms at any family Search Centre in Australia. I am not sure though whether that applies to the London Family Search Centre. They send the films to the library on loan & you have 3 months in which to view it.
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I just want to let other searchers who live in Australia that you cannot view the family search microfilms at any family Search Centre in Australia. I am not sure though whether that applies to the London Family Search Centre. They send the films to the library on loan & you have 3 months in which to view it.
I believe that in most instances you have to order in films/fiche to your local LDS centre at a charge. The one I used to visit in the late 1990's held quite a few records in the centre but they were mainly ones that had been ordered in by patrons some years before and were retained by the centre and not just on loan as they were when I went. I can't comment on the records held by them at Kew.
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That is interesting, I quite expected to have to pay for the record. Would have been happy to do so.
According to F/S I just had to quote the film number & it would be sent direct to one of their centres.
Could be that things have changed after so many years, especially as the Internet has so many resources available.
I wonder what records the National Archives hold now in relation to the LDS films ?
Might look in to that.
There used to be a Vital Records disc you could purchase, not compatible for all computors.
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I have the Warminster PR's on fiche,will fire up the viewer after brekky..
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Not much help
Bap 25 Dec
Charles
Mother Mary
Surname Foreman
Abode Scotland
Occupation Blank
Service performed by William Dalby
For future reference you can order LDS Films online and have them shipped to your nearest library,cost $9 from memory.
Eric
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That is a shame, there is not more information. However I very much appreciate you looking for me. Thank you.
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Did your guy go to the United States.Found this possible scenario.
Charles Foreman emigration 1865,
variations of spelling.Chas R. and Charles.
US Census, 1870,1880.and 1910 found Family Search [may be more].
Miner in Colorado.
Birth England 1836/7
Have not been able to be more specific as to where in England,but perhaps a marriage record may have it.
Wife Kerturah /Katherine various spellings born Wiscontin
4 children 1880 census.one daughter Mildred L Foreman 1910 with parents father Charles age 74,born England,stone mason,
mother Katherine age 68.at Alma Park Colorado. Hope this helps Brionne.