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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Cumbey on Thursday 07 July 16 12:15 BST (UK)
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I'm puzzled ... as usual. I'm looking at my wife's forebears; Knighton is one of them. In the 1861 census, John Knighton is living at Eliot Bank, Sydenham Hill with his wife and family:
John Knighton 58
Anne Sarah Knighton 45
Jno Wm Knighton 19
Mary Ann Knighton 8
Cecilia Knighton 4
Yesterday I came across this:
Name: Mary Ann Knighton
Record Type: Burial
Age: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Death Date: abt 1870
Burial Date: 11 Apr 1870
Burial Place: Christ Church with St Paul, Forest Hill, England
Parish or Poor Law Union: Christ Church with St Paul, Forest Hill
Borough: Lewisham
Register Type: Parish Register
Her abode is given as Eliot Bank, Sydenham. I find it hard to believe that she is not related somehow - but I can't find any Mary Ann Knightons of her age. I'd be grateful if anyone could shed light on my bafflement.
Thanks,
Sid
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I should add that this Mary Ann is buried in the same cemetery as John Knighton (1802-1869).
Sid
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Who was John Knighton's father? There is a Mary Ann Knighton, daughter of Giles and Elizabeth Knighton in the 1851 and 1861 census living in Westminster. I can't see her in 1871.
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1841 St Martin in The Fields
Giles Knighton 55 Tailor
Eliza Knighton 55
Mary Ann Knighton 25
John Knighton 15
George Ana Knighton 14
Mary Ann Mann 6
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John Knighton married his second wife, Anne Sarah Hart, 30 Mar 1850, St Andrew, Holborn; the marriage record has his father as William Knighton - I haven't found any other reference to him.
Thank you,
Sid
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Seems strange that on the 1851 and 1861 John doesn't seem to know where he was born, just says England.
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Indeed ... I have found the Knightons to be v secretive about their roots and their comings and goings.
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1871 siblings all seem to be living together in Lambeth , John's wife shown as Eliza aged 36 together with Mary A 18 Minnie 14, I believe she is Sarah Cecilia
1881 3 Knighton females in one family as servants
Sarah Cecilia(prev as Cecilia) 24
Marianne 28
Charlotte 18
Louisa Maud
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You can see (I think) what I've found on Ancestry - family tree Poulton II. And yes, what you say is right. (Being baptised Sarah Cecilia and calling yourself Minnie is to be discouraged, I'd say.)
Sid
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It might be worth getting Mary Ann's death certificate as the informant could give you a clue. As you say, a bit of a coincidence if there is no relationship, given she was living in the same place and with a fairly unusual surname.
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I had just come to that conclusion myself - I'll let you know in due course. I'm wondering if JK's second wife died (no record of that, yet) and he remarried a Mary Ann ...
As you say, living in the same house (if you look on Google street view, there's only one Victorian cottage in Eliot Bank), and then being buried in the same cemetery ... a bit of a coincidence!
Thanks for your help,
Sid
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I have been looking at Giles Knighton born circa 1785, he had a daughter born about 1816, it is possible this could be the Mary Ann you are looking for, could she be a sister to John or an aunt
Just a thought
LM
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I have been looking at Giles Knighton born circa 1785, he had a daughter born about 1816, it is possible this could be the Mary Ann you are looking for, could she be a sister to John or an aunt
Just a thought
LM
Isn't that the one I gave the links to earlier in the 1841 census where she is shown with a brother, John? The problem is that according to his marriage certificate he says his father was William.
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Yes Groom although I am not entirely convinced, Giles died in 1865
I looked at 1861 with Giles and family, there are some familiar names with earlier baptisms and
census
I wonder where John's wife Ann is buried?
LM
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"I wonder where John's wife Ann is buried?"
I have no idea even when she died ...
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Could this be her baptism (father on the marriage was James Hart)
Ann Sarah Hart
bap 8 May 1814, St Luke Chelsea
parents James + Mary Ann
born 23 Dec 1813
Were John and Ann already together in Chelsea in 1841?
Mary Ann Knighton was 56 years old on her death in 1870. Which is a match on age for the Ann Sarah Hart from Chelsea.
Could Ann Sarah and Mary Ann be the same person? Perhaps some monumental piece of misinformation from someone giving the info?
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That is John K's second wife - and yes, they were together in 1841 (John William Knighton was born in 1840).
But she is Anne in the 1851 census and Anne Sarah in 1861, and on her marriage certificate ... having said which, this family does have a tendency to change their names quite a lot.
I've ordered her death certificate ... which may (or may not) help.
Sid
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Hi Sid
Let us know how you get on with the cert, should reveal something, pity they changed their names to suit the occasion
Happy hunting
Louisa Maud
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Death cert:
Sixth April 1870, Eliot Cottage, Eliot Bank, Sydenham
Mary Ann Knighton
Female
56 years
Widow of John Knighton, a designer
Chronic bronchitis
Informant: John Knighton
Hmm.