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Is there any information please on my grandad?
26238 Private J Crompton 20th Bn Manchester Regiment.
He died in service on 03 September 1916 I will be most grateful for any information
Thank You TSB
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Do you know where and when he was born?
Carol
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His entry on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website (cwgc.org) says:
Private, 26238, Private James Crompton
Died 3rd September 1916, age 31 (so born c1885)
Commemorated at Serre Road Cemetery No 2
Husband of Sarah Ann Crompton, of 4, Catherine St., Manchester.
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Ancestry is free at the moment - I think. There is certainly an entry for him under Soldiers' Effects
James Crompton - leaves a widow, Sarah.
His medal card shows that he received the Victory and British medals
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Bumble B thank you for the information could I ask you what it say's in Soldiers Effects
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I would like to say a big thank you to
Bumble B
K Garrad
Treetotal For your in put thank you once again
TSB
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Not a lot really: Record No: 513972. Registry No: 402963. James Crompton with his service number - 20th Battalion Manchester Regiment. Died 3.9.1916 in France. Credits to Sarah £2.14.6. and £3.10.0.
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TSB,
A little more information regarding James Crompton from The National Roll of The Great War :-
"CROMPTON, J., PRIVATE, 20TH MANCHESTER REGT.
He volunteered in 1915, and later in the same year was drafted to the Western Front where he saw much severe fighting at St Eloi , Ypres, Festubert, Hill 60, Albert, Armentieres, Arras and Vimy Ridge. He made the ultimate sacrifice during the Somme offensive in July 1916 and was entitled to the 1914-15 star, general service victory medals.
4 Catherine St, Manchester."
This throws up a couple of discrepancies.
The date of death you have varies from this account though I would be more inclined to believe the one you state.
As BumbleB correctly states, his medal roll index card shows an entitlement to the General Service Medal and Victory Medal but no mention of the 14-15 star. The 20th Manchesters (5th Manchester Pals) first embarked for France via Folkestone on the 9th November 1915 which would have entitled him to the Star. The only thing that immediately springs to mind is that perhaps he was injured during training or sick on the date of departure and only re-joined his Battalion in France after the 14-15 Star qualification date of 31st December 1915. The medical pages of his service record would have confirmed or dispelled this theory but I can't find his record so I assume his was one of the many destroyed during the Blitz.
If you wish to research deeper the Manchester Regiment Archive is held at Tameside Local Studies Library and the Regimental Museum is also in Ashton under Lyne. I can thoroughly recommend Michael Stedmans well researched book "The Manchester Pals" which includes details of the 20ths exploits from their very beginning in 1914 and will furnish you with details of where he would have engaged in battle. The 20ths war diary would give you a more day to day account of his service and though it is unlikely to mention him by name it would indicate where he was killed. The diary is available to download from The National Archive for about £3.50.
There is a specific website for The Manchesters and there are many helpful experts who I'm sure would be happy to help you.
Hope the above is of use to you and good luck with your search
Regards
Simon
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Possibly, there is a 2nd Medal Index Card?
I have seen this before - Star on 1 card, other medals on the other.
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KGarrad,
I must admit that I hadn't thought of that even though I've come across the situation before! After another check I can't see a 2nd index card though it's certainly not impossible I've completely missed it.
Regards
Simon
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I just checked also, and cannot find a second medal card, I wasn't aware that the medals could be on 2 medal index cards for the usual 3 WWI medals, although I did know you got a second card for a gallantry award.
You learn something every day :)
Frank.
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If there are 2 cards it's usually a bureaucratic slip! ;D
Or the soldier has been indexed with variations of his name?
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Frank,
I've only ever looked into one soldier who received a gallantry medal, my wife's grandad CSM J.B.Hill DCM and his service medals are on the same card as his DCM so thank you for highlighting the possibility of two cards which I'll bare in mind in future
Regards
Simon
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The Medal Index Cards are what it says on the box i.e. an Index to the Rolls etc.
As Ken says there are some occasions where there are two cards. If there were two cards for this man i.e one for the 'pair' and one for the 15 Star with the latter being 'missing' then shouldn't we expect to see him in the 1915 Rolls? I can't see him there.
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Mancpal thank you for your input about my grandad I will follow up your advice
and go to theRegimental Museum in Ashton Under Lyne .
Once again thank you'
Brian
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Brian,
Please make sure the Museum is open before you visit as the connected building is being demolished. The Mcrs Archive is at the Ashton library but not open everyday. If I'm repeating myself I apologise, just returned from the pub,
Regards
Simon
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Mancpal Thank you for the info .
Brian