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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: Fogmoose on Sunday 03 July 16 07:14 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone! I just wanted to let everyone know that I currently have the microfilm with Births, Baptisms, Marriages and Deaths and burials from St. Pauls in Aberdeen covering the years 1720 to 1865, on loan from LDS at my local library. I have it for 3 or 4 more weeks so if anyone has anything they might need me to look up just let me know and ill try and get to it for you. I am almost half way through, working backwards from latest to earliest. Already found 4 or 5 new family members and at least one was NOT in the OPR on Scotland's People, so its far from perfect! Happy Summer to all and Happy Independence to all my fellow 'muricans!
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What denomination is St Paul's?
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Episcopal.
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Thanks, GR2.
That would explain why some of the information is missing from Scotland's People, which has only the Church of Scotland and the Roman Catholic registers. Episcopal registers are not easy to find because they have not been collected into one place.
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Sorry, I should have provided a little more info in my original post. Here it is:
Following the definitive establishment, in 1690, of Presbyterian government for the Kirk of Scotland, those members of the Kirk who preferred Episcopacy ( a substantial minority in Aberdeen and the Northeast) entered a period of persecution. The passing of the "Toleration act" in 1711 eventually provided a framework within which Episcopal congregations could legally function, and St. Paul's Episcopal Chapel, Aberdeen, was founded in 1720. A chapel was erected in the "backlands" between the Gallowgate and The Loch in 1722, and was later replaced by a larger church accessed from Loch Street. It was a collegiate church until 1853. St Paul's was perhaps the wealthiest Episcopal congregation in Scotland. Regular attendance was between 3000 and 4000 persons, excluding children. They mostly came from Aberdeen and outlying areas. The Church was demolished in 1986 to make way for a "Temple of Mammon" in the form of a shopping mall.
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Thank you, Fogmoose, that is very interesting.
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Thanks, GR2.
That would explain why some of the information is missing from Scotland's People, which has only the Church of Scotland and the Roman Catholic registers. Episcopal registers are not easy to find because they have not been collected into one place.
I didn't realize that. Though, they had most of the stuff I have found on SP...so its probably hit and miss. By the way, saw quite a few Dallas and Cruickshanks in there ;-)
I didn't even realize Dallas was a Scottish surname. Ironic since my closest Scottish relative settled there (Dallas, TX) when he left New York in the Mid-fifties and has been thereabouts ever since.
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I didn't realize that. Though, they had most of the stuff I have found on SP...so its probably hit and miss.
Theoretically the Church of Scotland was supposed to keep a record of all births and marriages in its parish, so sometimes you get duplicate entries in the C of S' and another denomination's registers, but quite often (probably more often!) it didn't happen, for a variety of reasons.
By the way, saw quite a few Dallas and Cruickshanks in there ;-)
Some of them could be mine, but my Cruickshanks were all from Rothes and it's a very common surname in Aberdeenshire. My Dallases were from Botriphnie in Banffshire.
I didn't even realize Dallas was a Scottish surname.
Yes. It derives from the barony of Dallas in Moray. The Texan city was named after someone of the name who arrived in Texas via the West Indies if I recall correctly. The inhabitants of the village of Dallas in Moray get a bit fed up with people making comparisons between their village and its namesake. They get media folk from time to time who have the bright idea of taking someone from Dallas, Texas to Dallas, Moray and poking fun at it, which has all the appeal of a lead balloon for those who live there.
There are various explanations of the origin of the name Dallas. One suggests that it is from the Gaelic for 'little hollow'. Another suggests a hybrid of the Norse 'dale' and the Gaelic 'ess' which means waterfall. Yet another says it is Pictish and means 'the place on the plain'.
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Very interesting Forfarian. I can assure you that I'd rather be in Moray than Texas myself ;-)
Actually I should be honest, I enjoyed my visit to family in Texas very much and the people were very nice. But it does seem they have a very high opinion of themselves. And also a few more Bush's than I'd prefer...and not the landscape kind!
Off to the library now for more film study!
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Very interesting Forfarian. I can assure you that I'd rather be in Moray than Texas myself ;-)
Some photos for you to admire
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ1252
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ1251
a few more Bush's than I'd prefer...and not the landscape kind!
At the risk of incurring the wrath of the moderators, I'd find a bit of vegetation preferable to a certain kind of playing card.
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Fogmoose, if your offer still stands, could you please check for Isabella Calder M(a)cIntosh, daughter of Joseph M(a)cIntosh, candlemaker, and Catherine Calder? The census says that Isabella was born in Aberdeen and her age suggests she was born around 1845/6. Two of her younger siblings were born in Inverurie and baptised in St Mary's Episcopal there, so there is an Episcopal connection.
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Of course, will let you know if I find anything.
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Thank you.
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No M(a)cintosh's, checked from 1842-1848. Let me know if you need anything else.
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Thank you for looking. Can't think of any more offhand, though I know I have quite a few born in Aberdeen for whom I have no baptism.
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Well I'll be at it for a few more weeks, so if anything comes to mind let me know. Some of the older pages are really a mess...and I don't just mean from the effects of time! I swear sometimes they tried to crowd every baptism and marriage on one page! I know paper and writing materials were a luxury in 1740 but I mean really! And the handwriting...yuchhh. I've attached an example for slits and giggles. I suppose these were microfilmed by LDS during the 60's and 70s....I wonder that some of them even exist anymore. Though i must say they are in MUCH better shape then some of the Italian records from the same era I've seen.....I suppose its the climate!
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Wow, some of that is indecipherable!
If you happen to come accross any Grothenwells, few variations transcribed in there - I know they were Episcopalians.
Thanks,
Grothenwell
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Can't recall seeing any yet but i'll keep an eye out. I see you have Adam and Davidson in your tree. I do also. In fact, I have a couple of Adams married to Davidsons. 1778 Old Machar, George Adam married Ann Davidson. George was a shoemaker, like his older brother Alexander. I also have George's nephew (Alexanders son with wife Mary Thain) Robert Adam married to another Ann Davidson about 20 years later.
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Thank you,
My Davidson is from Daviot. I have Adam in three separate lines, unfortunately not researched in a great way from Kintore, Keithhall and Kemnay - all the Ks 😀
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Most of the BMD Data from St. Paul's is also available in the New Spalding Club book: "The Miscellany of the New Spalding Club, Vol. II", at archive.org (https://archive.org/stream/miscellanynewsp00smitgoog#page/n97/mode/1up). I have a index of the entries and a copy of the film if anyone is interested PM me.
Cheers,
Bruce
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gordonbb
For the last week, I've been trying to find out where these baptism registers are (St Pauls Episcopal Aberdeen)
I'm particularly looking for the baptism of William EDWARDS who sometimes used either Philip or Simpson as a middle name. Born about 1824 possibly in the Old Machar area.
Can you help?
Gen in NBL UK
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gordonbb
For the last week, I've been trying to find out where these baptism registers are (St Pauls Episcopal Aberdeen)
I'm particularly looking for the baptism of William EDWARDS who sometimes used either Philip or Simpson as a middle name. Born about 1824 possibly in the Old Machar area.
Can you help?
Gen in NBL UK
I don't have an index for those years. If memory serves the originals are with the Scottish Episcopal Church at Edinburgh.
Here are my notes when I viewed the film in 2011:
Accessed March 25, 2011 at Ottawa Stake Family History Centre
Film By:
Microfilm Records (Aberdeen) Ltd.
28 Guild St.
Aberdeen, Scot.
Film 241993
Ref. ECP869
Date: 16.1.61
Title:
Register of Births, Marriages & Deaths 1720 - 1865
Episc. Ch. of St. Paul's Abdn.
Ch. of Jesus Christ & Latt. Day Saints
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
Microfilm Records | Abredeen | Ltd
28 Guild Street Abredeen 50500
Start
Register of Baptisms
St. Paul's Aberdeen
1720 - 1804
Trinity Chapel Baptisms & Marriages
25 Nov 1770 - 1802
Register of Baptisims
St. Paul's Aberdeen
1752 - 1767
Register of Marriages
St. Paul's Aberdeen
Aug 4 1752 - ?
Register of Baptisims
St. Paul's Aberdeen
1767 - 1791
Register of Baptisims
St. Paul's Aberdeen
1791 - 1827
Register of Baptisims
St. Paul's Aberdeen
1828 - 1841
Register of Baptisims
St. Paul's Aberdeen
1836 - 1838
Register of Baptisims
St. Paul's Aberdeen
1842 - 28 Dec 1869
Register of Funerals
of St. Paul's Chapel Aberdeen
from Jun 1842 to Dec 1865
1822
No. 176.
Edwards
David Edwards, Baker and his spouse Catherine Munro had a daug. named Darina born 8th Baptizd. 29th Nov. by Rev. J. Cordimer
1823
No. 54
Edward
William Edward, Farm Servant, & Jane Hay had a son named William born 12 Mar baptizd. 30 Ap. by Rev. J. Cordiner
I've sent you a PM
Cheers,
Bruce
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gordonbb
Great news! Thank you for your help. Now why didn't I think of looking in Ottawa for Scottish records:-)
I'll PM you
Thank you again
Gen in NBL UK
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gordonbb
Great news! Thank you for your help. Now why didn't I think of looking in Ottawa for Scottish records:-)
I'll PM you
Thank you again
Gen in NBL UK
LOL - I had to order the microfilm in from Salt Lake City and wait 8 weeks for that one. I'm glad I copied so much data off it given the lack of Inter-Library loan for films now.
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Our "local" LDS centre is an 80 mile round trip so I never go there. At the Northumberland Archives, a member of the LDS church has spent years scanning/digitising records. Hopefully, they will all appear in the Search Room someday.
As far as I know, all films have been withdrawn from UK LDS Centres and they are now using more modern methods. Maybe they keep the films already ordered in.
Gen in NBL UK