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Title: Mary Barnes 1861 Southwark
Post by: ladyynara on Thursday 30 June 16 20:52 BST (UK)
Hit a bit of a brick wall.  Looking for a Mary Barnes (possibly Mary Ann Barnes) born in Southwark 1861. Married a Henry John Saunders (sometimes listed as Harry) and had children Mary Ann, Ernest, Eliza, Ellen, Rebecca and May.  By 1911 only Mary, Rebecca (my great grandmother) and May are listed.  The census is a complete mess so to be honest I'm not sure if Mary was quite all there it's that bad.  I've really not found any evidence of her birth or parents yet, which is what I'm after. I'm only about 85% sure her name was Barnes as I haven't yet got Rebecca's birth certificate to confirm. 1891 and 1901 they are in Southwark, 1911 they are in Bermondsey. 
Title: Re: Mary Barnes 1861 Southwark
Post by: dawnsh on Thursday 30 June 16 21:06 BST (UK)
Have you got the marriage cert which should name her father and give his occupation?
Title: Re: Mary Barnes 1861 Southwark
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 30 June 16 22:09 BST (UK)
Hi the only marriage which depicts a Henry John Saunders and a Barnes, was 25th December 1880 All Souls, Newington Mary Ann Caroline Barnes Father George occ Cooper, witnesses George Barnes Luece? Barnes
Keyboard86

EDIT if you have not purchased one of the children's birth certificates, then how/where does the Barnes surname come from?
Title: Re: Mary Barnes 1861 Southwark
Post by: isobelw on Thursday 30 June 16 22:27 BST (UK)
Freebmd has a Mary Ann Caroline Barnes born in St Georges Southwark in 1858.
Isobel
Title: Re: Mary Barnes 1861 Southwark
Post by: isobelw on Thursday 30 June 16 22:48 BST (UK)
Family are in Southwark in 1861. She is listed as Mary A K Barnes age 3. Father George Barnes, Cooper age 27 born ? . Mother Jane age 26 born Lambeth.
Isobel
Title: Re: Mary Barnes 1861 Southwark
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 30 June 16 22:52 BST (UK)
Despite the intiail this is likely to be her. Address 9 Ann[?] PLace, Southwark St George

George Barnes    27 - Cooper b Marylebone
Jane Barnes    26 - b Lambeth
George Barnes    6 -b St George
Mary A K Barnes    3 - b St George
Alfred J Barnes    1 -b St George
James Collings    69 - wife's mother, shoemaker, b St George

RG 9, 330, 93, 25

1871 - 38 Francis Place, Southwark

George Barnes    37 - cooper
Jane Barnes    35 - needlewoman
George Barnes    16 - perfumer
Mary Ann Barnes    13 - scholar
Elizabeth Barnes    9  - scholar
Ada Barnes    6  - scholar
Jesse Barnes    4  - scholar

RG10, 604, 65, 20

Title: Re: Mary Barnes 1861 Southwark
Post by: isobelw on Thursday 30 June 16 23:12 BST (UK)
Ancestry have the marriage in 1854 in St Pauls, Deptford of George Barnes, Cooper, son of John Barnes, Cooper to Jane Collins daughter of James Collins, Bootmaker. Jane's father is with the family in 1861 ( listed as James Collings).
Isobel
Title: Re: Mary Barnes 1861 Southwark
Post by: suzard on Thursday 30 June 16 23:34 BST (UK)
Quote from: keyboard86 on Thursday 30 June 16 22:09 BST (UK)
Hi the only marriage which depicts a Henry John Saunders and a Barnes, was 25th December 1880 All Souls, Newington Mary Ann Caroline Barnes Father George occ Cooper, witnesses George Barnes Luece? Barnes
Keyboard86

could the second witness be Lizzie Barnes?

Suz
Title: Re: Mary Barnes 1861 Southwark
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 30 June 16 23:41 BST (UK)
Quote from: suzard on Thursday 30 June 16 23:34 BST (UK)
Quote from: keyboard86 on Thursday 30 June 16 22:09 BST (UK)
Hi the only marriage which depicts a Henry John Saunders and a Barnes, was 25th December 1880 All Souls, Newington Mary Ann Caroline Barnes Father George occ Cooper, witnesses George Barnes Luece? Barnes
Keyboard86

could the second witness be Lizzie Barnes?

Suz

 ;D Wondered what those "squiggly bits" were under Luece!
Keyboard86