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Title: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Miriam_90 on Tuesday 28 June 16 08:03 BST (UK)
14 Charlotte Street is rather key to my family. Three generations lived in the same room, including my grandfather who was born in that room. So I was wondering if anybody would have any pictures of that street (not to confused with Charlotte Place). I've seen an image of Kavanaghs hairdressers from when the street was demolished in the 90's but I'd be specifically interested in images of the houses. Any help would be really appreciated!
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Mowsehowse on Tuesday 28 June 16 10:51 BST (UK)
Hi Miriam...
Did you realise there is a Dublin page??  ;)

You might, perhaps, get better help if you post your request there too?
Good luck.
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: pet50ite on Tuesday 28 June 16 11:23 BST (UK)
Hi Miriam,
 I would think you've probably already seen these but here's a link to the NLI photo section with pictures of Charlotte street http://catalogue.nli.ie/Search/Results?lookfor=charlotte+street+dublin&type=AllFields&filter%5B%5D=format%3A%22Photo%22&filter%5B%5D=digitised%3A%22Digitised%22
Pet50ite
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: cashel on Tuesday 15 November 16 07:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Miriam

I found a photo from about 1910 at http://www.emerald-isle-gifts.com/vintage-irish-town-prints/dublin-city-center-vintage-photographs/charlotte-st---dublin-city.asp

I'm interested because my grandmother lived at 16 Charlotte Street in 1901. Sadly there's no trace of it any more as far as I'm aware.

Charlie
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Celticcrafter on Thursday 23 February 17 14:52 GMT (UK)
Hi Miriam,

I was looking for photos of 14 Charlotte Street when I came across your post.  My Uncles family lived at number 14 from about 1900 to 1914.  There names where John and Bridget Hayes they had a huge family.  You don't mention a name so I was wondering if we were related.

CC
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Miriam_90 on Friday 24 February 17 08:47 GMT (UK)
Hi CC,

The family would have been John Evans and Esther (nee Tucker) Evans. They would have lived there around 1917 but I'm told by my grandfather that a lot of the people in that house were related. I'll have to pass the details onto him. We could be long lost cousins! Haha.
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: rathmore on Friday 24 February 17 12:17 GMT (UK)
photo of Charlotte street on this site

http://www.historicalpicturearchive.com

then on the right hand side of screen click on Dublin a list of streets will come up.

1911 on census could no find no. 14 starts at 14.1. when three sister were living there the Dunne's
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: rathmore on Friday 24 February 17 12:18 GMT (UK)
sorry you have to click on Pictures then ireland first top of screen.
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: rathmore on Friday 24 February 17 12:25 GMT (UK)
the Hayes family lived at number 14.2 and 14.3 Charlotte street

Charlotte street comes under Fitzwilliam

census

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Miriam_90 on Friday 24 February 17 13:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Rathmore, it was a tenement house so 14.1, 14.2 etc would have been each room in the house. I'm not sure which room my family were in but the picture gives a good sense of the street. It was demolished long before I would've been able to see it myself.
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: dathai on Friday 24 February 17 14:00 GMT (UK)
This tells you which room they occupied
http://databases.dublincity.ie/burgesses/browse_years.php
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Celticcrafter on Friday 24 February 17 14:48 GMT (UK)
Hi CC,

The family would have been John Evans and Esther (nee Tucker) Evans. They would have lived there around 1917 but I'm told by my grandfather that a lot of the people in that house were related. I'll have to pass the details onto him. We could be long lost cousins! Haha.

That would be awesome M.

CC
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Celticcrafter on Friday 24 February 17 14:53 GMT (UK)
photo of Charlotte street on this site

http://www.historicalpicturearchive.com

then on the right hand side of screen click on Dublin a list of streets will come up.

1911 on census could no find no. 14 starts at 14.1. when three sister were living there the Dunne's

Thank you R, my Great aunt was a Dunne.  I will have a look at this census.  I only have one sister for Bridget so I maybe able to add to the family.

CC
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Celticcrafter on Friday 24 February 17 14:57 GMT (UK)
This tells you which room they occupied
http://databases.dublincity.ie/burgesses/browse_years.php

Thank you D as usual you all come up with something I haven't thought of.  Do you know what happened to the rest of the voter registers. I seem to remember a 37-38 register and they were great but, they seem to have taken them down. 

CC
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Sinann on Friday 24 February 17 15:03 GMT (UK)
This tells you which room they occupied
http://databases.dublincity.ie/burgesses/browse_years.php

Thank you D as usual you all come up with something I haven't thought of.  Do you know what happened to the rest of the voter registers. I seem to remember a 37-38 register and they were great but, they seem to have taken them down. 

CC
Data protection gone mad.
http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2016/08/data-protection-concerns-force-dublin.html
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Celticcrafter on Friday 24 February 17 20:05 GMT (UK)
well how ridiculous is that.  I had actually gotten quite a bit of information of those registers when they were available. 

CC 
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: rathmore on Saturday 25 February 17 11:59 GMT (UK)
Have you look at the census I have given you it lists who lived in the rooms, of course if you were out at the time of the census people calling you would not be put on the list.

It also tells you want they did for a living and were they were born.

Have you tried the Library in dublin or the local council?

I don't think any census in 1921 because of the troubles.
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Celticcrafter on Saturday 25 February 17 14:30 GMT (UK)
Have you look at the census I have given you it lists who lived in the rooms, of course if you were out at the time of the census people calling you would not be put on the list.

It also tells you want they did for a living and were they were born.

Have you tried the Library in dublin or the local council?

I don't think any census in 1921 because of the troubles.

Hi R,
I am familiar with the Censuses.  I don't know about the 1921 census. I do know that a lot of records where lost during the Civil war.  If there is any of the 1921 census left it probably would not be made available until 2021.
I live in the states so I can only get to the library when I am home on holiday.  Thank you for the tips though.  I always appreciated the help.

CC
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 25 February 17 15:30 GMT (UK)
No census was taken in 1921, because of the War of Independence.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/help/history.html
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Celticcrafter on Saturday 25 February 17 18:35 GMT (UK)
No census was taken in 1921, because of the War of Independence.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/help/history.html

Thank you I now remember reading this a long time ago.
CC
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Miriam_90 on Monday 30 July 18 13:50 BST (UK)
Hi Miriam,

I was looking for photos of 14 Charlotte Street when I came across your post.  My Uncles family lived at number 14 from about 1900 to 1914.  There names where John and Bridget Hayes they had a huge family.  You don't mention a name so I was wondering if we were related.

CC

So I found John Evans second marriage record to Mary Collins in 1925. Lo and behold, one of the witnesses to the marriage was none other than a John Hayes of 14 Charlotte Street. They must have been good friends or neighbours for John Hayes to be witness  at John Evans wedding. Thats crazy!
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Jkeegan on Sunday 02 December 18 22:28 GMT (UK)
Hi,
My father lived in Number 12 along with a number of Keegan generations, if anyone has any pictures of number 12 Charlotte Street  Dublin it would be much appreciated. I believe my great grandfather started off in Number 15 in the early 1900’s before moving into Number 12.

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Celticcrafter on Tuesday 04 December 18 21:16 GMT (UK)
Hi Miriam,

I was looking for photos of 14 Charlotte Street when I came across your post.  My Uncles family lived at number 14 from about 1900 to 1914.  There names where John and Bridget Hayes they had a huge family.  You don't mention a name so I was wondering if we were related.

CC

So I found John Evans second marriage record to Mary Collins in 1925. Lo and behold, one of the witnesses to the marriage was none other than a John Hayes of 14 Charlotte Street. They must have been good friends or neighbours for John Hayes to be witness  at John Evans wedding. Thats crazy!
Hi there,  just reread this post and had another look at the Hayes.
I found that John Hayes B 1903 married a Mary Evans about 1930 (haven't found a cert for them).
I have nothing on Mary so I was wondering if your John Evans had a sister Mary.  Also you may have already seen that Mary Collins lived at number 3 when she was 4 years old.  CC
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Miriam_90 on Wednesday 05 December 18 15:44 GMT (UK)
I just found a cert for a John Hayes, postman, of 14 Charlotte Street (son of John a tailor) and Mary Hayes a cook, daughter of Michael Evans a corporation labourer from 2 Tolka Cottages, Drumcondra. I know my John is from there originally. His brother, Michael had a cottage there when John was in the army.

Hopefully, you can see the cert attached. I'm hoping to speak to my great-grandmother soon. She's the eldest daughter of John Evans. With a bit of luck she can shed some more light on this branch of the family.

Hi Miriam,

I was looking for photos of 14 Charlotte Street when I came across your post.  My Uncles family lived at number 14 from about 1900 to 1914.  There names where John and Bridget Hayes they had a huge family.  You don't mention a name so I was wondering if we were related.

CC

So I found John Evans second marriage record to Mary Collins in 1925. Lo and behold, one of the witnesses to the marriage was none other than a John Hayes of 14 Charlotte Street. They must have been good friends or neighbours for John Hayes to be witness  at John Evans wedding. Thats crazy!
Hi there,  just reread this post and had another look at the Hayes.
I found that John Hayes B 1903 married a Mary Evans about 1930 (haven't found a cert for them).
I have nothing on Mary so I was wondering if your John Evans had a sister Mary.  Also you may have already seen that Mary Collins lived at number 3 when she was 4 years old.  CC

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Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Miriam_90 on Wednesday 05 December 18 16:10 GMT (UK)
John also married a different Mary Collins than the one who lived here. The Mary he married was from Belfast, daughter of James Collins and Mary Neylor.
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Celticcrafter on Wednesday 05 December 18 20:02 GMT (UK)
John also married a different Mary Collins than the one who lived here. The Mary he married was from Belfast, daughter of James Collins and Mary Neylor.
Hi Miriam,  I don't know how i missed this cert.  Thank you for posting it for me.  :) How wonderful to still have a great grandparent alive.  I just have my mom she will be 92 on the 9th of December.  She has helped me a lot in recent years however her memory is not the best anymore.  If I come up with anything else I will certainly post it.  Thanks, Caroline
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Skahead1 on Monday 16 November 20 17:39 GMT (UK)
Hi guys. I have 14 Charlotte St on my grandads brothers marriage cert. It has Julia Hayes marrying Andrew Edgeworth in 1924.  Ive no more info on the Hayes other than her being on that census nor info on if they had any children or not. Cheers, Mark
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Friday 20 November 20 10:49 GMT (UK)

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

I have 14 Charlotte St on my grandads brothers marriage cert. It has Julia Hayes marrying Andrew Edgeworth in 1924. 

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1924/09165/5314818.pdf
One of the witnesses was May Hayes, possibly a sister of Julia.

Indeed, here's the 1911 census. Julia aged 9 and Mary aged 5.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Fitzwilliam/Charlotte_Street/72984/

Just as an aside, here's a Geohive map of Charlotte Street (1888-1913).
https://bit.ly/35NIisP

KG

Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: dathai on Friday 20 November 20 16:05 GMT (UK)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/169863972/catherine-hayes

Andrew and Julias's son Gerard appears to have also died in 1971 age 37 married and lived Coolock
buried in Balgriffin
https://buried.fingal.ie/wp-assets-bif/uploads/register-scans/Balgriffin_2_008.jpg
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Skahead1 on Saturday 21 November 20 10:49 GMT (UK)
37 is far too young. Wonder what happened to him. There are or were Edgeworths in Crumlin and Drimnagh(my ma was born there). Also My grandads sister(Andrews too) was married to a Kavanagh, The Gravediggers Kavanaghs.
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Skahead1 on Saturday 21 November 20 17:44 GMT (UK)
I just came across this one too.

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Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: dathai on Tuesday 24 November 20 09:59 GMT (UK)
Michael Edgeworth
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/1mj/mt-jerome-183/target108.html

he applied for a miltary pension  his file has a reference for his brother John's file
search here
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=775073.msg6285385#msg6285385
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: Skahead1 on Friday 27 November 20 16:36 GMT (UK)
John F Edgeworth was my grandfather but a file for him is not coming up.
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: dathai on Saturday 28 November 20 08:21 GMT (UK)
Perhap's you could e mail them

John F Edgeworth ,File MD 35994

maybe it's not ready for release yet

https://www.militaryarchives.ie/news-updates
Title: Re: 14 Charlotte Street Dublin
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 02 December 20 15:32 GMT (UK)
John Edgeworth, Christopher's father died 1888 at Tuckmil,Bishopcourt,Kildare informant was his son Michael
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1888/06161/4760846.pdf

The family must have moved to Dublin shortly after his death as John's wife Bridget died at 72 Benburb St, son Michael again informant
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1892/06047/4722901.pdf

see photos bottom of page
http://mossreid.blogspot.com/2014/12/benburb-street-jennifer-slattery-textiles.html

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Ushers_Quay/St__Augustine_Street/1302474/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Usher_s_Quay/St__Augustine_Street/73839/

sister Catherine married John Buggles 1881
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1881/11002/8022688.pdf

1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WKDJ-6W2

1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSHK-NYV

1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWCL-7Y1

died 1921
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVHS-4PNX