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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: dbandcwells2 on Saturday 25 June 16 21:56 BST (UK)
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R.W. Penman married Jessie Rae in 1922....they were divorced in 1929 (after he had moved to Canada & she still lived in Scotland).
Does anyone know what happened to him, did he remarry, did he have children?
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Canada Oceans Arrivals Form 30a for Robert Penman Wishaw (transcribed Nishan) aged 21 years - married - miner - come to Canada to settle and live permanently. Arriving 1922 on the Metagama - Uncle Mr Thomas Wright Box 137 Michel British Columbia. Nearest relative in Country from whence came was Mrs Jessie Penman Greenfield Place, Waterloo Wishaw.
Sandra
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You may already know about this page covering the family but here's the link just in case:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bpenman&id=I23387
It only takes you as far as Canada but there may be another clue to help your search.
Sarah
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Do you know who Uncle Thomas Wright was ? Perhaps you could give us some details on him, it appears he was in Michael British Coilumbia.
Sandra
Added tHink I've answered my own question now - see below.
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Is this the parents and siblings of Robert Penman ? 17 North St Glasgow Springburn ?
William Penman 26
Mary Ann Penman 26 Born Wishaw 1875
Maggie Penman 3
Mary Penman 2
George Mcdonald 25 Boarder.
James Penman 2 Months
Mary Ann Penman was Mary Ann Wright ?
Sandra
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Mary Ann Nee Wright Penman with her parents and siblings - 92 Scott's Rows Berryhill Wishaw Lanarkshire - 1891 - includes a Thomas Wright born 1883 who is most likely the Uncle in Michael BC ?
Robert Wright 40 Margaret Wright 35
Lowis Wright 11 Thomas Wright 8
Margaret Wright 5 Jane Wright 2
William Wright 2 Months
John Anderson 55
David McIntosh 56
Sandra
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Canadian Passenger List - Thomas Wrightborn 1883 Wishaw Scotland - aged 45 years - travelling Greenock to Saint John New Brunswick arriving 15 December 1928 on the Duchess of Bedford. Thomas had been in Canada 1919 - 1926 Also travelling his son Robert Wright aged 15 years - had Michel BC. Brother L Wright Bell Street Wishaw.
The L Wright was a brother Lewis Wright who appears on that 1891 census. Agnes was Agnes Wright who appears on the 1901 census with the Wright family
52 Scott's Rows Wishaw Lanarkshire - 1901
Robert Wright 52 Margaret Wright 46
Lewis Wright 21 Thomas Wright 18
Margaret Wright 14 Jane Wright 12
Sarah Wright 8 Agnes Wright 5
James Orr 14
Sandra
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There is a British Columbia Death Record for Robert Hamilton Thomas Wright born 23 December 1912 Wishaw Scotland - single - Informant Thomas D Wright - brother - burial Natal Cemetery Natal BC -
Father Thomas Wright and Mother Janet Ward. Passed Away 7 February 1970 Fernie British Coluimbia
This could be the Robert on the passenger list above in 1928.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6F93-4B1?i=2573&wc=S62W-MNL%3A1069431401%3Fcc%3D1538285&cc=1538285
Sandra
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There is a marriage for Margaret Wright of Michel BC to Bernard Keeling in Vancouver British Columbia 17 December 1938 - father Thomas Wright Mother Jeanette Wright.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BB-N9CZ-8?i=2759&cc=1307718
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Robert Hamilton Wright 23 december 1912 - 7 February 1970
Burial Elk Valley Cemetery Sparwood East Kootenay Regional District British Columbia, Canada
Plot: A19-15
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=102766506&ref=acom
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Thomas Wright - 1882 - 1932
Burial Elk Valley Cemetery Sparwood East Kootenay Regional District British Columbia, Canada
Plot: C22-07
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=102766561
Janet Ward Wright - 1884 - 1957
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=111069028
Sandra
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Agnes Wright aged 6 years born Wishaw Scotland arriving Quebec on the Metagama - June 1923
Proceeding to father Mr Thomas Wright. Box 137 Michael BC. Aunt Mrs Mary Penman 25 1/2 Belhaven Terrace Wishaw.
Also Sadie Wright aged 5 years - Robert Wright aged 10 years and Janet Wright aged 39 years born Coatsbridge Scotland all arriving June 1923.
Sandra
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Obviously the Wright connection which tempted Robert Penman to go to Canada. Lots on the Wright family but Robert is very elusive. THere was no sign of a Robert Penman with a 3 June 1902 birth date in the USA that I could see. The latest Wright to go to Canada was Lewis McLeod Wright born 1880 brother of Thomas Wright and Agnes Fagan. Glasgow - Quebec arrived May 1921 going to brother Thomas in Michel BC. Wife Mrs Janet Wright 9 1/2 Roberts Street Wishaw. Intended to remain permanently in Canada. (Although I don't think he did - passed away possibly Cambuslang 1960 according to anc tree)
Sandra
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As well as all the Wright family who immigrated, Margaret Penman (sister of Robert) was married at the Northern Hotel Fernie BC - 24 April 1916 to Charles Bennett - Millwright - born Minnesota USA.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DB1S-CX8?i=1013&wc=S6K9-7M9%3A11701%3Fcc%3D1307718&cc=1307718
Sandra
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US Border Crossing - MIss Elizabeth Penman - Born 1905 Wishaw and aged 17 years - Glasgow to Montreal arriving 23 July 1922 0n the Metagama. Mother Mrs Mary Penman 25 1/2 Belhaven Tce Wishaw. Going to Box 25 Whitefish Montana to her sister Mrs Charles Bennett.
Sandra
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1920 Census shows Maggie nee Penman Bennett with husband CHarles - Dakota Avenue Whitefish, Flathead, Montana.
Charles A Bennett aged 30 years. Born Minnesota.
Margaret Bennett aged 22 years. Imm 1916. Naturalized.
Emma Bennett aged 73 years. Born Ohio. Mother.
and 1930 Dakota Avenue Whitefish Montana.
Charles A Bennett 40
Margaret Bennett aged 32 years. Imm 1916. Naturalized.
and 1940 Dakota Avenue Whitefish Montane.
Charley Bennett 50 and Margaret Bennett 42
Don't appear to have had children.
Sandra
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U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 - Margaret Penman Bennett - Margaret Bennett - Margaret Penman Penman born 15 January 1898 and passed away 15 October 1995 Flathead Montana - Parents William Penman and Mother Mary A Wright.
Sandra
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There was a passport application for Margaret nee Penman Bennett - 15 May 1924 - Whitefish Montana.
Passport issued to visit relatives in England and Scotland.
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Charles Bennett - 1889 - 8 January 1970
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=91751181&ref=acom
Margaret listed but no dates
Sandra
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Elizabeth Penman married Herbert Madole Kalispell, Flathead, Montana 11 July 1924 - Parents William Penman and Mary Wright.
1930 Census Dakota Avenue Whitefish Montana
Herbert H Madole aged 28 years.
Elizabeth N Madole aged 25 years. Born Scotland. Imm 1922. Naturalized.
William H Madole 3 years and 8 months. Born Montana.
Sandra
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1940 Census Dakota Avenue Flatfish Montana
Herbert Madale 37 Born Illinois. Carman. Railroad.
Elizabeth Madale 35 Born Scotland.
Bell (Bil) Madale 13 Born Montana
James Madale 8 Born Montana
Kalispell, Montana, City Directory, 1951 - showing couple up to 1951
Sandra
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Son Herbert William Madole born 12 August 1926 - passed away September 1979 - parents - Herbert H Madole - Mother Elizabeth W Penman.
FIND A GRAVE
Burial Dry Creek Cemetery Boise Ada County Idaho.
Plot: Gardenview 024 09-D
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=61425679&ref=acom
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Herbert H. Madole - 25 February 1902 - 1 September 1969
Burial Conrad Memorial Cemetery Kalispell Flathead County Montana.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=17405380&ref=acom
Sandra
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Elizabeth W. Madole 17 August 1904 - 19 January 1992
Burial Whitefish Cemetery Whitefish Flathead County Montana.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=132421562&ref=acom
Last Residence 59937 Whitefish, Flathead, Montana.
Sandra
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Here is another Penman - Border Crossing Canada to USA - James Penman born 1901 - arriving 30 August 1930 Last permanent address was Michel BC. Had arrived Quebec 25 October 1928 on Duchess of Bedford - - Going to join - Mrs C Bennett Whitefish Montana. Mother Mrs Mary Penman Glasgow Scotland. Debarred - ???
Passenger List 27 April 1930 - Greenock to Montreal shows Agnes Penman 27 years, Martha Penman 8 years Margaret Penman 7 years. Going to father James in Michel BC
Sandra
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James Penman - 10 January 1901 - 8 June 1953
Burial Elk Valley Cemetery Sparwood East Kootenay Regional District
British Columbia, Canada
Plot: C05-12
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=102821251&ref=acom
Agnes nee Bernie 1902 - 2 March 1976
and daughter Agnes - 25 March 1932 - 19 November 1981
Sandra
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Death Cert for James Penman - Informant Margaret Danial (daughter) of Champion Alberta.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6XPR-YF?i=680&wc=S62D-ZNL%3A1069421901%3Fcc%3D1538285&cc=1538285
Death Cert for Agnes nee Bernie Penman - informant was the son - W ? Penman Abbotsford F
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6FFH-KZF?i=2622&wc=S62D-YWL%3A1069441802%3Fcc%3D1538285&cc=1538285
Daughter Agnes Penman (single) - informant - sister Martha Gallamore/Tallamore ??? Fernie BC.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X2M9-6N2?i=2707&wc=S62F-T38%3A1069452001%3Fcc%3D1538285&cc=1538285
Sandra
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This could be a possible for the daughter Martha Moffat Gallamore - daughter of James and Agnes (informant on her sisters death)
Moffat was the maiden name of her grandmother - Martha Moffat.
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July 1921 - August 1986 -
Burial: Saint Margaret's Cemetery Fernie
East Kootenay Regional District British Columbia, Canada
Plot: Section K, Block 1, Plot 7
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=119036191
Sandra
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Wow Sandra, very fine sleuthing. :)
Robert is oh so elusive, like a ghost, which is what happened to Michel, BC.
http://www.ghosttownpix.com/bc/michelnatal.html
Cheers,
DB
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Hi,
There is an obit for brother James in the Lethbridge Herald newspaper date June 18, 1953,
but no mention of Robert.
Natal, B.C., The funeral of the late James Penman took place recently at the United Church, Michel. He was 52, born in Glasgow, Scotland on January 10, 1901. He came to Canada in 1928, having resided in Michel for the last 25 years. Leaving to mourn besides his wife, son B* of Michel, daughters Mrs. D* of Champion, Alberta, and A* and B* at home. Also one brother William who left only a few years ago for Scotland, along with four sisters Mrs. C. Bennett and Mrs. L. Madole of Whitefish, Montana and two sisters in Scotland. Deceased had been an employee of Crows Nest Coal Co., Michel during the majority of his years in Michel.
Cheers,
DB
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Hi,
Mother Mary came for a visit to Montana in 1937. From the Daily Inter Lake newspaper,
Kalispell, Montana, dated September 15, 1937.
New York Passenger List arriving May 31, 1937 on the ship "California" from Glasgow to
New York.
Penman, Mary, age 63, b.Wishaw, widow, housekeeper, nearest relative from whence you
came daughter, Mrs. Mary Lockhart, 303 Craigneuk St., Wishaw, going to daughter, Mrs.
Margaret Bennett, 22 Dakota Ave, Whitefish, Montana.
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Hi,
Robert was in Michel in 1941. An article in the Lethbridge Herald lists men who signed up for WW2 from Michel and Natal, after a parade and rally. On the list was Robert Penman of Michel.
Lethbridge Herald, July 10, 1941, page 13.
RK
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Excellent DB that was on the "to do" list today, looking for the mother Mary. Sadly she was killed in a motor accident in 1943 but I suspected she must have crossed the pond to visit some or all of her children.
Hmm WW2 that was another thought RK - couldn't find him listed on any war graves sites or a connection to Canadian Forces. He doesn't seem to be around by 1953 though does he ???
After a quick glance, hadn't positively identified Mrs D on voters list for Champion Alberta ???
Sandra
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Hi,
Robert was in Michel in 1941. An article in the Lethbridge Herald lists men who signed up for WW2 from Michel and Natal, after a parade and rally. On the list was Robert Penman of Michel.
Lethbridge Herald, July 10, 1941, page 13.
RK
Great find by RK - Hope RK doesn't mind me attaching the article here.............
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Hi,
Nice one RK ;D
Michel was a mining town, I was thinking perhaps an accident, but no not listed there either. ???
http://coalminersmemorial.tripod.com/
Cheers,
DB
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Brother William Penman born 1907 arrives on Duchess of Atholl - 19 July 1929 - Greenock to Montreal - going to brother Mr J Penman - Box 119 - Michel BC - Mother Mrs M Penman - 138 1/2 Main Street Wishaw.
Sandra