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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => US Lookup Requests => Topic started by: kazzza on Sunday 19 June 16 14:40 BST (UK)
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Is anyone able to assist with more info of guidance to get more.
John Murray b. 15th December 1888, Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey. His parents listed on IGI births as Kate McIver & Domald Murray. I do have his Passport number as 157037 from 1935.
Strange story that I would really like to piece together.. Johns parents (only mother listed )travelled from Scotland to USA in 1887 with 2 siblings, returning back to Scotland before 1894 when my grandfather was born.
I believe John actually moved to USA as an adult, married and had a daughter but I have not been able to find any info or data.
Thanks in advance, Karen
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USA Social Security Applications
John Morrison Murray birth date 15/12/1888 Jersey City
Father Donald Murray mother Catherine McIver
Claim date 13/12/1954
Notes 30 July 1976 name listed as John Morrison Murray
Seen this record for a John Murray in 1892 departure New York arrival May 1892 Glasgow ship Devonia
D Murray age 29
Mrs Murray age 31
John Murray age 5
Rosie
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1926 passenger list gives the address he was going to as 262 West 25th Street, New York. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KXMF-WR9
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He was going to 68 Monticello Ave., Jersey City, New Jersey in 1923 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:23XK-BK6 He was married at this point, so maybe he married in Scotland?
In 1935, he came back to New York and was going to 585 Court Street, Brooklyn - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G5Z1-98CL?i=581&wc=MFK9-XNL%3A1029985801%3Fcc%3D1923888&cc=1923888
May not be him, but there is a married John M. Murray born New Jersey at the right time and in a hospital for the insane in Brooklyn in 1940 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQ9B-GY5
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Is there any address where the family members were known to live in Scotland? I'm guessing he was going back to see them, so maybe incoming lists would give more clues.
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1901 census the family were living 41, Holmscroft Street Greenock ...In U K Incoming records 1935 occupation boilermaker address given was 64,Regent Street Greenock
Rosie
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There is a record for a Donald Murray birth year about 1863 Scottish arrival date 15/6/1887 New York
Ship State of Nebraska occupation looks like shipwright ( same occupation in the 1901 census )
The record for Catherine and her 2 sons arrival 19/9/1887 New York ship Ethiopia so looks like she was going to join her husband
Rosie
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Thanks Rosie & Shelly.. very much appreciate your reply's.
I do already have
1923 sailing info England > Boston ~ exact birth date 15th Dec 1888
1926 sailing info England > New York ~ exact birth date 15th Dec 1888
1935 sailing info Scotland > New York.. using US Passport 157037 i think issued 4 Dec 1934 addressed at 585 Court st Brooklyn ~ exact birth date 15th Dec 1888
I also have info for a life claim dated 1954 with 30 July 1976 listed with John Morrison Murray ~ exact birth date 15th Dec 1888
Thanks for the 1940 info about US census.. interesting and defiantly could be him ?
Family address on the 1911 Scottish census has John still living at home 21 Bruce st Greenock..
There are quite a few gaps that i would like to fill in.. eventually... If i could get info on the passport or Life claim these could carry more information.. perhaps even a wife's name !!!
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1935 passenger lists gives John Murray as married- have you tried searching for his wife at the Brooklyn address in 1940?
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In the future, please tell us everything you have already found so we don't waste our time going over the same ground.
You can order a passport application for a fee. According to this, it would be available to you, as he was born over 100 years ago - https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/United_States_Passports#Availablity_of_Passports.2C_April_1925_to_Present
The life claim in the Social Security application database means he applied for retirement or disability benefits then. If I remember correctly, the later date that shows what the name was listed as was just due to the Social Security Administration going through their past records in an audit and doesn't really mean anything about your man.
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1935 passenger lists gives John Murray as married- have you tried searching for his wife at the Brooklyn address in 1940?
Thanks for this aghadowey.. I will give it a try.
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In the future, please tell us everything you have already found so we don't waste our time going over the same ground.
You can order a passport application for a fee. According to this, it would be available to you, as he was born over 100 years ago - https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/United_States_Passports#Availablity_of_Passports.2C_April_1925_to_Present
The life claim in the Social Security application database means he applied for retirement or disability benefits then. If I remember correctly, the later date that shows what the name was listed as was just due to the Social Security Administration going through their past records in an audit and doesn't really mean anything about your man.
Very sorry, should have thought before asking the original question... I will do correctly in the future.
I will check for the passport and life claim, thanks for the info.
BTW.. Sent off for a copy of birth.. Just received an email this morning with this copy.. Hard copy being mailed.. Yeah !!
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Another question, if I may !
If John was born in USA and the travelled back to Scotland a couple of years later in 1894 would he have to have had a passport ? .. Also back 1887 when his parents and siblings actually travelled to and fro would they have required passports ?
Another thing that I'm curious about.. On the 1911 census it has 12 children born 9 living.. There is approx a 2 year gap between each birth except for the time the family were in the USA.. Would/could there have been more children born and died while overseas?
Thanks in advance
Karen
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USA Social Security Applications
John Morrison Murray birth date 15/12/1888 Jersey City
Father Donald Murray mother Catherine McIver
Claim date 13/12/1954
Notes 30 July 1976 name listed as John Morrison Murray
Seen this record for a John Murray in 1892 departure New York arrival May 1892 Glasgow ship Devonia
D Murray age 29
Mrs Murray age 31
John Murray age 5
Rosie
Rosie.. I have not seen the 1892 departure record..where can I see this please.
Thanks Karen
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Seen this record for a John Murray in 1892 departure New York arrival May 1892 Glasgow ship Devonia
D Murray age 29
Mrs Murray age 31
John Murray age 5
Rosie
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Rosie.. I have not seen the 1892 departure record..where can I see this please.
Thanks Karen
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Hi Karen this record is on the UK Incoming lists An.....y
Rosie
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Passports were uncommon until after World War I so it's unlikely the family had passports issued.
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Hi Karen don't think that record fits in 1892 as this looks like the family in the 1891 census address 4,Duff Street Greenock
Donald Murray age 30 b Stornoway occupation carpenter
Catherine Murray age 25 b Greenock
Alexander Murray age 6 b Greenock
Malcolm Murray age 4 b Greenock
John Murray age 2 b America
Not having much luck finding them coming back to the UK ?
You might be better looking for more births on Scotlands People for this couple there is a tree for this couple with a Roderick Alexander McIver Murray b 1905 died 1907 ....but no mention of a John Murray ...Did the mother Catherine Murray die 1911 ?
Rosie
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Rosie, now you bring it to my attention I agree the 1892 return record could not be.. As it is my family in the 1891 Scottish census. I have not found where the father Donald (birth name Daniel Lewis Murray ) actually went to the USA and like you have not found their return pre 1891.
Yes Catherine did die 1911
After the birth of John was my grandfather
Donald in Scotland 1894,
followed by Agnes Morrison Murray 1896,
Ms Stewart Murray 1899,
Robert Murray 1901
Catherine McIver Murray 1903
Roderick McIver Murray 1905 - 1907
Roderick McIver Murray 1908
I will check SP again as I still have to find 3 more births according to the 1911 census there was 12 born 9 living... There is a gap between John 1888 & Donald 1894 where there could be a possibility.
Karen
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Hi Karen this could be a possibility Donald Murray b 1863 age 24 arrival date 15/6/1887 New York name of ship State of Nebraska occupation looks like shipwright ? There must be a record of them coming back it finding it hard ::)
Rosie