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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: rallenza on Wednesday 15 June 16 23:00 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am looking for some evidence of a HILL family living in Masterton/TeOreOre around the time of 1925 onwards. There is some anectodal evidence he was a gardener or similar, and died about 1946-7. Any help appreciated.
Rallenza.
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Hi Rallenza,
Can you perhaps give us a name to work with please.......?
Minniehaha.
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Hi rallenza
I think the following may be the HILL people you seek ?
1925 and 1928 - Masterton Electoral rolls
HILL
- Annie Maria - married
- Henry - farmer
- Henry - farmer
... all residing at Te Ore Ore (near Masterton)
~ Lu
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Hello...
From a family historian's point of view, here is the extremely informative probate file for Annie Maria HILL
http://tinyurl.com/j8fsce3 (http://tinyurl.com/j8fsce3)
Less so, the probate file for Henry HILL
http://tinyurl.com/gnqp7r7 (http://tinyurl.com/gnqp7r7)
Regards
Beg
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Did a little further digging > largely to try and sort out who the 2nd "Henry HILL, farmer" was ? ;) [It seems he was also known as Harry HILL and was the son of Henry HILL, farmer of Te Ore Ore. ]
Deaths / Burials
Rather than dying in 1946-47, Henry HILL (senior), Farmer, died on 25 May 1941 aged 81 years. He is buried at the Archer Street Cemetery in Masterton, with his wife*, Annie Maria HILL (shown on cemetery record as "Maria Annie"), who also died in 1941 on 15th August - aged 68 years. And sharing the same plot, is Harry HILL - died 5 June 1934 aged 40 years.
* Henry HILL (Senior) appears to have married Annie Maria, in New Zealand in 1911.
Henry HILL -- Annie Maria MADKINS -- 1911
~ Lu continues next >
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Mmm ... was just getting to the Probate record for Annie Maria HILL ... I see Beg has already given the link. ;D
Rallenza, you'll find though that the named beneficiaries are connected to the LOFT family you were seeking in an earlier thread.
~ Lu
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When I read through the Will of Henry HILL (d. 1941) earlier, I noted that the executor of same, Cameron James DOUGLAS, son-in-law of Henry HILL, stated that Henry had told him he'd been born in Birmingham.
Henry (listed as Harry) HILL 41 yrs, his wife Ada (36) and children, Ida B. - 9 yrs / Harry - 8 yrs and Hilda M. - 4 years, are residing in Warwickshire > Aston Manor, in 1901.
[In 1901 Henry HILL is recorded as born "Warwick - Aston" ... in 1891, listed as born "Lancs - Manchester" ?? ]
~ Lu continues >
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Haven't been able to pinpoint exactly when the HILL family arrived in NZ ... they may have travelled separately ? Rather too many HILLs to wade through.
Henry HILL and daughter Ida, were in NZ by 1911, as both married in that year.
Ida Beatrice HILL -- Robert William DEATH -- 1911
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Henry HILL's bride, Annie Maria MADKINS, was also residing at Aston , Warwick in 1901 (with her parents and some siblings).
She is probably the "Miss A. MADKINS" who arrived at Wellington, NZ from London aboard the ship "Tongariro" in February, 1911.
Henry's second daughter, Hilda Maud HILL married in 1921 to Cameron James DOUGLAS.
Harry HILL (son of Henry HILL and first wife Ada ?) died in 1934 - a Probate file in his name, records that he died "intestate". It seems that he did not wed.
~ Lu
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Hello again Minniehaha, and hello Lucy2 and Beg Clonrode,
Many thanks for your research. I will absorb this over this weekend, and no doubt it will raise further questions.
I had re-read some letters from NZ and these had mentioned TeOreOre, which previously I had overlooked because I was focussing on the core of my Grandma in NZ. Another letter from PN mentioned the maori hut, with actual names. Old newspapers have been a good source but revealed nothing this time round. Hence my request. Apparently the son was very religious and lived in a water tower.
So, Lucy2, the connection with the Loft family will be interesting and is unexpected.
Thanks for your efforts so far, very much appreciated.
Will write again.
Rallenza
later ps: Minniehaha- the Henry and harry (Henry Jnr) were the names mentioned in previous letters, so the results are good, just need to see where they fit in. I just couldnt find any previous link with a madkins. Fresh pairs of eyes...............
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On somewhat of a different note, I live in Masterton and I can take some photos of the grave if you'd like. Also my family farmed and owned much of Te Ore Ore at the same time your Hill family were living there, I believe they were neighbours (i'm referring to the Percy family if any of your letters mention them). In regards to the watertower if its the one i'm thinking of it's still standing today, and there's also a good story to go along with it regarding someone who lived in it although I can't remember what it is, I'll have to ask my Grandad or Dad next time I see them.
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Hello kebab,
I've had a look and it has renewed interest in some previously discarded leads.
Yes, it would be good to see a photo of their grave. Equally any anecdote that your grandparents can remember about the one who lived in the tower. Your note has put some substance into what my aunt has remembered in her letters which, together with other notes about where they lived in UK, has renewed a flagging resolve. I will raise the name Percy in my next letter.
I had researched every known Hill family around that part of B'ham (Hockley and Aston- for B'ham was in Warks then)for clues, and either discounted or put aside less plausible finds. The B'ham link with the Madkins has renewed research into two particular families, because I previously thought Hill had met Madkins in NZ, thus had been discounted.
Any history about the Madkins family could be useful. reading the Annie Hill Will --isnt it interesting what was bequeathed in those days? . Did Amy Williams come over with Annie Madkins in 1911. There is anectodal evidence that Amy Williams worked at Dame Melba (Mitchell) kitchens on arrival in Aus, which I put as 1911 on the SS Ophir. Is there a link here?
many thanks so far to all.
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These entries for Madkins in Papers Past, the first repeated in other newspapers......
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=AG19091222.2.9&srpos=3&e=-------10--1----0madkins--
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP19110201.2.112&srpos=2&e=-------10--1----0madkins--
The names of 'Hill' & 'Williams' both mentioned.
Minniehaha.
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The manifest of the 'Tongariro'......
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Amadkins~&collection_id=1609792
Minniehaha.
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You probably have the death of brother Frederick? whom I think is most likely the following......
Deaths Jun 1962
MADKINS Frederick E 85 Birmingham 9c 38
Minniehaha.
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Some information concerning Hilda Maud........
Her death:
1979/38247 Douglas Hilda Maud 29/6/1896 83Y
Burial:
http://waitakere.govt.nz/cnlser/cm/cemeterysearch/cemeterydetails.aspx?id=63688
[Second Christian name incorrectly recorded.]
Probated will:
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=13083678
If you wish, I can have a look for her newspaper death notice.
Minniehaha.
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And some details for her husband.......
His death:
1976/44712 Douglas Cameron James 16/11/1891 84Y
Probated will:
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=22999689
Burial:
http://www.horowhenua.govt.nz/Services/Cemeteries/Cemetery-Search-Results/?record=5270
Minniehaha.
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A couple more snippets...
1961/39419 De'Ath Robert William 73Y
1986/29416 D'Ath Ida Beatrice 26/12/1891 94Y
Minniehaha.
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Incorrect post, now deleted.
Minniehaha.
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hello Minniehaha,
many thanks for those leads.
I've been looking into them, and the manifests, not yet convinced about the plausibility of Amy Hill travelling on the Tongariro. She may have travelled by her maiden name Williams, and at the moment the most plausible is SS Ophir, in 1911. The dates and years are beginning to link together though. I'm ferretting around links for (John) Henry Hill, now I know he came from Birmingham area. Now that is plausible. Some progress has been made even if in a different direction to what I was expecting.
I've been trawling electoral rolls to see where Madkins was in the mid 1900-1909 period, checking to see if she was a domestic within a household, similar to Amy.
The Death (DeAth) surname has resurfaced too after some years, but I cannot find my previous searches.
Many thanks for your research. I'll keep ferretting.
rallenza.