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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: WideEyedGirl on Sunday 12 June 16 21:49 BST (UK)
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As the title suggests, I would very much like help with finding the family (and by that I mean parents and siblings) of Ann Fullilove.
I know that she married Jacob Moxon (born 1772), on 8 Aug 1797 at Rotherham, but I don't know much more than that. With Jacob, she had the following children (all baptized at Wentworth near Thorpe Hesley); Mary (1797-1798), William (born 1799), Thomas (1801-1854), Joseph (born 1803), David (born 1805) and Jacob (1808-1839). I believe Ann died in 1837 as her husband Jacob is living alone in 1841, and there is a relevant death index for this in Rotherham. I haven't found her burial record yet though.
Help finding possible baptisms for Ann Fullilove would be great - I did find these ones as a start, but these ones are rather early:
1) bap 24 Apr 1761, Cathedral St Peter, Sheffield, father: George Fullilove.
2) bap 11 May 1761 Cathedral St Peter, Sheffield, father: John Fullilove.
3) 2 Apr 1760 Ecclesfield, mother: Elizabeth Fullilove
Certainly finding a later baptism would look more positive, although I don't know if she'd been married before she married Jacob - so Fullilove perhaps may not be her maiden name.
Thank you for any help you can offer,
Holly
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That's a great name Holly ;D
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Gosh I've been looking for ages for Ann, but I have I think found her burial which gives her age ;D
Ann Moxon of Thorpe buried 23 December 1837 aged 72 years, so a birth year of c1765
claire
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Claire,
I do think it's a lovely name ;D
That indeed looks like the right woman, thanks a lot :)
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There seems to be some Fullilove's in the Wentworth area, plus some marriages at Ecclesfield and Rotherham:
Baptisms at Wentworth
- 25/01/1756 John Fullilove, son of Thomas of Wentworth.
- 27/03/1758 Charles and William Fullilove, sons of John of Thorpe
- 27/12/1759 John Fullilove, son of John of Wentworth.
- 23/05/1760 Martha Fullilove, dau of Thomas of Thorpe
- 24/05/1763 George Fullilove, son of Thomas of Thorpe
- 12/01/1766 Matthew Fullilove, son of Thomas of Wentworth
- 12/10/1766 Thomas Fullilove, son of John of Wentworth
- 22/05/1767 Robert Fullilove, son of Elizabeth of Wentworth
Marriages
- 12 Apr 1752, Ecclesfield, George Fullilove (b. 1725) and Elizabeth Stringer (b. 1731)
- 6 Jun 1746, Ecclesfield, Thomas Fullilove and Martha Bower
30 Jul 1724, Rotherham, Joshua Fullilove and Anna Sharp
Burials at Wentworth
- 21/12/1759 John Fullilove of Thorpe, son of John
- 02/03/1767 Mary Fullilove, wife of John
No sign of Ann's baptism however :-\
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Have you tried looking for a Hannah ? Just a thought.
I did look for an earlier marriage but couldn't see one of those either.
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Haven't found any Hannah's yet but will keep looking :)
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I will have a look later, I'm on my phone can't do too much at the moment :-\
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On the parish record for the marriage, Ann Fulielove (sic) was a widow.
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On the parish record for the marriage, Ann Fulielove (sic) was a widow.
Ah that will certainly help us then, thank you for finding that out.
Now onto finding her previous marriage! ;D
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Could a possible marriage be 17 Dec 1783 at Felkirk (near Barnsley) - John Fullilove and Ann Mason?
Added: There are quite a few Fullilove's baptized at Ecclesfield, children of John between 1783 and 1797 (1797 being the year Ann married Jacob).
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Very possibly, have you found a birth c1765 for an Ann Mason :)
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and a death for John Fullilove...
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and a death for John Fullilove...
Death of John Fullilove - 1795 Ecclesfield, buried 5 July 1795 :)
And christening of Ann Mason, daughter of Charles and Ann at Felkirk - bap 14 Jul 1765
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Looking good then ;D ;D
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Only problem is, there seems to be at least 2 John's at Ecclesfield - based on the number of baptisms at Ecclesfield - quite a few repeated names also.
- Ann, bap 21 Nov 1784, Ecclesfield, dau of John Fullilove
- Ann, bap 25 Dec 1789, ", dau of "
- Hannah, bap 30 Oct 1785, ", dau of "
- Hannah, bap 2 Mar 1794, ", dau of "
- Martha, bap 30 Sep 1792, ", dau of "
- Eliz. , bap 30 Sep 1787, ", dau of "
- Elizabeth, bap 11 Jan 1795, ", dau of "
- Sarah, bap 4 Nov 1787, " dau of "
- Sarah, bap 27 Feb 1791, " dau of "
- John, bap 25 May 1792, ", son of "
- Joseph, bap 12 Feb 1786, " son of " (discounted because name repeated in Ann's second marriage)
- Mary, bap 21 Jun 1789, ", dau of " (discounted because name repeated in Ann's second marriage)
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When Jacob and Ann married look at the names of their children, do any of those have the same names ? You could eliminate them that way.
Have you seen the Parish records ? Is there an occupation or anything to go by ?
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The baptisms for Mary and Joseph can be discounted, but the others are all possible :-\
I haven't seen the parish records - only the index records on family search, so I don't know about occupation :-\
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I am on FindMyPast so I will see what there is, I'll check for that marriage too and email it on if it's there
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Thanks Claire, that would be a great help :)
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Oh My !!! Are there a lot of Moxons in that part of the world ? A witness to most of the marriages that year including that of Ann Mason and John F was JACOB MOXON
Just going to email it on
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Yes indeed, I had fun tracing them at Wentworth ;D ::)
That's rather surprising! My Jacob would've only been 11 years old then though ;D
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Must be a cousin ;D
Ann, bap 21 Nov 1784, Ecclesfield, dau of John Fullilove FROM CHARTINBROOK
- Ann, bap 25 Dec 1789, ", dau of " FROM THORPE
- Hannah, bap 30 Oct 1785, ", dau of " FROM THORPE
- Hannah, bap 2 Mar 1794, ", dau of " FROM BARNSHALL
- Martha, bap 30 Sep 1792, ", dau of " FROM BARNSHALL ?
- Eliz. , bap 30 Sep 1787, ", dau of " FROM CHARTINBROOK
- Elizabeth, bap 11 Jan 1795, ", dau of " FROM THORPE
- Sarah, bap 4 Nov 1787, " dau of " FROM THORPE
- Sarah, bap 27 Feb 1791, " dau of " FROM BARNSHALL
- John, bap 25 May 1792, ", son of " FROM THORPE
No occupations, just abode, will check Johns burial see if that gives abode
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John Fullilove buried 5 July 1795 FROM THORPE
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Ah that's brilliant, thank you so much ;D Ann probably moved from Felkirk when she married John, and with John they lived in Thorpe Hesley and baptized their children at Ecclesfield. And then when John died, he was buried at Ecclesfield, and Ann married Jacob Moxon as he was from Thorpe ;D
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Looking good then ;D ;D
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Hi Fullilove chatters, it is great to see folk taking an interest in the Yorkshire Fulliloves - something I have been encouraging for over 30 years...... I have a huge amount of data on this family, both within Yorkshire and without and it would be great to share what we each know. I have already looked at the exchanges on Rootschat about Ann & John: those people are not easy to figure out, due in part to multiple people with those names AND gaps in parish records. My own Fullilove tree extends from myself in an unbroken line back to John Fuloflove, b1485, and before that I have a dotted lines back to 1297. I'll save my other points until I establish contact with any who are still researching these people.....no point to type out long explanations until I know there is somebody there! Roderick Fullilove
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I am descended from the Thomas Fullilove who died in Rotherham in 1633. Any info you may have on him and his ancestry would be much appreciated.
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I expect you already know that there is very little by way of BDM in South Yorkshire (or anywhere else) before 1633 and any new of Thomas may have to come from elsewhere.
That said I can see the burial record of Thomas in Rotherham in 1633 and maybe his birth in 1593. There are other events close by that may relate to the same family.
It would be good to know how you connect to Thomas, in particular is that through the branch line of cutlers who arrived in London c1785 (i,e. John and sister Ann) OR through the residual who stayed in West Riding. I have a lot on the former and my first published book focused on those folk.
To your knowledge are there others working the Fullilove lines in Yorkshire from say 1538 to 1851? I do have a lot of data, but not much structure or story to support that.....and even less time to do so....my own line is also pressing for attention.
Roderick (Roger)
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My connection is as follows :
Thomas Fullilove (d. 1633 Rotherham) = Elizabeth
Anthony Fullilove (bt 30 Sep 1599 Rotherham, mar. 21 Jun 1641 Rotherham) = Barbara Hirst
Thomas Fullilove (bt Apr 1644 Rotherham) = Dorothy Richmond
Elizabeth Fullilove (bt Dec 1673 Rotherham, mar. 30 Oct 1693 Rotherham = Josias Willey (my 8*Gfather)
So no info on London connection, and I am not aware of anyone round her (Rotherham/Sheffield area) researching Fulliloves.
Regards
Dave.
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I’m not sure I can add much to help you further….but here goes, mostly questions (sorry)
I expect you know that the early Rotherham registers have overlaps….PR 87/1 is a composite register (ie BDMs) 1541-1663 (with gaps) and PR 87/2, another composite. Is for 1574-1640….my own research was done from these original registers in 1984…..that is not via latterly via Ancestry et al…spellings can be wild….Ffoollowloufe for example.
I see the burial of Elizabeth at Rotherham in 1634. Do you have further info to link that to Thomas d1633 or just good supposition?
It seems logical that Anthony b1599 is a son of Thomas (& Elizabeth), but again do you have data to support that?
There seems to be evidence (in PR 87/1 & 2) of a big family for Thomas – maybe from 1575 thru to 1604. However, since these registers do NOT record father’s names, it is also possible to conclude that more than one family is being cited….do you have further news?
I see Anthony married Barbara Hirst at Rotherham (PR 81/1) on 21 Jun 1641
I see Thomas married Dorothy Richmond at Ecclesfield 22 May 1662
The Fulliloves appear in many villages of West Riding from 1570 on (including Rotherham, Wentworth, Ecclesfield and Treeton) but NOT before. Later the Treeton ones are in Sheffield where they were most cutlers by trade ….. Also a few strays in York, but otherwise I’ve not seen any Fulliloves elsewhere in Yorkshire…. I suspect these people drifted north from Lincolnshire (or Leicestershire – my folk)
John, born 1759, a cutler, came to London in c1784 and fathered a large tribe in Westminster and Walworth/Camberwell that continues to this day….this is well documented in my first Fullilove book in 1984. The family also stayed in South Yorkshire thereafter, although it shrank somewhat and many became Fulleloves…..it is possible to plot these folk through the 1841-1911 census, but that is another WIP.
I expect your interest ends with the marriage of Elizabeth in 1693, but there is some possibility to trace the Rotherham branch back further (say 1450-1570) via the PRs or, failing that, via Manorial records…. I have all the wills, interesting, but nothing vital on Rotherham
I am looking for someone who is trying to piece together the entire South Yorkshire story…. Sadly I have been asking since 1984 with only modest progress. If I find the energy I shall commit my research to paper at some stage, albeit I have pressing issues to look into re my own folk….so we’ll see.
Roderick (Roger)
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Many thanks for your comments.
My only source of input has been from a one day visit to Rotherham Archives. I shall try to make another visit there this coming summer, but until then I am unlikely to make any further progress.
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Hi again, yes Rotherham holds out the best chance for extra info in the years you are searching. Be back in touch a few weeks before you go and maybe I'll have gotten all my info into a more presentable form
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Hello Fullilove people
While browsing Wills at my local LDS FHC today, I came across a Fullilove Will. Remembering this unusual name from Rootschat recently, I forwarded it to myself via email. It is made by Thomas Fullilove in (somewhere I can't read) in Rotherham parish in 1746 and registered or whatever 8th May 1747. One of the witnesses is Richard Fullilove.
Thomas mentions Mary his wife, his daughter Dorothy Richardson, also son in law John (Isennoth - sorry can't make that out), grandchildren Richard and John (Isennoth) and Christopher Fullilove of Greasbrough, Cordwainer.
If anyone wants me to send them a copy, please pm me. Not sure if I should post it on here, and don't know how to either!
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I too have studied this will and have transcribed it
Thomas lived in Morley in Rotherham
The witness is Richard Fulston, not Fullilove
The son in law is John Jennett, same surname for the grandchildren
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Well done tenpasteight
I have difficulty reading these documents, I couldn't make out half of it just picked out the names as best I could.