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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: Irish Lynn on Wednesday 08 June 16 19:58 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I am researching my paternal Great, Great, Great grandparents Thomas Boyd and his wife Leticia and their families. One of their daughters, Margaret Ann Boyd is my Great x2 grandmother. There was also a Thomas Boyd Junior, Jane Boyd and I believe a Nancy Boyd that immigrated to New York in about 1839 or 1840. There may have been another son (Hugh)? Thomas Boyd senior was born in about 1785 according to his death records and his wife Leticia born in about 1786, Both are buried in New York (Brooklyn), but we're married and born in Northern Ireland. Any information much appreciated! Irish Lynn
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Thomas Boyd b~1785 ireland d in New York (Brooklyn), m Leticia Wallace b~1786 ireland d in New York (Brooklyn),
how do you know they were born and married in the north of Ireland?
children location of birth unknown, and in no particular order
Margaret Ann Boyd your Great x2 grandmother.no dates ?
Thomas Boyd Junior, no dates
Jane Boyd no dates
possible Nancy Boyd that immigrated to New York in about 1839 or 1840
possible (Hugh)?
Unless your names turn up in some existing family tree the lack of irish records means its going to be a very difficult search in which many give up unless lucky enough to find a church record etc to get to a church record you need to find a county and then a civil or religious parish.
take a national record for example which in itself excludes most of the population
Flax Growers Of Ireland 1796 gives a hint of which Ulster Counties both names Boyd and Wallace were living
the website to use is for Co Antrim http://www.failteromhat.com/flax/antrim.php and then substitute the next county in that website etc
Co Antrim Yes both
Co Armagh Yes both
Co Cavan Yes But Less
Co Derry Yes both Co Derry used in that website record in other records Co Londonderry
Co Donegal Yes both
Co Down Yes both
Co Fermanagh Yes both But Less
Co Monaghan Yes both Less Wallace
Co Tyrone Yes both
to find somepathway to where they got married, if they married in Ireland, its most likely they came from the same county so one could download all the entries findable in the flax growers lists say ove 250 entries, sort them by county and civil parish you will get matches by civil parish, that’s again most likely if Thomas sr was the son of a Thomas you might find him or a namesake. its finding a possible parish to look up its church records that is the purpose of all this
there are many boyd family trees in existence see ancestry etc
trying to be helpful
good luck
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Many Thanks
I have been a member of Ancestry for 10 years and have found out a lot, but nothing on the Ireland information. My dads side always said Scot Irish, so I assumed Northern Ireland. The order of children and their births are: Tomas Boyd Junior - Born 1820 (based on US census and death records(, Jane Boyd born in 1823, Nancy Boyd born in 1821 and Margaret Ann Boyd born in February of 1827. Both Thomas Boyds were stone cutters or Mason's when they came to USA. I have looked in Family Search .org also without a lot of luck. One New York census from 1855 says they were living there since 1839, I appreciate all your tips!! The burial play they bought was with John Heaney, Andrew Ramsay and John Hogg plus Thomas Boyde Senior. Heaney married Margaret Ann Boyd.
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Hi Lynne
I am related to Thomas Boyd and Leticia Wallace also- sideways!- and I have Thomas Boyd in my tree as a Doctor not a stonemason. Not sure where I foudn that info though.
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Hi Linda,
Just sent you a reply on another thread for Thomas and Leticia Boyd. How are you related? My Thomas and Leticia immigrated in 1839 to NYCity from Northern Irelland. I am fairly sure he was a stone Mason as all of the census refer to that for both Thomas Senior and Junior. Thomas senior died in 1865 and is buried in NYCity in Greenwood Cemetary. His obituary was sent back to the Coleraine Chronicle. I would like to get some details from the families Northern Irish side or even the Scottish side. My dad always said the Boyds in our family were from Scotland, but not sure how far back and where they came from, although i suspect Ayrshire. Thanks for any information! Irish Lynn
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Hi Lynn,
I have traced my Boyds back to John Boyd born in 1740 in Ireland and his wife (who was also his cousin) Margaret Boyd born in 1740 in Lismoyle, Ireland. I know that they go back to Scotland as I got a DNA match with a Boyd in Glasgow..... however, getting records pre 1750 in Ireland is pretty difficult. So they had a son called John Boyd (1785-1865) who married Malsey Gage. They had a son called Andrew Ballyclough Boyd (1800-1861) who married Martha Forgrave (1800-1881), one of their sons Thomas (Ballyclough Collins) Boyd married Margaret Heaney (1842-1900). It was Andrew Boyd's brother John III who married Margaret "Peggy" Blair that was my ancestor. This Boyd was my great-great-grandfather. I cannot work out yet how these connect with Leticia and Thomas but Ancestry says for Thomas (husband of aunt of wife of 1st cousin 4x removed). So off to the side.....
I have filled in quite a bit of my Boyds and of Thomas and Leticia's descendents. If you want to see my tree it is public on Ancestry (McDaid_Irvine family_2020) or if you send me your email I will send you an invite to it.
I was born not far from where the Boyds came from in N.Ireland but had a protestant Dad who was in the British airforce and a catholic Mum so when he left the RAF we had to emigrate- and emigrated to Australia in 1972. I go back home as often as I can in fact was there for a month in Nov 2019 but at that time did not know all this history- even drove through where they came from!!
Anyway good to connect with you. Linda
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Hi again! I am on ancestry as Lynnsennett40 and have a public tree.
My email is *. I would love to get to know another Boyd relative! That name is passed down in may generations of my family!
We can trade all of our knowledge!! Talk soon, Lynn
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Thanks
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Linda Houston- a few corrections:
Martha (Forgrave) Boyd died 28 June 1884 at Ballyclough. Son Thomas married 20 Aug.1852 to Margaret Heaney of Cullycapple (c1828-28 Feb.1886).
There were many marriages between Boyds and Blairs. Most of the old Presbyterian Aghadowey families were related or somehow connected by marriage and it might be that Thomas Boyd was related to the Boyds originally from Lismoyle however I've not been able to work out the connection. Letitia Wallace was possibly from Cullycapple or more likely Mullahinch.
Quite a few of the Boyds ended up in New York City as well as other local people (Archy Gimore with Thomas Boyd in 1855 N.Y. State Census is just one example- he was from Glenkeen near Cullycapple).
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thanks Aghadowey, I have fixed that up....... Linda
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Hi ladies!
Aghadowey, i have always wondered about the Archie Gilmore that lived with Thomas Boyd in 1855 census. Do you know if that is more than just a friend from the same town? Wondered if there was a relations there.
Hope all is well with you! Irish Lynn
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Archibald Gilmore was a son of John Gilmore and Letitia (descendants of Archibald's give her maiden name as Thompson). He married Jane Stuart Gray of Cullycapple.
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Did Archie Gilmore go back to Ireland or stay in NYCity? You mention he married a girl from Cullycapple.
Thanks and any relationship with your family??
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Archibald Gilmore married 1857 in New York, was there until at least 1863 but living in Georgia by 1866 (there in 1872) and by 1880 had moved further south to Florida.
Almost all the Aghadowey Gilmores (Glenkeen, Aghadowey, Lissaghmore, Carnrallagh, Crevolea, etc.) are related somehow.
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There is an Isabella Boyd b1765 married Paul Orr and both lived in Aghadowey Parish near Coleraine. Perhaps part of your family. They had 9 children many of whom came to the US. They are a well documented couple and are the ancestors of some 2500+ descendants. See a book "Orr, Cambell, Mitchell and Shirley families in Ireland and America and More" by Elaine L. Orr
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There is an Isabella Boyd b1765 married Paul Orr and both lived in Aghadowey Parish near Coleraine. Perhaps part of your family. They had 9 children many of whom came to the US. They are a well documented couple and are the ancestors of some 2500+ descendants. See a book "Orr, Cambell, Mitchell and Shirley families in Ireland and America and More" by Elaine L. Orr
Boyd is an extremely common surname in Aghadowey Parish and vacinity. Elaine Orr has done a tremendous amount of work updating the original inaccurate family history and added lots more details.
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My Y haplo is R-U198 Noble Boyd line. I seem to match the Orr Family Paul and Isabelle Orr and think she is a Great Aunt. I also seem to match the defendants of the Gray and Mary Boyd Mcgregor came to NH . Has anyone located the property mentioned in the will on the Orr site for Isabelle Boyd-Orr. If you have any info on this family o please message me . I also have Matches with Rachel Boyd Blair’s decendants . I was suspecting maybe a potential connection to Rev William Boyd but who knows . I understand there where a lot of Boyd’s but the more I research the dna it seems to have a specific connection to these families that are Reverends.
“John Buckles Boyd of Ballymena” , I Y match the decendants but it could be closer to a 16th century common ancestor.
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My Y haplo is R-U198 Noble Boyd line. I seem to match the Orr Family Paul and Isabelle Orr and think she is a Great Aunt. I also seem to match the defendants of the Gray and Mary Boyd Mcgregor came to NH . Has anyone located the property mentioned in the will on the Orr site for Isabelle Boyd-Orr. If you have any info on this family o please message me . I also have Matches with Rachel Boyd Blair’s decendants . I was suspecting maybe a potential connection to Rev William Boyd but who knows . I understand there where a lot of Boyd’s but the more I research the dna it seems to have a specific connection to these families that are Reverends.
“John Buckles Boyd of Ballymena” , I Y match the decendants but it could be closer to a 16th century common ancestor.
Could you explain which property you mean.
You've probably done lots of research on your family already but who are your Boyd ancestors. I have files on Boyds and other local families but need more details to make a connection.
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I have a good Paper trail and dna matches that the paper stops at John Boyd B1795 Virginia Wife: Elizabeth Dungan Born 24 Mar 1798 7Mile Ford , Smyth Co Virginia - John’s birthplace is unknown . One census record for there son said VA The county’s Changed a bit in that part of VA.
They had a Son Andrew Jackson Boyd whom is my Grandfather other children of there’s include . Francis Boyd-Tankersely,
Charles Duncan BoydB 1818, Martha Boyd- Vermillion.? Dr James Harvey Boyd
Andrew Jackson Boyd Married Sarah Arnold . They lived in Russell Co, Va and moved around a bit after . Ther son Robert Cleveland Boyd was my GF. B 1841 VA d: 9 Mar 1924 Caldwell, Texas
He had a brother Napoleon Bonaparte Boyd who was born in Alabama and several other siblings. He married Penelope Lemley. And they had a son . Robert Walter Boyd B 10 May 1872 Robertson Co Tennessee d1962 Austin Co Texas. Married Eliza Lydia Wright. They had a so Walter Willard Boyd my 1st GGF and he has a son Robert Wellington Boyd
My GF. I suspect John’s ancestor may have migrated through Prince George after 1718 but nothing convincing yet .
The dna matches I have grouped are all female names that seem to tie into my Boyd line . Almost if John Boyd 1795 didn’t have any Uncles or if he did they didn’t have big families. They may have came down through the ShenandoayValley through Ny from New England but suspect they came over shortly after the 1718 migration. I have 20 cm matches that point to Isabelle Boyd Orr
And a few lower ones that point to James McGregor , Rachel Blair-Boyd family and Was thinking there is a Gray connection that match the 1718 family close to John Boyd maybe a mother or Grandmother but just a suspicious thought. Somehow these other families from that region tie into my tree as I all my other family’s in my tree are from different geographical locations . I have gone through a lot of names on file from Mike Boyd Historian from Australia and Colin Brooks 1718 Project who runs a Boyd Geneology Group.
I was thinking locating the Property that Isabelle Boyd Orr inherited might help . The one that was Mentioned on the Orr Family Reunion site.
Mike and Colin also mentioned a lot of info in the Blair Family History Book isn’t accurate or proven. I have a connection to the Blair’s as well that seem to tie in somehow. There are a lot of Boyd researchers out there none want to seem to take a YTest.
John Buckles Boyd Family I match on the Y but it could be after the migration to N Ireland where we have a common ancestor. Thanks for your help . I would recommend the Boyd IO group that Colin runs as Mike Boyd Historian is always looking to add more families to his Book and collection and Collin also is a 1718 Researcher . Maybe some collaboration could help all of us and Boyds families searching for there ancestors.
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This was mentioned on the Orrfamilyreunion.com
Site in regards to the location of the Farm..
Paul Orr was the son of Captain Orr and his wife Mary Faeth. Paul's date of birth is unknown. Because his wife was born in 1765, his birth year is assumed to be close to hers. Paul paid taxes in 1823 on a property in the Townland of Rhee, which is in Aghadowey Parish in the County of Londonderry, near Coleraine.
He married Isabella Boyd and operated a grain mill, which would probably have been on the Aghadowey or Macosquin Rivers. He is said to have been ill-tempered, and he and Isabella separated. She had inherited money from her family, and they divided the property. She got the home and its five acres and two cows. "Paul kept the mill on the Reafs. In later years, he sold it and came to America. His history closes here; no one knows what became
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Are you familiar or in contact with the Boyd families mentioned in the “
Mary Semple letters “that are in the Book
“ Blair Family of New England” ?
I wonder if there still around and if any would be willing to do a dna test .
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Mike Boyd Historian has some info on this family I believe . This Boyd Group is very helpful and Mike Has compiled a lot on the Boyd Families and always looking to here from others how they are connected to the Boyd’s. To join the Group go to
Main+subscribe@CLANBOYD-HOB.groups.io
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The 1950s version of the Orr family history had a photo, etc. of the 'Orr family mansion' which was actually Lizard Manor home of the Agent of the Ironmongers' Company. It was actually built AFTER the Orrs left Ireland.
Amongst Mary Semple's letters were descriptions of the 'village of Aghadowey' (no such village), 'a deposit bank' (a mystery since there is no trace of it ever being here), Ballydwitt (Ballydevitt), Sleigh Gallon (Slieve Gullion which is about 30 miles away), Mrs. Lochdale (Lopdell) and other errors.
I know Mike Boyd but you still haven't mentioned what your connection is to the Boyd family.
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My Dads Biological Grandfather is a Boyd.
I found him on ancestry a couple years ago. We where unknown to each other. His father passed at age 30 and don’t have much passed down. Just what I’ve been able to research through record and comparing dna. I have my line traced Back to John Boyd 1795 B:Va Married Elizabeth Dungan Born 7Mile Ford Smyth, VA .
I mentioned some of this line in an earlier reply. The land mentioned on the OrrFamilyReunion.com site is nothing to do with the mansion. I posted that in an earlier reply as well.
As I mentioned R-U198 is my Ydna Haplo. Which is the noble Boyd line. A nephew of the Last Clan Boyd Chief did a Y test and I share a common ancestor with them and many other Boyds with that haplo in the FTDNA Boyd project. It’s a mystery who the father of my 1795 John Boyd is.
The just have this cluster of dna matches that have trees which point to Aghadowey, Coleraine. The decendants of John Buckles Boyd are my 2nd closest Ydna match in the Ftdna Boyd dna project
We share a common ancestor.
Thanks for clarifying the Mary Semple letters. I appreciate it. Rob Matewsky
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For some reason I didn't get notification of reply #17 where you explained your Boyd connection and because the thread continued on another page I asked again about your connection.
Started looking at OH's DNA results for Boyds and discovered something very interesting which I want to explore further. One of the people he matches with the surname Boyd (no guarantee they are related via Boyds of course) has firm matches with known relatives so I can pinpoint where that Boyd match comes in.
I also manage friend's DNA and the above mentioned Boyd connection which also ties into the same family line so will do a bit more searching. However, the dates are far enough back to make it more difficult to find records.
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Sounds good! I figured that. That’s a small screen shot of my tree in the attachment on the last reply. What’s nice is I have my Moms Dna ,Dads Dna and my dads- moms dna so I been able to rule things out by crossmatching . My Dads father is also on ancestry but don’t have access to it yet. He lives on the other side of the country and haven’t been able to make my way over there yet to meet him. He’s 90 and not online much.
Elaine Orr who helps manage the Isabelle Boyd - Paul/ Orr family webpage is a 20cm match of my Dads.I also match a few of others to this line and the other maternal lines I mentioned. I just haven’t found any living Boyd’s who have a paper trail to Aghadowey, Coleraine area to compare with .
The rest of my family is all from different regions that I don’t think crossover at all after comparing.
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Our gedmatch kit numbers
Me Ged qn5080337 ftdna- Boyd Project and U198 project - 893293
Dads
Rob Sr bg4257981
Dads Half sister on the Boyd side
A763275