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Looking for any info on the Stanway Family from Biddulph (My Paternal Grandmother Elizabeth Emily 1875-1915),Photo would be nice!
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Hi
What sort of information are you after to save us duplicating records you already have. Are you after information on others in the family as well as Emily. :-\
Rosie
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May I ask where you found the 1875 birth year from? Using FreeBMD I cannot see a birth registration for Elizabeth or Emily Stanway in 1875, although there is an entry for
EmilyElizabeth in 1874 in the Congleton area (covering Biddulph).
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HI,I have info on her family (Father Abraham Mother Ellen Brown) but not much on Elizabeth Emily,she died after childbirth, just fishing around if anyone knew the family.
Thanks John.
PS lived in Derby in 1915
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Who did she marry & when
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Hi She married my Grandfather Simeon Hitchman 1870-1933
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Is this their marriage ???
June qtr 1915
Hitchman Simeon (spouse Lee)
Lee Elizabeth E (spouse Hitchman)
Derby 7b 156
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If that is the marriage, then Elizabeth Emily must have been married previously to have the surname Lee. :-\
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1901 :-\
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS7X-GQV
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Right, Should of included the Lee part, but was looking for info when she was Stanway.
On my Fathers Birth Cert' it said "Elizabeth Emily Hitchman Lee Formerly Stanway".
That's another Question I can't find her LEE Husband anywhere, so Any thing on him would be good!.
John
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Joel Ball Lee who is named on the christening of Kathleen appears on
1871 census - RG10 / 2881 f30 p4
1881 census - RG11 / 2740 f28 p8
1891 census - RG12 / 2185 f74 p1
In Sept qtr 1893 he possibly married ELIZABETH EMILY S SHERRATT
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There is a Joel B Lee born c 1872 England
residence:
31 March 1901, Algoma, Ontario, Canada
Dowm as Lodger, Married
Immigated 1898
Simeon and Elizabeth Emily are together 1911.
Seems to explain why thet didnt marry til 1915.
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Elizabeth Emily S Sherratt married Joe Lee in Leek - civil marriage so you would have to buy the certificate.
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Perhaps she is Elizabeth Emily Stanway Sherratt ;)
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Possible parents or mother/stepfather to investigate - married long after her birth:
Jane STANWAY married Thomas SHERRATT at St Lawrence, Biddulph, 1893.
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She seems to be definitely the Daug of Abraham/Ellen Stanway as in 1891 she is with her Parents and so is Sister Maria 1872 who is with her as Emily Lee 1901 Census.
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I'm assuming that you have your grandparents' marriage certificate and that it states that both were widowed. 1911 states that Elizabeth Emily Lee had been previously married for 17 years and Simeon for 20 years.
The certificate should also state her original surname, via the information for her father.
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She seems to be definitely the Daug of Abraham/Ellen Stanway as in 1891 she is with her Parents and so is Sister Maria 1872 who is with her as Emily Lee 1901 Census.
Banns were read for Abraham Stanway and Ellen Brown at Biddulph botp on 13, 20, 27 may 1855 and a note to say they married may 28th. On 1851 census, it looks like Abraham is son of Joseph and Sarah
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just found marriage record, confirms 28th May, he was 23, she was 14!, fathers Joseph Stanway (farmer) and Daniel Brown (stonemason) . Abraham's occ was Sand (?) carrier, Ellen's was worker in silk. witnesses Enoch bailey and James Brown
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http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi
has entries that would fit with the births of Sarah (1859), Abraham (1876), Isaac (1878), John (1882) and Enoch (1884).
(A good non-conformist family, I'd guess!)
I can't see any names that match the children born between Sarah and Abraham - but I have no ida how complete these records are :-\
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She seems to be definitely the Daug of Abraham/Ellen Stanway as in 1891 she is with her Parents and so is Sister Maria 1872 who is with her as Emily Lee 1901 Census.
Banns were read for Abraham Stanway and Ellen Brown at Biddulph botp on 13, 20, 27 may 1855 and a note to say they married may 28th. On 1851 census, it looks like Abraham is son of Joseph and Sarah
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just found marriage record, confirms 28th May, he was 23, she was 14!, fathers Joseph Stanway (farmer) and Daniel Brown (stonemason) . Abraham's occ was Sand (?) carrier, Ellen's was worker in silk. witnesses Enoch bailey and James Brown
Elizabeth Emily's father was Abraham and his father was Joseph
There is a baptism record at Biddulph for
Elizabeth Shufflebottom d/o Joseph and Sarah. bapt Aug 13 1854, born 16 Feb 1843. In the surname column is Stanway alias Sheratt. Joseph is a farmer.
So is Joseph illegitimate and has the two surnames, and has an illegitimate child with Sarah Shufflebottam (who he married later??).
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Possibly we need OP to confirm what he already has. We have a variety of surnames - Stanway, Sherratt, Lee and Hitchman, with an option for a number of marriages, plus the forenames of Elizabeth Emily, or the use of just one of them.
Certificates or parish register entries are required to verify authenticity.
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There is a baptism record at Biddulph for
Elizabeth Shufflebottom d/o Joseph and Sarah. bapt Aug 13 1854, born 16 Feb 1843. In the surname column is Stanway alias Sheratt. Joseph is a farmer.
So is Joseph illegitimate and has the two surnames, and has an illegitimate child with Sarah Shufflebottam (who he married later??).
There is a marriage reg in Leek district Q1 1887 for Joseph Stanway Sherratt, one of the two possible brides is Sarah Shufflebotham.
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To trish 1120,
That is interesting about Canada!! Would you tell me where you got that info from,Thank's
John
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Possible parents or mother/stepfather to investigate - married long after her birth:
Jane STANWAY married Thomas SHERRATT at St Lawrence, Biddulph, 1893.
Marriage on 25 Dec 1888. Both single. She was daughter of Samuel Stanway and he was son of Thomas Sherratt. Could be distantly related, but don't think they are part of the immediate family.
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Hi John,
Sorry I should have said where I got this info from;
There is a Joel B Lee born c 1872 England
residence:
31 March 1901, Algoma, Ontario, Canada
Dowm as Lodger, Married
Immigated 1898
Source Familysearch.Org
Trish :)
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Thank's Trish, Will have a look at that, Could explain why he went off the scene!.
I will hold my judgement on him until i find out more.
John
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Me again Trish,Found it!! well done, Never thought of Emigrating.
John
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Hi John
I'm assuming that you have your grandparents' marriage certificate and that it states that both were widowed.
The certificate should also state her original surname, via the information for her father.
Do you have this certificate :-\
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Hi rosie, Yes just bought it from Ancestry(novice).
Simeon Hitchman44yrs=Elizabeth Emily Lee40yrs.
Sim's father was Jesse Bricklayer, Elizabeth's father was Abraham Farmer (both deceased).
1/5/1915 Derby.
John
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Rosie, On my dads Birth Cert' She is Elizabeth Emily Hitchman Lee Formerly Stanway? Why all that info on a Birth Cert'?
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What surname did Abraham have on the marriage cert, was it just Stanway.
A birth certificate should give mothers married name if applicable and her maiden name. If she was not married to Simeon at the time of your fathers birth she was obviously trying to include his surname. Basically in England you can call yourself what you like as long as it is not for fraudulent purposes.
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MARRIAGE;
6 November 1815, Astbury, Cheshire**, England
Joseph SHERRATT to Sarah SHUFFLEBOTHAM
(Familysearch.Org)
1851 in Biddulph we have;
Joseph Stanway, 53, born Biddulph
Sarah Stanway, 53, born Horton
James Stanway, 30
Abraham Stanway, 22
David Stanway, 20
Mary Stanway, 15
Harriet Stanway 13
Elizabeth Stanway, 8
Elijah Mountford , 8
Thomas Holland, 11
1841 Census
Josh Stanway, 25, Grit? Seller
Josh Stanway, 40, Cattlle Dealer
Sarh Stanway, 40
James Stanway, 18
John Stanway, 15
Wm Stanway, 13
ABM Stanway, 10
David Stanway, 6
Mary Stanway, 4
Harriott Stanway, 2
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This could be the Joseph Stanway bapt Biddulph 28 Feb 1798 to Mary Stanway single woman.
How odd there's another Sarah Shufflebottom married a Joseph Sherratt / Stanway a lot later.
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There's a will on the probate index for Joseph Sherratt otherwise Stanway of Biddulph in 1859.
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Rosie, Just Stanway.By the way there is a Stanway Lane in Biddulph!
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Rosie, Simeon married her just prior to the birth and looks like after she died (sad).
Dad never spoke of it
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MARRIAGE;
6 November 1815, Astbury, Cheshire**, England
Joseph SHERRATT to Sarah SHUFFLEBOTHAM
(Familysearch.Org)
1851 in Biddulph we have;
Joseph Stanway, 53, born Biddulph
Sarah Stanway, 53, born Horton
James Stanway, 30
Abraham Stanway, 22
David Stanway, 20
Mary Stanway, 15
Harriet Stanway 13
Elizabeth Stanway, 8
Elijah Mountford , 8
Thomas Holland, 11
1841 Census
Josh Stanway, 25, Grit? Seller
Josh Stanway, 40, Cattlle Dealer
Sarh Stanway, 40
James Stanway, 18
John Stanway, 15
Wm Stanway, 13
ABM Stanway, 10
David Stanway, 6
Mary Stanway, 4
Harriott Stanway, 2
This is confusing!
The Elizabeth age 8 in 1851 looks like the baptism I found a few pages back on this thread, but it implied the couple were not married. Could the 1815 one be Banns and no marriage took place? I have one in my tree where a couple had Banns read but no marriage, lived together as man and wife and had three children, then married much later.
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There is a baptism record at Biddulph for
Elizabeth Shufflebottom d/o Joseph and Sarah. bapt Aug 13 1854, born 16 Feb 1843. In the surname column is Stanway alias Sheratt. Joseph is a farmer.
So is Joseph illegitimate and has the two surnames, and has an illegitimate child with Sarah Shufflebottam (who he married later??).
There is a marriage reg in Leek district Q1 1887 for Joseph Stanway Sherratt, one of the two possible brides is Sarah Shufflebotham.
1887 marriage must be just a coincidence, looks like Joseph who married 1815 died in 1859.
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Hi lizzieL, I have William Stanwayb1726-1800
Joseph1767-1829
Joseph Sherratt? Stanway1858
Abraham Stanway (Elizabeth's Father) 1831-1893.
These are on my tree, what i would like to clear up is Elizabeth Emily, Emily, Elizabeth Stanway 1874-75-77? plus now it looks like Joel Ball Lee "Done a Bunk".
John
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Yes, bit of a tangled web;
If Joel was in Canada after 1898 who is the Father of ;
Philip N Lee 1901, died soon after 1901 Census
Thomas Lancelot Lee 1902
Sidney Hitchman Lee is obvious as to having Samuel Hitchman as his Father.
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Honestly a very confusing Family :P
FreeREG has 3 Baptisms for Shufflebottom, Biddulph
HARRIETT 18 Aug 1839
HANNAH same day
SARAH 16 Apr 1843
Parents JOSIAH Shuttlebotton and Ann STANWAY
Also MARTHA, 9 Apr 1840 to Josias/Ann nee Stanway
1851 he is under Siah Shufflebotham age 21
Marriage;
6 July 1838, Biddulph, Staffordshire
Joseph SHUFFLEBOTTOM, age 31 (1807), Father WILLIAM
Anne STANWAY, age 23, Father JOSEPH
Looks like they interwtwined a lot these Families ;D
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There is another Joseph Stanway in Biddulph in 1841 and 51 abt 3 years older than Joseph Stanway / Sherratt. He is with Tabitha in 1841, there is a marriage in 1830 of Tabitha Bayley widow and Joseph Stanway widow at Horton. Tabitha is buried in Biddulph on 4 Feb 1851. The first marriage for this Joseph could be to Olive Beech in 1815. An Olive Stanway was buried in Biddulph in 1829, her age was 32, so born abt 1797.
And a third Joseph Stanway b Horton abt 1796 living Biddulph in 1861, wife Harriet. Probably the Joseph bach who married Harriet Bayley sp in Horton on Feb 22 1841.
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Hello all,
Now i have a headache Ha ha.
;ooking like Biddulph must of been "Stanway Town!!".
I will now have a lie down in a dark room then i will Collate all the info.
Thank's all.
John.
PS as i said any idea where i can find photos of any of them?
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And there looks like quite a large number of Sherratts as well. Biddulph is quite sizeable, over 19,000 population at last census, 4,769 in 1871 and 5,557 in 1881.
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I think unless you can make contact with any other descendants of these Families who have photos finding any may be impossible.
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Yes your prob' right, Just thought one of them might be on here!
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As a descendent of 'Stanways from Biddulph' my family tree is on Ancestry if you would like to look it up. The tree is named 'Kirsty Keanes family tree.' I hope it is of interest to you.
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Hello Kirsty Keanes just tried to get your tree up but failed, sent you a message,
john
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Sorry you can't access me family tree on Ancestry. It is named Kirsty Keanes. Perhaps you could search Ancestry for my Dad, Arnold Herbert Stanway 1940 - 2004 Stockport. Good luck.